Guild Wars 2

So I just finished watching the live stream for the new crafting increase as well as the Legendary updates. As we all know already, engineers and legendaries are in a pitiful situation, and I thought they would actually take the time to address this with the new updates. Did they? Nope!

My main is an engie, my only 80 is an engie, all I play is my engie. I worked so hard to craft my Flameseeker Prophecies, and stuck through it through all the other players questioning/harassing me as to why I would even make that legendary as an engie. You don’t see anything from it through kits, there is no special effects with kits, there is no aura, no footprints, there is absolutely nothing… But I stuck with my decision and had hope.

I was looking forward to the update as I thought all my hard work would be worth something… But my hope went out the window.

This is extremely frustrating, and I’m pretty sure we are past due on this. I understand that some legendaries like the scepter needed that update, however I’m lost as to why Bitfrost and Sunrise got updated. To me, it was a slap in the face. Sure, FSP is a GREAT legendary when it’s wielded. But like, how can you justify keeping it the way it is when out of the 3 professions that can use it, 1 is the Engineer (who, mind you, has only 3 weapon choices to begin with and is almost always in kits).

I’m not one to rant, I’m not one to be upset about things. But this has honestly gone too far.

i feel your pain man. i have quip which admitedaly has some effects that do things on kit swap etc but in the end its the same situation. i spend most my time in nades and this patch i was hoping. praying, that they would do something about this problem. dont even get me started on if there gonna increase kit str to match ascended. so far i am not a happy bunny

I can’t agree more. If Anet doesn’t give us footfalls, or glow auras, I’m done. I wrote another post here about it:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Flameseeker-Prophecies-Updated-Graphics/first#post2735308

I’m so fed up with feeling like I get the short end of the stick no matter how much time and effort I put into this game.

You have no idea how much crap I got for crafting flameseeker. “WHY GET THAT ONE IT DOESN’T EVEN GLOW” etc etc etc. It’s friggin sad.

I’ll post here what I posted in the other thread:

As an engineer using The Flameseeker Prophecies I felt terrible at hearing the announcement that my shield wouldn’t be getting an update. Before Quip was updated, the choice was easy for me. I liked the shield a lot more. After the first wave of updates I got really excited; my shield might be the next one to get a visual upgrade!

After hearing about the last update, I finally thought my wish would come true! This would be the best patch ever; not only would we be getting SAB back, but the shield I had put so many hours of effort in would finally be more like the other legendaries! Footsteps, auras, perhaps even some cool effects for my ‘Grenade Barrage’, like the other engineer legendaries had.. but alas. I was especially looking forward to upgrades, because as an engineer I’ve already got very little of my weapons to show off.

It’s strange how affected I felt by the announcement there would be no visual upgrade. I’d almost salvage my shield out of sadness..

I agree about the particle effects in their regards to engineer. I suppose you can at least take comfort in knowing you have weapons that allow you to switch your stats on the fly now (so long as you are not in combat). I always stayed away from grinding for my legendaries since I felt like I didn’t get much benefit from them but this most recent change has well changed my mind in regards to that, so let the grind begin!

Yea that is a nice feature. But again leaves us at an aesthetic disadvantage due to bad implementation and design. Why should our experience be hindered because we chose the wrong character at the selection screen?! It shouldn’t, and I can’t believe it’s still the case…

Also, maybe while I made this thread I should also ask about the concerns we have about the new ascended stats and weapon base dmg and how that will work with kits?!

Well we are only 10% they dont care so much.

Rozbuska.5263:

Well we are only 10% they dont care so much.

I think we are less than that, those stats showed characters created, not mains that are level 80…

derekgrant.6504:

Rozbuska.5263:

Well we are only 10% they dont care so much.

I think we are less than that, those stats showed characters created, not mains that are level 80…

I must agree I feel like in Warhammer online where engineer were in much worse position actualy we were only 2 engineers at max rank at whole server:-) On other hand we are not mainstream:-)

So like, we are hipsters? Maybe the devs don’t like hipsters.

Im just asking here, regarding the title of the thread: What is to be done?

