Guild Wars 2

i played a ele for a long time and i like how he can:

-Deal large amounts of constant aoe dmg
-can deal bleeding or burning if i wish to go condi
-can use fire and water fields and blast them himself multiple times (tho water fields is more important for me)
-can support and keep NPCs alive
-can remove conditions.
-is sought out for in dungeons

could any experienced engineer tell me if a engineers have anything in common with the things i mentioned for the ele?

PS : I know eles can do more than just the things i said here, but the stuff i mentioned here is what i find most fun and amusing when playing a ele. And hopefully i can find these things in a engineer as well.

PPS: I play pve mostly and sometimes WvW (staff ele)

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In WvW a staff ele is much stronger as for zerging,and PvE i believe aswell.Engie rocks in small scale and PvP.Also its trilion times more funn to most ppl than staff ele.

Engies can easier blast their water fields and have acces to smoke via bombs.Might stacking bit harder,than on ele.Engies got more blasts compared to staff ele “if i remmember corectly staff ele got just earth 2 as blast”

Supporting,compared to boon share and healing as staff ele has,is subbar.Well healing turret is one of best heals in game,so that is good,but ele brings also boons.Engie outside elixirs on rather longer CDs or some weird turret trait dont bring many boon share.

Condie cleanse,again can be same,but engie have to sacrifice maybe more,to cleanse his allies so well .“elixir gun5+3,elixir,healing turret” compared to ele,again subpar

Dmg,well,is there anything what can outdmg staff ele? :-)
Condies in here engie is like king of condie spam,think noone can spam them so well as engie.

They have few similar mechanics,but aint similar in gameplay at all.Engies aint being played like staff ele.Also there is ofc more in engie as you mentioned,i just compared the things u asked.

The only problem you`ll get : condi removes. That`s somehow the “natural” weakness of the engineer.
everything else you wanted — you`ll get it as an engineer to, and in terms of conditions, or hybrid dmg the engineer has even some more options than an ele.
Mabe try celestal rifle, or a hybrid with FT EG Tools — those feel not too different from an ele in terms of playstile.

Vukorep.3081:

i played a ele for a long time and i like how he can:

-Deal large amounts of constant aoe dmg
-can deal bleeding or burning if i wish to go condi
-can use fire and water fields and blast them himself multiple times (tho water fields is more important for me)
-can support and keep NPCs alive
-can remove conditions.
-is sought out for in dungeons

could any experienced engineer tell me if a engineers have anything in common with the things i mentioned for the ele?

PS : I know eles can do more than just the things i said here, but the stuff i mentioned here is what i find most fun and amusing when playing a ele. And hopefully i can find these things in a engineer as well.

PPS: I play pve mostly and sometimes WvW (staff ele)

basically described the engi except for condi clear, but we do have some decent condi clear once you learn the rotations and kits. Ele was my main forever, still kinda is, but Engi is prob my fav class nowdayz

Ele has higher damage(not by much but it’s noticeable esp in burst damage) and can do better blasting (including more might).
Engi has better sustained vuln and can stealth.

That about sums up the differences, can do everything you listed though.

Engie got one of highest burst dmg “SD rifle builds”,dunno where from you got ele burst.Especially staff ele burst?!Do they burst some1 at all?Or u mean runing with ice bow?

Burst engies can drop you within 2-3sec.

KaporHabakuk.6219:

Engie got one of highest burst dmg “SD rifle builds”,dunno where from you got ele burst.Especially staff ele burst?!Do they burst some1 at all?Or u mean runing with ice bow?

Burst engies can drop you within 2-3sec.

He said he PVE mostly, in PVE Ele is hands down the best burst. Lava Font -> Staff3(forget name) -> Meteor Shower at max range -> Burning retreat to cause all the showers to drop in a limited area -> Swap Air -> Glyph of Storms -> Ice Bow -> Move forward a little, drop IB4 in same spot as the MS -> Dodge back doing same thing as burning retreat.

Or something like that.

Video for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkcBMePGRuI
IIRC Engi is something like number 3 for the 30s DPS rotations according to the math, probably about the same for burst, it’s far from bad, just not gonna match Ele.

