Guild Wars 2

why isnt this kit good? im using full celestial right now and it seems to do alot of damage and has a stomp secure also. the tool belt skill hits for 1.5k for 3 shots so if they fully tick its 4.5k im really new to engi i have had one but this is the last of my 8 chars i lvled to80

Are you asking from a PvE, WvW, or SPvP perspective?

I feel the kit is good. I use it from time to time, but I favor the bomb kit on a personal level. The discussion varies depending on what game mode aspect we are discussing it in.

wvw/ pvp i usualy roam but im using it in pvp right now

should i use fulll condi or ceslstials?

For PVP/WvW… Retailiation is the answer you’re looking for. FT’s 1 skill is multiple hits, each hit causing retaliation damage will have you killing yourself. This is especially true against multiple opponents in WvW.

PVE… it’s not bad, just not optimal, though using it as a swap for flame blast/napalm/toolbelt skill is great, it’s just not a main kit in an optimal setting.

hmm okay well hb this build for roaming http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAElsTpPrdextLS8LmR9DIfPARffMh8p1B-TFCBABccBAwS5QaKB9SJHAPAgi2fIPdAZq+DA-w

Gets you killed by retaliation, but it is a pretty decent kit these days. Used to be a piece of kitten back in the day.

It does have some sweet abilities:

—The insta-cast blind is great for stomps.

—The knock-back blows back projectiles and extends burn duration.

Still has some annoying issues:

— Auto shoots into the ground if you target someone close-by.

— #2 shoots into the ground and disappears almost all the time. It should at least explode when it hits terrain.

FT isn’t a good main weapon for condition builds in PvP because the burning it gives outside of its toolbelt skill is applied at the end of its autoattack channel. It’s much better in power or hybrid builds, though, due to how good flame blast is. The reason it doesn’t see use isn’t because it’s a bad kit, but rather because we simply have better options. Grenade kit is just too good to give up for hybrid builds. That leaves FT as a secondary weapon to be switched into for CC/burst, and it’s certainly good at this. You can be very successful running celestial with nade/toolkit/FT. The question of why it isn’t often used, though, again comes to there being superior options available. In this case, Slick Shoes. SS is just too powerful to be missed, as it has very high synergy with rifle/celestial play. I think we’d see quite a bit more use of FT in hybrid builds if SS got nerfed a bit.

It pretty much fullfills the same role as the rifle with more condi pressure but less CC.

Its not a bad kit, just not AS good currently as some of the others because of the above statement.

Something to note, if you have a sort of niche build that uses low cooldown sigils with good on crit effect its a REALLY good kit.

Another drawback of the kit is that its EXTREMELY bad when attacking target with retaliation since its auto is 10 ticks of damage.

As mentioned its best in a power based build, not cele.

EDIT : its useful on a decap engi in PvP though, you can almost constantly CC them away. But decap engi’s arn’t great for higher levels of play.

Sins.4782:

nade/toolkit/FT. The question of why it isn’t often used, though, again comes to there being superior options available. In this case, Slick Shoes. SS is just too powerful to be missed, as it has very high synergy with rifle/celestial play. I think we’d see quite a bit more use of FT in hybrid builds if SS got nerfed a bit.

specifically on this combo:

the main issue with those 3 utilities is they have neither a stunbreak nor a disengage. the defense mechanisms are predictive and nonmobile, meaning you dont have an opportunity to react to an opponent (only predict) and you cant make use of your huuuuuge surroundings in wvw. your assessment of slicky in place of 1 kit is correct, but you can also use rocket boots, elixir s, or eg to similar effect. we dont see ft more often because tk offers sooooo much utility and excellent defense that ft just cant compete with, we need either nades or bombs for damage, and we have to have some kind of oh kitten button. at present ft just doesnt fit those roles well enough and can even be a liability vs retal.

what ft can do better than most other things is provide sustained party damage thru might, and it offers a safe stomp (5) and a rez break (3). those 2 things are… well… theyre both things a support guard would do, but a support guard also brings a holy grail: stability. so ft is best suited to being a supporty kit atm, but engi support is severely kitten without either the boons a guard offers or the massive heals an ele can put out.

so its most.. synergistic… use is prolly something like a complement to healy bombs. but thats a group build, not particularly a roaming build, but can be scaled down to havoc.

