Guild Wars 2

Guess who is enjoying the highest win ratio and fun factor in sPVP right now

Guards are a joke right now,
can’t 1v1,
get focused in group fights asap without able to provide anything,
can’t bunker.
NO tactical gameplay

During the last game on my ranger, im getting focused by this warrior. I hunder shot him, dodge out of cleave and stomp the guy downed next to him while stealthed. Normally players would expect 1 to stealth and run away,
THIS is far more than i could achieve with a typical; guard gameplay

If anything i would say its the easiest class to get into sPVP right now with the lowest skill cap yet with the lowest gain.

There are my thoughts after playing a guard full time since the start of the game. Am i the best guard? No, Do i know what im talking about? I would hope so at least.

Are guards balanced at the highest level of play? I don’t know, but you can’t balance the game for 0.000001% of the player base. Until i can play in MLG i will be retiring my guard from sPVP and focus on other classes which reward skillful and tactical play

Hunter.4783:

Guess who is enjoying the highest win ratio and fun factor in sPVP right now

Guards are a joke right now,
can’t 1v1,
get focused in group fights asap without able to provide anything,
can’t bunker.
NO tactical gameplay

During the last game on my ranger, im getting focused by this warrior. I hunder shot him, dodge out of cleave and stomp the guy downed next to him while stealthed. Normally players would expect 1 to stealth and run away,
THIS is far more than i could achieve with a typical; guard gameplay

If anything i would say its the easiest class to get into sPVP right now with the lowest skill cap yet with the lowest gain.

There are my thoughts after playing a guard full time since the start of the game. Am i the best guard? No, Do i know what im talking about? I would hope so at least.

Are guards balanced at the highest level of play? I don’t know, but you can’t balance the game for 0.000001% of the player base. Until i can play in MLG i will be retiring my guard from sPVP and focus on other classes which reward skillful and tactical play

Im sorry that youre so bad you cant play one of the easiest specs in the game so you resort to the 2nd easiest in the entire game. Soon you’ll say ranger sucks and roll turret engi.

All other classes have similar skills like guardian and they are better at it.

I 1v1 all classes on my medi guard; 2k hours and my main since launch. No issues at all for the most part, even won the occasional 1v2 even; so not exactly feeling guardIan is in a bad state. And I’m no expert in sPvP (94 percentile on leaderboards, win rate 60ish)

My point is, you can’t contest as a guard since any D/D ele, engie or warrior will beat you to it
You can’t bunker since aforementioned classes do it better
You get singled out and focused in mid, you all know that by now
Anything you can do, other classes do it better.
So why even play a guard in sPVP when other classes are simply…better right now

Sure, necros might be in the same spot as we, but a power necro left unchecked can down 3 people in mid in a matter of moments. Same with ranger. Guards just run in, WW and die to retaliation and condi spam

Aren’t cele Engi’s a pretty hard counter…I can’t beat them for nothing. Could just be me however.

Sauncho.8076:

Aren’t cele Engi’s a pretty hard counter…I can’t beat them for nothing. Could just be me however.

if they drop crate, otherwise you have a good chance, especially on sc/hammer

With hammer and stab on VoC celes engi is actually pretty beatable since everybody uses slick shoes now and in teamfights they are probably your easiest target (only with hammer tho).

And if you spend 4k hours on one of the arguebly easier classes in this game and you’re still performing bad maybe you’re just not as good as you think you are? ^-^

I believe we have a case of wrong class for the wrong player that finally found the right class for his play style.

In all seriousness whether it be a Medi guard that’ll blink in for the burst or a bunker holding the point Guards tend to get targeted not so much become they are an easy pick off but because they can turn around a fight if not dealt with immediately.

savacli.8172:

I believe we have a case of wrong class for the wrong player that finally found the right class for his play style.

In all seriousness whether it be a Medi guard that’ll blink in for the burst or a bunker holding the point Guards tend to get targeted not so much become they are an easy pick off but because they can turn around a fight if not dealt with immediately.

Turn what around? Are you joking? Eles and thieves can turn matches around, not guards.

if u upload some gameplay, im sure ppl would be willing to give u pointers on wat u should’ve done in x-situation. the reason why everyone’s giving u a hard time is because all they see is you complaining in a post. Which, most posts of that nature tend to be from less than average players(skill wise). Everyone here isn’t having the same one-sided experiences that you have listed. They could probably help you. There are a number of players that wouldn’t mind having some practice duels with you and give you some tips to be better with your guardian.

Nah, is more like the forum syndrome, as i like to call it. People will dissagree just for the sake of disagreeing. You think guards are “in a good place”?

Fine with me, lol.

I have trouble with every condi class – condi ranger, engie (turreteer, condi), mesmer condi ( this I can win if he is low skilled), Necro condi is tough but beatable, elementalist cele is hard, even warrior shoutbow is hard. All other builds are beatable, only condies are tough for me.