As for PVP, isn’t there an Ele build that even without zerk can drop you in less than a second with scepter? though I’m not going to argue anything in PVP I’m not a fan and I have no problem admitting I’m wrong on anything there

In general – keep this in mind: If you ask: “The [class] can do [something]. Can the engineer do the same?” The answer will always be “Yes, they can, but it’s just harder to do”.

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Yes,you are right,scepter ele can be bursty.I thought we talking about staff ele comparing to whatever engie spec.Also i took burst as dmg within 1-2sec.

Anyway,despite ppl comparing engie and ele a lot,they aint that similar.Also staff ele is very specific weapon-class hardly to be compared to anything anyone else has.

KaporHabakuk.6219:

Engie got one of highest burst dmg “SD rifle builds”,dunno where from you got ele burst.Especially staff ele burst?!Do they burst some1 at all?Or u mean runing with ice bow?

Burst engies can drop you within 2-3sec.

When it comes to burst power, Ele has probably the highest spike damage in the game! Zerker Engis don’t even come close!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

ele>warrior>engi in that order is what the 30 second dps calculated. Condi removal is the engineer’s weaknees. You could get tons of condi removal on a engi but you’ll have to sacrifice damage to do it. Power hydrid is a very common build for engi because of the condi spam and power nade damage. It’s why many people prefer cele rather than pure condi(rabid) or pure power(zerk).

Ele has the highest dps, yet the engi deals definitly more damage than the warrior, even over a longer period of time. The warrior only sees high numbers, the dps however isn’t that overwhelming…

Condi removeal isn’t the engis weakness, it’s the warrior’s. You got healing turret and elixier gun 5# and for others even eg 3#. That’s more than enough.

The op talks mainly about PvE (as he mentioned), but I have to agree that condi removal in pvp is a weakness of the engineer! What I just said is only for pve.

I’ve never had much trouble removing conditions on a warrior. Shouts, warhorn, cleansing ire.

Xyonon.3987:

What I just said is only for pve.

Ele and Engi are the same thing game play wise but for ONE crucial difference.

Ele has the damage.
Engi has the utility.

Ele has more direct damage … eng has condi damage and direct damage in celestial … they bring in different ways damage … but also celestial eng can bring good damage …

Novuake.2691:

Ele and Engi are the same thing game play wise but for ONE crucial difference.

Ele has the damage.
Engi has the utility.

That seems to be irrationally self contradicting. I wouldn’t consider “the damage” and “the utility” as the same thing at all.

coglin.1867:

Novuake.2691:

Ele and Engi are the same thing game play wise but for ONE crucial difference.

Ele has the damage.
Engi has the utility.

That seems to be irrationally self contradicting. I wouldn’t consider “the damage” and “the utility” as the same thing at all.

Uh? Wut?

im somehow shocked that nobody mentioned stability….
you can build, trait and equip against conditions as engineer, pretty easy if you want to.

But no matter what you do, you will always have the worst stability skill in the history of gw2. Thats why nobody even mentioned it. Most people forgot that this skill exist, i dont. Its still be biggest insult anet made to this class and i remember like 4 brutal, buildkilling ubernerfs and the slaughter they did to kit refinement.

Cantrips on the other hand….. i would give my elite for having earth armor and ele can have it two times! To match cantrips an engi would have to slot rocketboots, elixir b and elixir s leaving no room for kits and the cantrips would still be far far better.

Ele can heal and buff way better then engineer, has way better support via fields and finishers and generally alot stronger traits.

The only advantage i see on engineer is the better CC if you build for it and the gameplay. Even if ele is stronger in almost every role right now (even condi builds… jes even with staff.. not funny..) The enginer is the only challenge this game offers.

There’s a reason why Elementalists have stability and Engineers don’t! Meta Elementalists are tanky support and need stability to stand on point and do supporty things like stomp/revive! Engineers should be on the point as little as possible and therefore don’t need stability! Every bunker/bruiser build like Warrior and Guardian have stability while heavy damage dealing classes like Engineer don’t or use other more useful abilities for their build! Be happy that the Engineer is one of the only classes that have a form of stability on an offensive utility, even if it is subpar!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

“But no matter what you do, you will always have the worst stability skill in the history of gw2. " NEIN!

