Guild Wars 2

Hello.
During my combat experience in WvW (i don’t make anymore sPvP but i done it till rank 30) i have no trouble with any kind of class exception done for mesmer and elementalist.
I don’t know how someone can consider some kind of combat balanced.
Let’s take this “king” : the elementalist , with his D/D build , played by a “decent” guy , not even a skilled one.
I don’t know how you guys as engineer deal with this class , but is really obscene in my opinion to see a light armor able to have permaboons , be more tankish than a guardian , regenerete healt at impressive rate , deal incredible ammount of direct damage and condition damage , have some immunity skill , have the best mobility skills , and be able to afford a combat vs more enemy like if is just drinking some water.
This have nothing to do with our class…this is a general balance issue…and it’s not a “little” issue , because with mesmer and thief , the D/D elementalist is another of the spammed classes in WvW.
Tested all set , from the most tankish with pistol and shield to the immobilize rifle and net turret to deny elementalist their mobility….all invane , they remove conditions even better than our 409 formula , ride the light miles away regen and come back in few istant to take you.

Mesmer : with this class i don’t even try to think a strategy after 4 months…i see a mesmer?well i run away till i can.
Up to 10 confusion stacks for a discrete ammount of seconds (our #3 pistol/bombs/wrench ability all together are not even close as performance in terms of seconds) , impressive ammount of direct damage from shatters or from illusions , all infused with 3 hide ability that in my case have a deadly impact due to the fact once a thief or mesmer go in hide i can’t see em for about 7/8 seconds ( and they ofc still continue hit me) .
I can use AOe with granade,bombs,my elite supply try to focus on the mesmer or try to focus on his illusions …but the end of the combat it’s the same : i get facerolled..and badly.

I really don’t know how to deal with this 2 classes…it’s just me?
I don’t have that low reputation of my self , i mean…i know how to deal with my skills , and i think i do well in PvP…i’m not a pro , not a beast…but i still win nealry all my 1 vs 1 with ALL the other classes.
It’s just me pretending too much because i’m not able to kill this kind of elementalist and mesmer?
I don’t think it’s normal the way this classes can be played with some trait/skill set.It’s like have to combat some godmode class.
And , when i see after many and many attempt that i cannot win(or simply feel i gived a challange to my enemy) using any kind of strategy with just this two classes(considering i’m not immortal , i can lose with other classes too as anyone else but at least i usually do a nice duel with my enemy before i go down) , i can’t do anything else that just become depressed.
I apologize for my english.
Regards.

Started messing with turrets tonight and noticed a shift in the way I dealt with d/d Ele. I still can’t kill them reliably, but there was no way in hell they could kill me with my rocket and net turret up. It would just disrupt them too much and combined with my rifle I would drop them to about 1/4 or w/e and they’d bug out. They would then heal and try again but my turrets would hamper them again. A couple times I would pack up and try and finish them with my toolbelt/rifle skills, but that mobility is just too much to deal with. Still I don’t mind complaining I can’t kill them rather than I can’t escape them.

d/d Ele’s hate being CCd.

Avoid their openers, especially Updraft and Churning Earth, and dont blow your CCs when he has earth armor up. And when that goes down, start CCing and knock him out of his rythm.
Dont expect to really kill one, they are to good at healing and running away. But frustrate em enough and they might leave you alone.

It’s definitely NOT you OP trust me.

Charliengine, check Maskagandas videos and build for some hints on how to stomp those classes:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/The-Spree-WvW-pistols-and-pots-movie

Pannonica.5378:

Charliengine, check Maskagandas videos and build for some hints on how to stomp those classes:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/The-Spree-WvW-pistols-and-pots-movie

Hello Pannonica.
I watched this video some hour ago,and i changed my set again ,even if i already tested something similar , i will try it again.
I don’t give up easly , i was a lot frustrated when i wrote this topic.
Tonight i will test it properly , hunting for some Ele and mesmer in WvW.

Ty all for reply and tips guys.
Regards

It’s definitely not just you.

I’m an average player, but when I see an Ele coming at me in WvW, I automatically know he/she is a Dagger/Dagger.