Flamethrower is bad for your main kit because it does poopy damage! Even if you are full zerk with 25 might stacks, Flame Jet does terrible damage and cone shaped attacks are very buggy! They’ll often miss even if you see the cone hit your target! You will always be able to do more damage with Grenades/Bombs! Also FT traits are bad! The damage boost trait is in Alchemy where there are MUCH better traits to take! Vigor, Prot Injection, Backpack Regen! Other FT traits are in the Firearms tree where investing over 2 points is usually very bad because it takes away from other, more important trees like Explosives or Tools or Alchemy!

But if you want to use it as a support kit, it’s an ok choice! Have something like Grenades be the focus of your build with FT for the decent burst, knockback, and toolbelt!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

PS: Also retal!

Mystogan.4157:

why isnt this kit good? im using full celestial right now and it seems to do alot of damage and has a stomp secure also. the tool belt skill hits for 1.5k for 3 shots so if they fully tick its 4.5k im really new to engi i have had one but this is the last of my 8 chars i lvled to80

It looks like lot of damage but actualy its not compare to bombs or nades.

Alright well thanks for the insight despite all of the cons i feel ot fits me in a hybrid pretty well. I jst need some help with teh build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAElsTpPr1axtrRuLoR1EQ3vHEARXwf8CA-T1BBABA8AAwZ/BPuAAmp8LPdAOqEkU1fAA-w

1. How good is invigorating speed with speedy kits?
2. Runes? I like flame legion obviously cause the 7% dmg and power. But what about hoelbrak or str? Not sure which would be best. With hoelbrak thatd be -55% condi dur.
3 sigils? I have no clue i felt acc is a staple to reach the 50% crit
4. Other two utilities?

• Invigorating Speed is amazing with Speedy Kits! There isn’t a single viable PvP/WvW build that doesn’t have some kind of endurance replenishment!
• Full Celestial isn’t that great! The best part about WvW is you can mix and match different stats! Plus the armor takes forever to craft!
• You’ll want Hoelbrak or Strength Runes to stack more might! Notice your two offensive stats are both subpar! Might stacking is very important for cele builds! Unfortunately these runes are very expensive so Flame Legion could work in the meantime!
• You are taking Juggernaut without Flamethrower Kit! Waste!
• The Firearms tree is really poopy! It’s the 2nd worst tree the Engineer has in Vee Wee’s opinion for WvW and PvP!
• Automated Response is a pretty terrible trait!
• Utility Goggles isn’t the best stunbreaker you can take and is pretty bad outside of a Static Discharge build! Try Elixir Gun for mobility/stunbreak/extra condi clear, Tool Kit for a huge survivability boon and combo setups (Tool Kit + Rifle is awesome), or Rocket Boots for super mobility and you can stealth leap away with Smoke Bomb! Elixir S can be useful too but Vee Wee doesn’t think it’s as good in WvW as it is in PvP!
• As a hybrid build, you should have decent condi damage, but you have no condi duration! You’ll need that since many people run Hoelbrak/Melandru and/or -33% movement impair duration, and/or -condi duration food! The Explosives trait line grants up to 30% condi duration, gives extra power, and really beefs up your Bomb Kit!
• There are better sigils to take than Accuracy!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Yea i meant to put ft in my utl instead of bomb i fixed it im thinking elixer and tool kit? How does tool kit give survivability boons? ~new to engi~ Also i wanted automated for condi cause i have very little cleanse and for the firearms its kinda essential for might more rifle damage more condi damage and more crit no? I dont see anywhere else i could get benifits like firearms while running a ft/rifle build lol

with tool kit skill 2 you will place caltrops around you that cripple and bleed foes.
with tool kit skill 4 you have a 3 second block.

those are pretty huge when in a situation where you need to defend yourself

Well for a hybrid build, you can go 20 into the Explosives line for Incendiary Powder! It’s one of the strongest traits the Engineer has! The Flamethrower doesn’t actually have a lot of burning! You get a lot of burst burn from Incendiary Ammo but it has a long cooldown! Sustained burning will improve your damage by a lot! Plus it gives you extra power and condition duration which coupled with food buffs, will improve your Incendiary Powder burn time to 6 seconds!

