What is the condi dura limit now?!

What is the condi dura limit now?!

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

I’m confused… Friends told me that the condi dura limit is 100% for a condition, but since the 23. patch it can go beyond that with traits. So i tried this out with going full burn dura:

I’ve got 91% condi duration for burn without traits. Blowtorch (pistol 4#) has a 5sec dura base. It goes up to 9.5 sec with that. Ok. Now I add 50% dura for pistols and I’ve got 14.25 sec. Still everything ok.

But when I add the 33% from inc. powder, the hero panel says 100% condi duration instead of 124%. Yet the tooltip of blowtorch says 16.75 sec, so the tooltip calculates with 124%. But then when I use the skill on a mob, it gets burned for only 15 sec wich would be correct with 100% burn dura.

So … bugs everywhere???

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Posted by: Knox.8962

Knox.8962

Traits like the pistol one increase the base duration of the skills. They aren’t added to the condi duration like normal +duration bonuses, they instead replace the base skill with a version that lasts longer.

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

I know that, but that’s not the problem: The problem is that the hero panel stops the condi cap at 100%, the tooltip however calculates the duration with 124% and says 16.75 sec, the target burns only 15 sec instead of 16.75 sec wich would be correct with the 100% cap, yet friends told me that it should be able to go over 100% with traits (not pistole trait → inc. poweder is what i mean here) wich would be correct with the tooltip wich is somehow wrong again – WAAAAHHHHH is it now buggy or not?!

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Posted by: Knox.8962

Knox.8962

The tooltip doesn’t pay any attention to the condi duration cap. It’ll keep going up forever if you could find a way to stack more duration. Actual inflicted conditions are capped at +100%.

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Posted by: Gaaroth.2567

Gaaroth.2567

Try shot that blowtorch and look at actual duration. I temember chemical rounds to not be accounted in the 100% condi cap but i have to test it again so dont trust me

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

So the tooltip bugs, nothing else – thank you, Knox. Apparently only I’m wasting 24% condi dura atm :< Well, gonna change that then! ^^

Greez

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Posted by: Gaaroth.2567

Gaaroth.2567

Good to know…so i’m gonna switch the runes in the build i’m preparing…mmmm

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

Yea I was running balthazar without nades but with FT, bombs and rocket boots OR flame turret for their toolbelt etc. But with the 100% cap the “normal” condi nade engi with 5x nightmare runes is just better. Well, love the high bleeding ticks too, but sharpnel still seems a bit underwhelming …

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

insanemaniac.2456

shrapnel has always been as strong on a single target as ip when using nades… except its aoe.

ip has been the core of all engi condi builds for forever, and was even core to cele builds, because of how much pressure it puts out.

shrapnel is anything but underwhelming…

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

I’m sorry I forgot to mention that I’m talking about PvE – to prevent any confusion.

I take IP for the burn dura, rather than it’s burn proc every 10 sec. If it was only the fire proc I’d probably stick to MA. Haven’t done the math yet, but 500 single target dps? hehe – cute.

This said, I even think sharpnel is better than IP without burn dura. Would it be the same dps increase I’d definitly stick to the mortar just for the utility it provides, especially with those other garbage elites we have. My main problem with this trait is the duration. It lasts over 20 second and it’s only one stack. So the last couple of procs will be huge overkills. I’d rather like to have 2 stacks for half of the duration.

As for PvP and WvW the cripple proc aswell the alternative elites make this trait way more attractive than traiting mortar. Long lasting bleeding ticks on single trait are also very strong there since they prevent enemies from getting ooc, may block another condi cleanse aswell giving “sight” on targets behind walls.

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