I fought one for quite awhile, and the others I was with stood back (same with the D/D Ele). It was BRUTAL. I run with a TankCAT build, and swapping between Static Shield and my Tool Kit was the only thing that kept me alive, while popping Elixir B and Elixir S as well).At one point, I almost had him cold DEAD. Then…

FWOOSH! Super LIGHTNINGBALLFLYAWAYSPEEDOFLIGHTBBQCHICKENINVULNERABLEIMMUNEWTF and he’s miles away….

Then comes back…and does it all over again.

Mesmers…I don’t even bother anymore. If they run away, I don’t chase. Same with Thieves.

It seems that almost every class has a SNES RESET BUTTON, in that if things aren’t going their way they’ll run and regen in a matter of seconds, while you wait for your healing skills and whatnot to recharge JUST IN TIME for that D/D Ele or Thief(these are the two classes I see do a constant COMBAT RESET) to try and ROFLSTOMP you.

Good mesmers should kill you 1v1 (at least ones that know how to do a proper shatter combo but thats rare in WvW so be thankful.)

Bunker water eles? You won’t kill them, you simply don’t have the DPS to down them. But again, you won’t see many of those in WvW either.

IDK about other ele’s because I did SPvP predominantly and that’s the only ele you came across, everytime I roamed WvW it was a different story because pretty much everyone I came across was scaled or just didn’t know how to play.

So in short, hope your opponent is bad.

To all the people saying this is a whine post or w/e, try playing some TPvP on your engi and killing a good mes or ele. Mesmers you can sometimes beat but its definitely an uphill battle. Against eles just stall until their team or yours shows up.

Just for the cronicle : i rolled a mesmer , to study his skills and combat better against this class .

Then i done a big error : at lvl 40 today i tested it in WvW looking for some 1 vs 1.
I facerolled 4/5 D/D eles lvl 80 , i facerolled around 6 thiefs , 1 poor engineer , 2 warrior (cannot remember if both guardian ).

All in 1 vs 1 while i was wearing “fine”(blue) power/precision gear lvl 40 ,with full hide/shadow utility skills and i’m only lvl 43.

It’s not a QQ …but…i feel strangely happy…i think i solved my problem rolling a mesmer.
I already have a thief 80 but i never played it after i rolled the engineer,because thief is superboring.

I don’t touch my engineer from 2/3 days(usually after start levelling a character i go back on engine after 1 hour because i miss him)…and the worst thing is i gone in love for mesmer :S .

I apologize for my english .
Regards.

Play what you enjoy. I have a level 63 mesmer but don’t like playing him over the engineer. I plan to use the mesmer as a dungeon runner but I don’t see replacing the engi in WvW with him. I just don’t care for the mesmer really.

Do I like facing mesmers in WvW as an engineer. No, I don’t but I think the engineer is more fun so it’s the class for me.

Thieves seem like they would be a lot of fun too but there are too many bad thieves that makes me not want to play one. The bad engineers tend to just roll something else LOL. Not saying you are bad just that it’s not the class for everyone.

I must agree.
After what i saw today with a mesmer lvl 43.
Engineer is not for all.What makes me understand your statement is the “fun” part.I’ve always had a lot of fun with engineer,this is why i was unable to roll another char.But…today i just found something extremely fun to play.
About the bad engineers: yeah,may be after 4 months of play , i realize only now i was not that good.Play a lvl 43 mesmer is less impegnative i must admit it.
Now i’m just a little dissappointed cause i already got 5 exotic set,400 +- skil points,all the craft ability and the rifle precursor on the engineer….uff!
i will continue play mesmer for a little more..then i will decide if sell rifle precursor,because i’m still not sure about what i’m doing.

For elementalist I recommend keepig close to them as possible. That way whenever they pop magnetic aura to buy some time you can melee them instead of just watching the regain cd on skills and health. Any class that can reflect projectiles has a huge advantage against engies so its important to have at least a weapon that can bypass that defense. Im not sure if the flamethrower counts as melee or range so it might help too.

As engies we dont have a good hard counter against mesmers but running around like a maniac with flamethrower has had decent results for me, as I can still do damage to mesmers while depriving them of illusions to use.