Automated Response doesn’t really help against conditions! First it doesn’t apply to existing conditions, and like you said the Engineer doesn’t have many forms of condi clear! So even if conditions get applied to you while it’s active, the duration decrease won’t really help much because you won’t be able to cleanse it! Plus condi classes will run lots of condi duration so it all just cancels out anyway!

Tool Kit has Gear Shield, one of the best blocking skills in the game! You can also combo Magnet > Prybar > Overcharge Shot > Throw Wrench > Net Shot > Bunderbuss > Air Blast > Flame Blast for loads of undodgeable damage if you land your Magnet!

Maybe something like this!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAUlUUpdrlcxWLseRCbBNqxAyJcBRuxq8xIEAA-T1RHABF8AAaS5Hc6AAU9n6UCCwFAgk9HIFAMDjA-w

Doom Sigil is great because unfortunately you won’t be dealing a lot of damage which is just the price you pay for playing FT as your main kit! Lots of people run very tanky, sustain regen builds and Doom will lower that by 1/3! Also it can be used as a cover condition so they don’t cleanse your burns! You’ll want to keep your burns on because you’re a hybrid build and with this setup, burning is your only real damaging condition!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Waaait how does enhanced performance interact with the heal kit? Do you get might for every heal if you use when the icd is off? And thanks ill test out using egun and wrench im torn between the two and im torn between incendiary and enhanced

Enhanced Performance isn’t necessary because you have so much might already from Battle Sigil and Juggernaut and Hoelbrak Runes! You’ll have over 20 stacks of might from those alone plus your Napalm fire field and Elixir Gun Acid Bomb blast finisher! You should also definitely use both EG and TK! The combos are real!

But yeah Enhance Performance will grant you 3 stacks of might every time you swap to Med Kit with a 10 second cooldown! Unfortunately Med Kit is absolute balls!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

The tool belt alone with med kit heals 4.9k every 18 secs x_x not to mention the extra perm swift while roaming lol and what are the small bags? It says 40 sec duration? Also thanks for helping out. I have decided to go with this. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQFAElsTpWrlcxdLSYLoRNGQOhLIyNWlP+wAA-TlSHABEpEZQVCUUVlCeAANp8CMdAAqGBAXAAS2fIPlgkCAmpRA-w

Thing about medkit is yeah you could trait it for might, it does have the bags, but… Turret can be used to blast a fire field for 20s of 3 stacks of might. It can be used to create a water field which you can blast with detonate as well as the other blasts/leaps we have for even more healing. In the end Turret is just too kitten good to not use.

Healing turret is always a better bet than any other healing skills, besides if you’re going to use a specific build like hgh(elixir) or one with a lot of healing skill activations(kit refinement, enhance performance, runes, food etc…).
HT brings 2 water fields, condi removal, dmg+interrupt if traited, it’s just better in many ways, mainly in a www perspective :P

The association flamethrower+juggernaut is immediate because of the might stacking, but if so, engi can easily do that without FT+Jugger.
Than you need to stay in flamethrower and you don’t want for many reasons in www, but it’s not a bad kit:
- a combo net shot+flameblast(and detonation) has a good burst;
- incendiary ammo gives you access to burning, so you can skip incendiary powder;
- blind stomp;
- long duration fire field;
- interrupt, that can combo with synaptic overload followed by a sustained damage from hip shot or used for a fast stomp (hard to do but not impossible, synaptic overload needs an icon for when ready to trigger).

I think FT can perform better with a more power oriented gear like showed above.

This is a short encounter I got using 3kit FT,EG,TK time ago, I hope can show you all the things I listed above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iWgidvj_xco#t=861

dang thanks i was looking for a 3 kit on youtube. as for turret i am jsta noob atm with engi and haent learned to use him correctly. what is the delay for the combo?if you reactivate you heal there is a short delay correct? and the tool belt skill is instant?

