Guild Wars 2

I have three 80’s already, those being a DH, Temp, and DD. I used to play Engie a while ago, really liked him, he was my main for a very long time. Then I quit, came back, leveled up those other three classes/specs, and really want to get back to my roots, the engineer!

I was wondering how we stand in areas such as, fractals/raids/WvW ect? Are there power-based builds that work well, or am I forced to knuckle-under and join in with the condi-craze?

Thanks in advance!

Odokuro.5049:

I have three 80’s already, those being a DH, Temp, and DD. I used to play Engie a while ago, really liked him, he was my main for a very long time. Then I quit, came back, leveled up those other three classes/specs, and really want to get back to my roots, the engineer!

I was wondering how we stand in areas such as, fractals/raids/WvW ect? Are there power-based builds that work well, or am I forced to knuckle-under and join in with the condi-craze?

Thanks in advance!

Fractals/Raids: Yes, we are meta in these. There are power and condi builds for both of these. I use a modified condi build emphasizing the burning, mainly because it’s simpler to apply and follow a rotation, while maintaining good DPS in realistic scenarios.

WvW: Play a different class. We don’t even show up under the meta category of metabattle.

PvP: Scrappertank is about your only option. Everything else leaves you woefully underpowered.

Vagrant.7206:

WvW: Play a different class. We don’t even show up under the meta category of metabattle.

Now this is just false. The reason why Scrapper isn’t under “META” on metabattle, is because the class isn’t really worth taking over other classes in large scale groups (+30)
If your group is running around 20 players, Scrappers provide a ton of utility and support, especially in the highly optimized groups, GvG for example.

Also let’s not forget, zerging isn’t the only option in WvW. Scrappers are currently doing really well in roaming and dueling, AND especially in smallscale combat (around 5-10).

Also please keep in mind that metabattle isn’t dictating what is useful in WvW and what isn’t. The META builds are all large scale zerging builds. If you look at “Great” category, you find 6 roaming builds. Go figure.

Rather than blindly copying builds from internet, maybe you should try and figure out what is effective yourself.

Can’t really say anything about other gamemodes, but after spending over a year playing Scrapper exclusively in HoT, we are still viable and a great asset to any WvW group. Just keep in mind that in large fights Scrapper does fall off somewhat.

Hope this helps.

BloodMoonASURA.3564:

Vagrant.7206:

WvW: Play a different class. We don’t even show up under the meta category of metabattle.

Now this is just false. The reason why Scrapper isn’t under “META” on metabattle, is because the class isn’t really worth taking over other classes in large scale groups (+30)
If your group is running around 20 players, Scrappers provide a ton of utility and support, especially in the highly optimized groups, GvG for example.

Also let’s not forget, zerging isn’t the only option in WvW. Scrappers are currently doing really well in roaming and dueling, AND especially in smallscale combat (around 5-10).

Also please keep in mind that metabattle isn’t dictating what is useful in WvW and what isn’t. The META builds are all large scale zerging builds. If you look at “Great” category, you find 6 roaming builds. Go figure.

Rather than blindly copying builds from internet, maybe you should try and figure out what is effective yourself.

Can’t really say anything about other gamemodes, but after spending over a year playing Scrapper exclusively in HoT, we are still viable and a great asset to any WvW group. Just keep in mind that in large fights Scrapper does fall off somewhat.

Hope this helps.

Thank you, because yes Engi’s can be pretty darn useful in WvW, just not seen as meta as there’s no commonly sought after role where we are the top. That doesn’t mean we can’t meaningfully contribute through various avenues (desiege, condi cleanse, rez/stomp, pick, decent damage and other things like superspeed). Even in large scale we can be very useful and especially in less organized groups where not every party gets the full carry of support roles as we can be pretty self reliant. In the end we’re very viable just underrated because honestly how many good WvW Engi’s are there out there, and how often would another rev/guard be wanted?

As long as you aren’t a zero damage scrapper like we always see, we won’t laugh. We will probably even accept you!

Famine.7915:

As long as you aren’t a zero damage scrapper like we always see, we won’t laugh. We will probably even accept you!

