Guild Wars 2

Aristio.2784:

This thread went from why people don’t like Engineers to why Engineer’s don’t like Elementalist.

Think of it more like why Engineers envy Elementalists

(I know my engi does, that’s why I started my ele)

Kodiak.3281:

You wouldn’t swap from Air to Water to Air even if you could.

And the point is that you can’t. The decision is already made for you. The Elementalist cannot freely swap between damage and support as well as the Engineer can. That is the Engineer’s strength.

And rather than being mediated by that flexibility, you even yourself admit that our condition removal skills are so good that they’re better than what anyone would ever need.

Imagine that.

Kodiak.3281:

They need/want your damage, not healing.

Who is they, and why are you speaking for them?

I’ve invested around 300 hours since August playing on my Engineer. Not once have I ever been denied invitation, dismissed from a group, or verbally berated for how I play it in group environments. In PvE. In sPvP. In WvW.

Never. Ever.

I’d continue entertaining this theorycraft conversation with you about how oh-so-much better the Elementalist is at everything the Engineer tries to be, but I know better than to continue wasting my time with this.

I came into this thread asserting that our damage is just fine. It seems that criticism has been for the most part silenced, so I’m going to exit on that note.

You can carry your love-obsession with the Elementalist to your grave for all I care. Enjoy the incoming nerf.

“I’ve invested around 300 hours since August playing on my Engineer. Not once have I ever been denied invitation, dismissed from a group, or verbally berated for how I play it in group environments. In PvE. In sPvP. In WvW.

Never. Ever."

I don’t know if I have been kicked because I am an engineer, but yes I have been kicked as the group is forming plenty of times. More importantly when you take a look at ww.gw2lfg.com you see plenty of LF Guardian/Mesmer/Elementalist or whatever have you, never LF Engineer. Now that is not reflective of the profession, but it is reflective of how a lot of players view our profession.

I’ve never used that website or ever heard of anyone mentioning it until now.

I have also never ever been denied a group as an engineer.

I have been denied admittance as a banner warrior. (one of the reasons I switched)

gw2lfg is nice and all, but hardly representative.

Funnily enough, right after I made that post I joined a FoTM group for lvl 32 and this one guy went “ooo engi!” my response was, you don’t see many around. He asked if I wanted to switch to another character and that there was a reason there wasn’t that many engineers. He ended up leaving with the response that “no guardian, no AE dmg”. We of course found another 5th and went on to clear lvl 32.

I think the profession has some issues, but overall we are no worse or better then most other professions. I feel just fine with my dmg output with a 4 kit build, but it is a very high APM build and grenades are a real pain in the kitten and a pain in my left hand as well. I did a might stacking FT build prior to that and surely it was a much more easy going build, but the dmg output in comparison was rather lack luster. With the 4 kit build I can also heal my allies remove conditions there is much more variety.

With all that said and done a lot of people still view Engineers as a gimped class. They are of course wrong.

I haven’t been denied entry as an eng, but this one fotm group I joined, while a war and a necro was like “meh engineer”, at least the warrior was “ok i’ll give him a chance” and throughout the stage he wasn’t complaining so I guess he’s fine with me. But this necro was so condescending, he blamed our failure during the grawl stage on me, an eng, for lacking dps when I’m already running full knight’s build and grenadier trait (dmg is not outstanding, but not lackluster as well) along with might stacking HGH. I thought its ridiculous because dps means kitten if you can’t survive the mobs/kite/dodge the agony well enough. Not to mention some people in the party have 0 agony so they’re basically 2-agony shot to death. The necro was already complaining taking 5 agony attacks in 2 min, when I just had 3 handed to my face in a row and i was still alive. =/ So infuriating!

I know eng’s can’t do a 10k dmg of a war’s 100b, but I’m pretty happy about my 2k/bomb damage output. I can’t reach the same might-stacking level on a grenadier-spec coz I don’t have runes of altruism yet (or 2/2/2 might duration runes, still thinking which one is better for fractals).

Hey, this thread could be named “why do engineers hate other engineers…”

Don’t forget that engineers have different levels of effectiveness in different portions of the game. Some people are taking experiences in a couple of game areas (positive or negative) and using that to say whether engineers are fine/broken.

Kamahl.3621:

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Oh I agree that Engineers can do great damage as Grenades either as condition or straight physical power. I’m not convinced on the might stacks, however. You list a lot of blast finishers but no fire field. That is unless you’re going FT which we come back to lowering your damage to provide a benefit (that other classes provide and maintain their damage which is kinda the point of this thread). Seems like it’d just be more beneficial to do something like Elixir/Grenade spec and take 409 and HGH and give yourself might and clear conditions that way (since the throws can be used for yourself or AOE as a group).

I’m also 100% with you with the condition part where condition spec is largely terrible. The other day I was in a HOTW group with 2 bleed warriors, condition necro, condition ranger, and me doing bleeds from grenades. It was total condition overkill and most of them were whining at each other cause the stacks were permanently capped at 25. Really it’s a shame because I’d like to play a variety of classes condition spec (Necro S/D, Thief P/D, Mesmer Illusion) but it’s just so lackluster compared to Power/Prec builds in any kind of group play.

Kodiak.3281:

You list a lot of blast finishers but no fire field.

Bomb kit has a blast finisher in Big Ol’ Bomb, and a fire field in Fire Bomb. The typical combo goes: Big Ol’ Bomb -> Fire Bomb -> Rifle Turret/Throw Mine -> Healing Turret -> Shield #4 double tap -> Detonate Healing & Detonate Rifle / Mine. Bang, 12 stacks. At least it was when I was testing, worked great. But until I can do condition damage, it’s merely a “I can do this” instead of “I do this”. Until then I’d rather just juggle all the very hard hitting raw abilities engineer has between his kits.

Sepahbod.4653:

A lot of people still view Engineers as a gimped class. They are of course wrong.

A lot of that is based by what they’re told and not by what they’ve seen. I guess this kind of stuff differs from server to server and what kind of guild you’re in.

penatbater.4710:

I know eng’s can’t do a 10k dmg of a war’s 100b, but I’m pretty happy about my 2k/bomb damage output. I can’t reach the same might-stacking level on a grenadier-spec coz I don’t have runes of altruism yet (or 2/2/2 might duration runes, still thinking which one is better for fractals).

Altruism is popular for the Fury group buff. I think it works better with the Flamethrower than the Grenade Kit, too, as Juggernaut gives such a massive buff to your Might already.

If all you care about is stacking Might, I would do a 2/2/2 split for added duration. Eating peppers for Might on crit helps too.