Mystogan.4157:

dang thanks i was looking for a 3 kit on youtube. as for turret i am jsta noob atm with engi and haent learned to use him correctly. what is the delay for the combo?if you reactivate you heal there is a short delay correct? and the tool belt skill is instant?

exactly

for beginners, when u r at low health, double tap ur heal instantly, dont detonate right away:

u first get 2-3k hp, when putting down turret, ofc u double tapped, now u gotta wait 1-2 s, then u get another 2-3 k hp, now u detonate, so after the 2nd healproc, if u pay attention

the water field duration is 2-3 seconds on turret, and 1 s on tool belt

U mean 1 sec field when not deployed or 1 sec activate time to destroy for blast healing. I might switch between the two see how i feel. O see the blasting can be very useful but so can the swift and insta 5k on tool belt with 18 sec cd. I guess it depends on how well i can blast fields

When i use the turret, i forget to destroy it and like 30 secs later in another fight its still deployed somewhere else on the map haha

The best way to use healing turret is to place > overcharge immediately > then either pick it up for a shorter cooldown, or detonate it to blast your water field for a bigger heal! Healing Turret is waaaay better than Med Kit! Healing Turret is easily the best heal the Engineer has and one of the best heals in the game!

You don’t need the swiftness from Med Kit! You already have permanent swiftness with Speedy Kits! Choosing Med Kit over Healing Turret just gimps your healing output and your condition removal!

The Healing Turret toolbelt helps with sustain when combined with Backpack Regenerator and the small healing power boost that comes with celestial gear! You can also use it and immediately use Acid Bomb for a disengage that heals you!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Haha thanks man. Does accelerated packed turret or whatever its called affect the detonation or is it only when enemies kill the turret

It affects both! It also affects the turrets in Supply Crate!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

This is probably going to get deleted but I need to say it.

WHY IN KITTENS NAME DO YOU TYPE IN TEXT SHORTTYPE ON A FORUM!

R U THT LAZY?

Kitten kitten KITTEN!

Novuake.2691:

This is probably going to get deleted but I need to say it.

WHY IN KITTENS NAME DO YOU TYPE IN TEXT SHORTTYPE ON A FORUM!

R U THT LAZY?

Kitten kitten KITTEN!

Cellphone at wrk= shorthand txt/ 1 handed txting.

Still not acceptable IMO but okay…

Novuake.2691:

Still not acceptable IMO but okay…

I agree. I tend to ignore tween style, text speak post. I have posted a few times from work, on my phone as well, but I type out the actual words. Nothing against the poster, but my feelings are that if a poster doesn’t take what they are saying serious enough to type it like an mature individual, then no one else needs to be take what they post seriously either. Again, not picking on the OP specifically, just how I see it in general, but in this case it is applicable to mention.

What the heck is tween style?

why answer to a post if it gets on your nerves. jst keep it to yourself. you really have the time to be that nit picky? im not going to stop the way i type at work just to make you happy. sry go be mean somewhere else. and thanks ArrDee for the help im done here these people are devolving the original intent of my post. feel free to close this thread. pce

Jerus.4350:

What the heck is tween style?

as in OMG y u gotta b liek dat

Jerus.4350:

What the heck is tween style?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tween

Tween (demographic), people between ages 11 and 12

Mystogan.4157:

why answer to a post if it gets on your nerves. jst keep it to yourself. you really have the time to be that nit picky? im not going to stop the way i type at work just to make you happy. sry go be mean somewhere else. and thanks ArrDee for the help im done here these people are devolving the original intent of my post. feel free to close this thread. pce

I wouldn’t call it “being nitpicky” when it is in a violation of the Forums Code of Conduct.

- Use a relevant thread title that clearly expresses the subject of the thread.

- The official language of this forum is English. Please post and respond in that language only.

- Do not post in all capital letters; do not use “leetspeek,” excessive punctuation, colored text, alternating lower case and capital letters, etc. Please refrain from these and other similar attention-seeking tactics to draw attention to your post. Let your post stand on its own merits.

Source:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/forum-code-of-conduct/

dancingmonkey.4902:

Jerus.4350:

What the heck is tween style?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tween

Tween (demographic), people between ages 11 and 12

So what use to be termed a pre-teen? ok I guess. I’ve heard it just never really knew what the heck it meant.

Jerus.4350:

Jerus.4350:

What the heck is tween style?

as in OMG y u gotta b liek dat

… It’s sad but I have a lot of friends who message like that in their mid to late 20’s. I remember chatting on AIM while typing a paper for school one time and while I was typing the paper catching myself using ‘u’ and ‘r’… well I gave up on using that style of short hand right then.