Hey with the way mag runs through people they might as well just use their mops (FT) to clean things up and pick up the bags :b

Really though Engi’s should be right around most Revs in their damage output in my experience.

Jerus.4350:

Famine.7915:

As long as you aren’t a zero damage scrapper like we always see, we won’t laugh. We will probably even accept you!

Hey with the way mag runs through people they might as well just use their mops (FT) to clean things up and pick up the bags :b

Really though Engi’s should be right around most Revs in their damage output in my experience.

I agree. Just, not once have I run into one that I actually have to avoid the hits on my mara teef. :/

Famine.7915:

Jerus.4350:

Famine.7915:

As long as you aren’t a zero damage scrapper like we always see, we won’t laugh. We will probably even accept you!

Hey with the way mag runs through people they might as well just use their mops (FT) to clean things up and pick up the bags :b

Really though Engi’s should be right around most Revs in their damage output in my experience.

I agree. Just, not once have I run into one that I actually have to avoid the hits on my mara teef. :/

Yeah, well normally we’re in a bit more of a support type role with damage being an addition. But, we have condi and power options that can be pretty devastating. I’ll say again though, not that many well versed Engi’s out there, that and we’re just not specialists.

When we use engineers in our group we don’t really use them for support in the traditional sense. We usually have them in rifle and toolkit and build to burst, but mainly to provide opportunity and control over targets.

Famine.7915:

When we use engineers in our group we don’t really use them for support in the traditional sense. We usually have them in rifle and toolkit and build to burst, but mainly to provide opportunity and control over targets.

Small group/roaming groups I assume? If so sounds like a solid idea.

Jerus.4350:

Famine.7915:

When we use engineers in our group we don’t really use them for support in the traditional sense. We usually have them in rifle and toolkit and build to burst, but mainly to provide opportunity and control over targets.

Small group/roaming groups I assume? If so sounds like a solid idea.

Yes, probably should have mentioned, but it is especially useful when looking to create attacks of opportunity in a zerg fight when you’re essentially running a pick group.

Yeah, small group/roaming usually translates well to pick.

Something a friend of mine and I have been talking about is doing a 5 engi pick group and stealthing in dropping double orbital → Thunderclap/Grenade barrage in a centralized location, pretty sure we could take out a few people in a couple seconds without being seen until the first orbital/thunder/barrage hits then invuln/block/evade our way out. Worst case we cause panic and force people to blow cooldowns, best case the zerg pushes in with there being 5 downs already.

Hello there, I picked this up while browsing the engie forums and I used to main engie in PvP (remember the good old pesky condi days).

I’ve also taken a break and I’d really like to either pick-up my existing engie again or just start a new one (Different race mainly).
To focus on WvW (small group/roaming) and PvP.

Would anyone happen to have a decent Roaming build? (I don’t have scrapper fully unlocked yet but you can include it in the build).

The build I run is also condi (way before HoT, inspired by Koroshi i think?) so yeah I’m totally behind on that.

Thanks in advance

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdIQJAqalUUhqrY5Vw+KQ+FLsFlYHNFPB4HWiBwXFmhHAA-T1xCQBH7BB0SlgnY/BAcCBuoyv7pn4gq/kZYAYIARwMzMTjIiIkCYRlVA-w

I was thinking of this for a small group or solo roaming build for WvW.

Odokuro.5049:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdIQJAqalUUhqrY5Vw+KQ+FLsFlYHNFPB4HWiBwXFmhHAA-T1xCQBH7BB0SlgnY/BAcCBuoyv7pn4gq/kZYAYIARwMzMTjIiIkCYRlVA-w

I was thinking of this for a small group or solo roaming build for WvW.

Alright so condition based – that’s a good start since I’m already sort of specced that way.

Any recommendations for non-HoT armor? Dire/Carrion? I’ve yet to level my leatherworking to get vipers on exotic.

I think I’ve seen this before, the Burn Engi – will definitely give it a spin!

thanks kind soul!

Mix Dire/Rabid most likely. Personally I usually bring FT in my condi builds, something to be said for an initial burst that gets 6 stacks of burning from Incendiary Ammo as well as the other skills. 12 stacks total with incendiary powder and just using the pistol rotation in close range.