how do i beat dire thieves?? xD

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Posted by: Bella Kim.4061

Bella Kim.4061

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hi !!! xD
i play engineer these days and i switch between knight build and dire build
when encounter dire thieves i have never won a fight in 1 v 1 situation
i am not a novice and i beat berserker thieves 6 out of 10 times in 1 v 1 situation
but when i encouter dire thieves 1 on 1
they just apply condition and then stealth and wait for condition to tick
apply condition and then stealth and wait for condition to tick
apply condition and then stealth and wait for condition to tick
when i bring down their health to 25%
they would stealth and run away and come back with full health
some how i dont get the out of combat effect but they get full health
they repeat this and i die running out of all my condition removals
when i try to run away i still die because they have better mobility
it makes me feels like its impossible to survive from dire thieves
please tell me how i can survive from dire thieves !!!!!!!!! xD

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

oxtred.7658

Dire P/D SA is a 1v1 spec, a good player can’t ( really, he can’t, that’s 100% impossible) die. But in WwW, where good players are rare, there’s a chance to win. You’re still starting at an inadvantage. First, know your ennemy: P/D rely on good bleed application with torment via #3 and depending on specs, venom burst. I’ll list a non exhaustive lists of counter actions:
-If the thief blows his venoms, he’ll play agressive. Use shield 5, tooolkit 4 or any defense you have to make him waste his steal/ CnD/ 1 combo, that’s about 80% of their initial burst and they lost 5 ini along with the mighty steal.
-Use blinds. In melee range, they’ll try to CnD ( Cloak and dagger, the 3 sec stealth ability) on you, and blinding them will prevent the stealth, so that’s a deny of their condi removal, regen, and own blinds.
-if they are in stealth and about to attack, use shield 4. Yeah, their sneak attack is reflectable.
-Make them waste important cooldowns before putting a lot of pressure. IF shadowstep is on cooldown, supply crate right away, and deliver the burst.
-If they use a shadow refuge and you can’t move them out in time, they’ll most likely reset the fight. Take some time to regain your health, and find an LOS spot to force them into melee. If you have a way to check where they are ( strenght sigil proc, etc), spam some non lethal auto attack.
-Use area denial. IT’s the strenght of engis. They want to come melee? Sure, but they’ll eat a crap ton of aoes first. Just doing that will help you; it’s not because an ability didn’t connect that it wasn’t useful.
-their condi removal come from stealth, don’t let them stealh on mobs or such.

Hope this helps.

If you’re on EU and need help to get into dungeons, pm me.

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Posted by: vincecontix.1264

vincecontix.1264

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=63aLufLoOQY like this. I am running celestial rifle build which is not even the most optimal set up. If you want to increase your chances go full condi/perplex PS engi.

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Posted by: Shaogin.2679

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Awesome video there.

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Posted by: Elmo Benchwarmer.3025

Elmo Benchwarmer.3025

You go buy one of these: Stealth Disruptor Trap .

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

Dire P/D SA is a 1v1 spec, a good player can’t ( really, he can’t, that’s 100% impossible) die. But in WwW, where good players are rare, there’s a chance to win.

To be totally honest. You really should not project your own limitations as a player on to others. Particularly in the context of someone asking for help. The rest of your post is useful. This portion though, is simply irrational. Simply because you cannot defeat a good player using that build, by no means, definitively condemns the rest of us to such a problem. Your claim is counter productive to helping the OP.

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

oxtred.7658

I’ve no personal problems with D/P. But that’s because there’s no good condi thieves where I am. The goal of the spec, just like PU mesmers, is to live and spam stealth to gain health. IF a D/P thief doesn’t want to die, he will reset easily, especially in www where you can stealth out of ambients. You can’t burst them from 100% to 0% either: dire makes them tanky. Having access to a stunbreak wich also makes distance, they can’t, objectively, die. They may not be able to kill you either because they are too busy fleeing and stealthing, but no, a good P/D player can’t die in 1v1. Now thankfully good P/D players as rare.

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

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