Its not like we havent banged every door available for at least the removal of the freaking kit hobosacks.

lakdav.3694:

Im just asking here, regarding the title of the thread: What is to be done?

Its not like we havent banged every door available for at least the removal of the freaking kit hobosacks.

I’m honestly not sure, we need to just keep pushing for our issue to be addressed by getting a response. I already posted this thread on reddit but it got lost in a sea of down votes of people not understand what the issue is. Probably a bunch of greatsword wielding guardians and warriors.

+1
Really disappointed this wasn’t discussed in the livestream and we still haven’t received an update on this.
We’re 10% of the playerbase, we have access to only 3 weapon types and our hobo sacks still look ridiculous.
As someone who’s really close to getting The Predator, I was hoping on an update.

i agree there are many things that can be done i would be happy if we just had some particle effect i.e

flamethrower kit: Quip = fires a stream of deadly confetti
Flameseeker = fire burning pages
The Predator = plasma flames
grenade kit: Quip= throw party poppers the explodes confetti
Flameseeker= leaves writing on the floor
The Predator=make the plasma nade effect work on all the grenades
bomb kit: same as the grenade kit?
that my two cents but please have something for us arena net

Flame Seeker Prophecies is a very nice looking legendary that has a great deal of lore behind it; but it’s obvious that Anet has a lot more love for big weapons than for anything else—just see the trio of legendary greatswords. Engineers do suffer a great deal in that when we switch to kits we’re suddenly bereft of many weapon-effects and animations—except, of course, the kit.

It would be nice to have some quality-and-beauty updates to FSP that perhaps give it a foot-effect. It would even be nicer if Anet thought about the necessity of having a legendary wielded for its effect to be shown. After all: why can’t engineers have our flamethrower get an extra sheen when wearing FSP? or have Quip generate some sort of strange particles when using the Elixir gun.

After all: our kits replace our weapons, so they should become the conduit for the auras and effects otherwise associated with the legendary.

Amerist.6504:

After all: our kits replace our weapons, so they should become the conduit for the auras and effects otherwise associated with the legendary.

Exactly!

The only update we’re likely to get is “We understand your irritation, but the resources are being dedicated to other projects.” I think, as a matter of fact, that Colin pretty much said just that, months ago.

Nobody’s said a word about the Legendary/Kit situation since – we’ve had more luck getting responses on Hobosacks. I know for a fact I ain’t the first to say this, but for a game that revolves so much around cosmetics, Anet’s really dropping the ball here. Now that there’s actually going to be a functional reason to desire a Legendary weapon, it’s even worse – if we decide to get a Legendary, we have to spend months of effort for one of three weapons that don’t, in any way, fit the Engineer to begin with, and then never even see the kitten thing if we use Kits.

I don’t even use Kits, myself, but this got ridiculous months ago – the issues with Kits and Back Items both. At least we’ve seen one of the people say that they’d come up with an idea on how to handle the back items.

It is severely frustrating and I still can’t believe this broken aspect of the game is still around. They built the game around the very foundations of aesthetics, and are pretty much slapping us in the face with this whole situation.

Agree, agree, agree, agree.

Honestly, I think instead of posting messages, we should go the traditional route: snail-mail objects that bring across a message. It’s obviously a bit more costly, but I believe the message would be more clear and “to the god dang point”.

I have at some point considered mailing ArenaNet an old “hobo-sack” that I got from my Marine Corp friends along with a multi-page letter printed single-spaced, 10 point, on legal-sized paper, complete with a dramatic reading of said message to those who prefer an audio version.

Well, maybe that could be borderline overkill, but something needs to be done.

Although, it may be possible that whomever designed the Flameseeker Prophecies is also very defensive about his/her design and doesn’t want other Anet artists to “destroy” it with more glitter and fluff.

Ari Kagura.9182:

Honestly, I think instead of posting messages, we should go the traditional route: snail-mail objects that bring across a message. It’s obviously a bit more costly, but I believe the message would be more clear and “to the god dang point”.

