Guild Wars 2

Is it time for pistol pistol engi to come back ? ( i played in all season 3 and it was not bad at all ) . Do you see a space for “AED” now ? maybe a power build with aed , throw mine and gadgeteer ? One good thing for me is that now we will not be forced to take alchemy + invention … so something like scrapper ,alchemy tools will be fun . The only real problem is that we are bound to alchemy for condition removal … we have not great alternatives without it …

Also where is the reflect and block when using pistol pistol… They increased the skills a bit but it has no defence. Pointless really.

if u take tools and power wrench block every 13.5 secs is quite strong … add elixir S to the build and it seems to me not bad.

I have been pulling at this thread for a while now and am glad to see that it has finally come to fruition. The change to AED was much needed, although I think with competent players we might see a slight increase on the cd to 35s due to the combination of gadgeteer overcharging it to a 33% uptime “you can’t attack me” button. I already developed a prototype a while back that would look something like this. This would need some minor tweaking here and there, but prove fun and challenging overall despite some of the overly dramatic nerfs to hammer.

try this, it is a very common build. The real problem only is to fight necros and condi warrior but it is quite fun ( it is not mine ) . It is not strong as power hammer , ok , but it works quite well if you play smart ( don’t go 1 vs 1 when you know you can not win ) . Obviously with pistols you need toolkit and power wrench .. it is quite mandatory .
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqalUUhatYJXw+KQ+FLsFlYHNFPxYbMG/I4HWiBAA-TJRHABAcCAqY/hgfAAJVGAA

PierPiero.9142:

if u take tools and power wrench block every 13.5 secs is quite strong … add elixir S to the build and it seems to me not bad.

Elixir S seems counterproductive to AED as the two could interfere with each other. Unless you have an unnatural sense of prediction, S could trigger after you pop AED in extended fights and cost you dearly. AED needs that pseudo-death trigger in order to cleanse.

Mnemesis.8257:

I have been pulling at this thread for a while now and am glad to see that it has finally come to fruition. The change to AED was much needed, although I think with competent players we might see a slight increase on the cd to 35s due to the combination of gadgeteer overcharging it to a 33% uptime “you can’t attack me” button. I already developed a prototype a while back that would look something like this. This would need some minor tweaking here and there, but prove fun and challenging overall despite some of the overly dramatic nerfs to hammer.

I had a different approch but the idea is the same, take tools and a gadget for avoiding to take alchemy and invention. This is the build i tried yesterday and it seemed to me to work quite well :
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQJAqanUIC1ahlcB+dBEqiF2iC8DLxAYsNGjajO4L+kH-TJRAwAx2fgzJAAwDAocZAA
AED toolbet + Expert examination + rocket kick is an awesome combo . This build has really a good condition burst (from burning ) and you can cover burning with a lot of condition to remove .

Mnemesis.8257:

Elixir S seems counterproductive to AED as the two could interfere with each other. Unless you have an unnatural sense of prediction, S could trigger after you pop AED in extended fights and cost you dearly. AED needs that pseudo-death trigger in order to cleanse.

You do realize there is an actual skill, and not a trait, called Elixer S where you get to choose when it activates ya?

Ghotistyx.6942:

Mnemesis.8257:

Elixir S seems counterproductive to AED as the two could interfere with each other. Unless you have an unnatural sense of prediction, S could trigger after you pop AED in extended fights and cost you dearly. AED needs that pseudo-death trigger in order to cleanse.

You do realize there is an actual skill, and not a trait, called Elixer S where you get to choose when it activates ya?

He probably referred to the trait that procs elixir S. I think that with A.E.D. now you can try to play without alchemy at all ( try , i am not saying it will be new meta but for sure it is fun )

I have been playing a shotgun-flamethrower build with scrapper, tools and firearms for the last 5 months, simply because the hammer bores me. It was nowhere near meta, but fun. Now it may be a little better if I lear how to use gadgets. Meh.

Ardid.7203:

I have been playing a shotgun-flamethrower build with scrapper, tools and firearms for the last 5 months, simply because the hammer bores me. It was nowhere near meta, but fun. Now it may be a little better if I lear how to use gadgets. Meh.

If you play your build taking gadgeteer , aed and rocket boots you can make really good damage and in the same time it is quite viable.

Problem is I’m too used to healing turret… XD

Ardid.7203:

Problem is I’m too used to healing turret… XD

it is not a problem, it is an opportunity to play with a different playstyle

are nonelite specs viable again or are the nerfs to elites not enough yet

insanemaniac.2456:

are nonelite specs viable again or are the nerfs to elites not enough yet

Hard to answer. Notelite specs are harder to play . Power engi not Scrapper is unviable. Condition Engineer not hot is viable. It is much harder than scrapper, you have to chose which fight you can win and which fight you can not win ( warrior condi and necro are hard ) but it is not unviable . I used Chaith condition build ( rabid, balthazar, firearms, tools , alchemy with ft, toolkit ,elixir S , elixir X) and i arrived diamond quite fast. Obviously it is not good for high level pvp , but if u play for fun it is viable .

yeah i got to diamond fast too because its easy when all the good players vacate the lower divisions and the few stragglers all get grouped together every game for free win streaks

Power engi unviable in pvp?? if you say..

… 3x legend div. Soloq SD power engi..

David.5974:

Power engi unviable in pvp?? if you say..

… 3x legend div. Soloq SD power engi..

without hammer ? i find really more difficult engineer power ( not scrapper ) rather than condi , not for a particular problem but for the projectil hate that is present in this game … i think that rifle need a buff , pistols now are ok … shield … is really trash for the ethernal cd

Condi engi is still trash and will always be trash until we have a reliable method of applying condis while maintaining the same kind of defensive power that other classes have.

And so my HOPES are still useless so the game will remain uninstalled.

Also AED is still garbage. Not taking alchemy for pvp is suicide.

The only way to bring back condi engi/scrapper is reduce shield CDs to make them similar to other profesion blocks/reflects.

Warrior block 30s (24s if traited)
Mesmer block 30s (24 if traited)
Scrapper Hammer block 20s, reflect 6s
Engi Shield block 40s (32 if traited), reflect 30s (24 if traited)

That CD are too bigs in comparision with other similar skills. So, till that issue is solved, condi engi will not be reliable in Pvp or WvW (it could be playable against some profesion but not enough consistent)

ApaWanka.2698:

The only way to bring back condi engi/scrapper is reduce shield CDs to make them similar to other profesion blocks/reflects.

Warrior block 30s (24s if traited)
Mesmer block 30s (24 if traited)
Scrapper Hammer block 20s, reflect 6s
Engi Shield block 40s (32 if traited), reflect 30s (24 if traited)

That CD are too bigs in comparision with other similar skills. So, till that issue is solved, condi engi will not be reliable in Pvp or WvW (it could be playable against some profesion but not enough consistent)

Dont forget also duration of “blocks”, specially shield 5 is supper short.

Beside its not just shield that is the problem here. If you take shield your weapon will do ZERO dmg. And you will have to compensate with utility spells and lots of traits. The good thing about hammer is you get similar defensive options (better?) and huge damage on its own, that you dont have to put any traits into it. Meaning you can put all traits/spells mostly to utility and survival.
And for shield condi engi to do semi decent dmg you need at least 2 damage traitlines and 1 damage utility spell.