The Mesmer is worse on that front.

I would argue against the Ele having more damage especially in a WvW situation.
If you can shut down an Ele you will stop all damage. They are so focused in any WvW situation.
If you want to try engineer go for it. you will notice you can probably play the role you want. You may not hit as hard in a burst situation, but overall you will do more damage as you will be alive a lot longer.

Engineer can fill multiple roles. The best advice I can give you is look up guides, forums and just try it out. You will learn a lot playing the class. but also you may find that role you have been looking for.

As for PVE you will easily be stacking vulnerability, and doing decent damage. Just remember to play how you want, rather than just that pew pew go zerk or go home. If you want to stand and press 2 engi isn’t for you. You won’t be bored I’ll tell ya that

Novuake.2691:

“But no matter what you do, you will always have the worst stability skill in the history of gw2. " NEIN!

The Mesmer is worse on that front.

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FreekPalmer.2839:

As for PVE you will easily be stacking vulnerability, and doing decent damage. Just remember to play how you want, rather than just that pew pew go zerk or go home. If you want to stand and press 2 engi isn’t for you. You won’t be bored I’ll tell ya that

Aye, cause on engi it’s assassins or go home!

Really though, it is a bit more finger intensive, but still no reason to not go full damage in PVE if you’re capable of handling it.

Rotations are surely much more fun on engi than most professions though:
Grenade Barrage→Flamethrower→Napalm→Healing turret →Detonate →Flame blast → Detonate →Elixer Gun → Acid Bomb/cancel →drop kit→Jump Shot → Blunderbuss →Grenade kit → Shrapnel → Freeze Grenade → Flamethrower → Flame Blast → Detonate → Grenade Kit→ grenades till shrapnel up → Shrapnel → Flamethrower → Flame Blast/detonate → EG → Acid Bomb → Blunderbuss → Grenade kit rotation till freeze grenade is up and start over

That’s about what I do… not perfect rotation but keeping perfect rotation while dodging is still beyond me, this I can pull off and somewhat maintain 9-12 might stacks and a lot of vuln.

Necro and meservices both have worse stability. Also engi has blocks and stun breaks. Necro is an easy to hit class with no stability it’s horribad

I’d take the mantra over engineer stability, myself, and definitely over what the necromancer has. Sure, it can be awkward if you run out of charges and then have to recharge it in combat, but if you can channel out of combat or manage to get attention off you long enough to channel in combat (stealth is good for this, even without PU) it’s four seconds of stability – six traited – every forty seconds or so, and it can be used in separate 2s chunks if needed or used reactively as a stunbreak. It also stabilises your allies, making it almost competitive with the guardian’s SYG!

On topic… Apart from cantrip stability, engineer and elementalist are very similar in capability. The distinction is that the engineer is much more customisable, but any given engineer build is not as versatile as the elementalist. So… an engineer could do all the things you list (blasting water fields requires practised timing, though, since engineer water fields don’t last very long) but you’re probably* not going to get them all on a single build like you might with a staff ele.

*Which is when someone puts together a build that will just to prove me wrong. Healing turret, bomb kit, and elixir gun would probably be a good start. However, Xyonen’s statement would stand here: you can do it, but it’ll be harder to do (you won’t have much room to maneuver in terms of utility skills and it will probably be more difficult to execute the combos)

I always wondered why ppl compare those 2 so much and claim they similar.I play both regulary,and they are like day and night in playing.Thou am not a staff ele fan.Guess its those no swap weps and limitation to 2 sigils thingies which binds em together in eyes of many.

KaporHabakuk.6219:

Guess its those no swap weps and limitation to 2 sigils thingies which binds em together in eyes of many.

Each class is played for different reasons. Elementalists offer might and fury stacking while engineers offer might and vulnerability stacking. Elementalists are good at projectile blocks while engineers are good at crowd control.

But kits and attunements are played very similarly. You have your rotation where you swap between them and then sit in the strongest auto-attack of the bunch until your skills come off cooldown to rotate again.

They’re actually, in my experience, played very similarly … and both are quite unlike any other profession in the game. They’re alone together in their complexity.