I have at some point considered mailing ArenaNet an old “hobo-sack” that I got from my Marine Corp friends along with a multi-page letter printed single-spaced, 10 point, on legal-sized paper, complete with a dramatic reading of said message to those who prefer an audio version.

Well, maybe that could be borderline overkill, but something needs to be done.

Although, it may be possible that whomever designed the Flameseeker Prophecies is also very defensive about his/her design and doesn’t want other Anet artists to “destroy” it with more glitter and fluff.

Yes I can agree with that. It only proves however a very important question. Is Flameseeker the problem? Or Engineer design?

I’d say neither is the problem (and this is coming from somebody who’s pretty open about their dislike of Kits and the emphasis placed on them) – although I suppose it’s possible that they considered Kits so integral to Engineer gameplay that they simply didn’t bother figuring out Legendaries for us, that doesn’t explain why they didn’t figure out a way to have Kits display Legendary qualities. Why they haven’t. Why they’ve completely disregarded us and our issues with cosmetics, as far as any of us can tell.

And that, I think, is the problem – they simply ignore that one of their classes relies heavily on something that overrides their Legendaries (which require an extraordinary, concentrated effort to obtain at all), not that they bothered to give said class a fitting Legendary to begin with, instead having Joke Popgun, Holy Magic Shield, and Sci-Fi Sniper Rifle to pick from.

Anymras.5729:

And that, I think, is the problem – they simply ignore that one of their classes relies heavily on something that overrides their Legendaries (which require an extraordinary, concentrated effort to obtain at all), not that they bothered to give said class a fitting Legendary to begin with, instead having Joke Popgun, Holy Magic Shield, and Sci-Fi Sniper Rifle to pick from.

Yea, I was never in my right mind going to get Quip. As for Predator, why would I want to use a sniper rifle as a shotgun? That’s clearly aimed for warriors. As for Flameseeker, I love the shield and it’s lore, despite the fact it doesn’t suit me.

derekgrant.6504:

Ari Kagura.9182:

Honestly, I think instead of posting messages, we should go the traditional route: snail-mail objects that bring across a message. It’s obviously a bit more costly, but I believe the message would be more clear and “to the god dang point”.

I have at some point considered mailing ArenaNet an old “hobo-sack” that I got from my Marine Corp friends along with a multi-page letter printed single-spaced, 10 point, on legal-sized paper, complete with a dramatic reading of said message to those who prefer an audio version.

Well, maybe that could be borderline overkill, but something needs to be done.

Although, it may be possible that whomever designed the Flameseeker Prophecies is also very defensive about his/her design and doesn’t want other Anet artists to “destroy” it with more glitter and fluff.

Yes I can agree with that. It only proves however a very important question. Is Flameseeker the problem? Or Engineer design?

I’m a guardian. It’s flameseeker.

Anymras.5729:

I don’t even use Kits, myself, but this got ridiculous months ago – the issues with Kits and Back Items both. At least we’ve seen one of the people say that they’d come up with an idea on how to handle the back items.

I came up with a build which just by swapping traits work for dual pistols so I can actually show off my Quip; or for FT for actual rougher play.

I loved my engineer so bad, but when I finished crafting Quip, which due to my lack of time I can dedicate to gaming took pretty long, I felt, well… “now what?”
I am a kit engineer mainly and this kinda killed it… I don’t use grenade kit, but all the other kits on occasion with FT as main. At least gimme that purple glow, if nothing…

Edit: I love Quip. But I love silly. My Asura is silly and it suits her. In all the other games I play I tend to go silly too.
Flower power!

One of the reason I got FSP was because I wanted a more “epic” feeling legendary rather than a “joke” weapon. Quip is a cool pistol, and it’s definitely adorable on an asura (but like, what isn’t?), but it doesn’t fit my style.

also an engineer with Flame Seeker Prophecies, I must admit I was quite disappointed had my hopes of that we would get some kind of footfall (ex old krytan text, or a pulsating effect like the shield has around the edges) not to mention I am usually in kits so don’t see it as often as I would like either, just sad.

Also now there is this issue if you have a legendary: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-did-conjured-weaps-kits-get-hotfixed/first#post2769041