Tyreal.5230:

if u upload some gameplay, im sure ppl would be willing to give u pointers on wat u should’ve done in x-situation. the reason why everyone’s giving u a hard time is because all they see is you complaining in a post. Which, most posts of that nature tend to be from less than average players(skill wise). Everyone here isn’t having the same one-sided experiences that you have listed. They could probably help you. There are a number of players that wouldn’t mind having some practice duels with you and give you some tips to be better with your guardian.

besides, how the kitten did this thread change into me having trouble with playing guardians.

All i did was point out the major flaws of the class and added that a few hours into ranger offered me more strategical insight than 4k hours did on my guard. Its as simple as that.

Yet, here we have all the hotshots bashing at me for being bad for no reason whatsoever.

This is why i say that the class forums are a crap-pool right now where constructive feedback is the last thing in anyones mind.

Hunter.4783:

Tyreal.5230:

if u upload some gameplay, im sure ppl would be willing to give u pointers on wat u should’ve done in x-situation. the reason why everyone’s giving u a hard time is because all they see is you complaining in a post. Which, most posts of that nature tend to be from less than average players(skill wise). Everyone here isn’t having the same one-sided experiences that you have listed. They could probably help you. There are a number of players that wouldn’t mind having some practice duels with you and give you some tips to be better with your guardian.

besides, how the kitten did this thread change into me having trouble with playing guardians.

All i did was point out the major flaws of the class and added that a few hours into ranger offered me more strategical insight than 4k hours did on my guard. Its as simple as that.

Yet, here we have all the hotshots bashing at me for being bad for no reason whatsoever.

This is why i say that the class forums are a crap-pool right now where constructive feedback is the last thing in anyones mind.

Okay, calm down dude. You didn’t even read what I wrote yet you’re going off on people. I didn’t say you were bad I said that’s what your post tells everyone compared to every other post of the same nature. When you act like that how can you expect nothing but negative replies to your post.

Also, this isn’t a “any tips? having a hard time playing guard in spvp” thread, it’s more of a guardian sucks cuz i can do X and X stuff on ranger that I couldn’t on guardian.

Well then let it put me that way: Many teams play with guard, many people think they are pretty good and more than viable in this meta. If you don’t think so either you are right and all the top teams using guards are wrong or guard is just not the right class for you.

Tyreal.5230:

Hunter.4783:

Tyreal.5230:

if u upload some gameplay, im sure ppl would be willing to give u pointers on wat u should’ve done in x-situation. the reason why everyone’s giving u a hard time is because all they see is you complaining in a post. Which, most posts of that nature tend to be from less than average players(skill wise). Everyone here isn’t having the same one-sided experiences that you have listed. They could probably help you. There are a number of players that wouldn’t mind having some practice duels with you and give you some tips to be better with your guardian.

besides, how the kitten did this thread change into me having trouble with playing guardians.

All i did was point out the major flaws of the class and added that a few hours into ranger offered me more strategical insight than 4k hours did on my guard. Its as simple as that.

Yet, here we have all the hotshots bashing at me for being bad for no reason whatsoever.

This is why i say that the class forums are a crap-pool right now where constructive feedback is the last thing in anyones mind.

Okay, calm down dude. You didn’t even read what I wrote yet you’re going off on people. I didn’t say you were bad I said that’s what your post tells everyone compared to every other post of the same nature. When you act like that how can you expect nothing but negative replies to your post.

Also, this isn’t a “any tips? having a hard time playing guard in spvp” thread, it’s more of a guardian sucks cuz i can do X and X stuff on ranger that I couldn’t on guardian.

The first post in my thread was a negative reply, from the guardian guru himself no less, in about 5 sec after i made my post.

Again, this is NOT a “omg help me out” post, “neither is it a guards suck” one. Im simply stating that it only takes a few hours of playing another class just to see what the guard lacks.

Hunter.4783:

Tyreal.5230:

Hunter.4783:

Tyreal.5230:

if u upload some gameplay, im sure ppl would be willing to give u pointers on wat u should’ve done in x-situation. the reason why everyone’s giving u a hard time is because all they see is you complaining in a post. Which, most posts of that nature tend to be from less than average players(skill wise). Everyone here isn’t having the same one-sided experiences that you have listed. They could probably help you. There are a number of players that wouldn’t mind having some practice duels with you and give you some tips to be better with your guardian.

besides, how the kitten did this thread change into me having trouble with playing guardians.

All i did was point out the major flaws of the class and added that a few hours into ranger offered me more strategical insight than 4k hours did on my guard. Its as simple as that.

Yet, here we have all the hotshots bashing at me for being bad for no reason whatsoever.

This is why i say that the class forums are a crap-pool right now where constructive feedback is the last thing in anyones mind.

Okay, calm down dude. You didn’t even read what I wrote yet you’re going off on people. I didn’t say you were bad I said that’s what your post tells everyone compared to every other post of the same nature. When you act like that how can you expect nothing but negative replies to your post.

Also, this isn’t a “any tips? having a hard time playing guard in spvp” thread, it’s more of a guardian sucks cuz i can do X and X stuff on ranger that I couldn’t on guardian.

The first post in my thread was a negative reply, from the guardian guru himself no less, in about 5 sec after i made my post.

Again, this is NOT a “omg help me out” post, “neither is it a guards suck” one. Im simply stating that it only takes a few hours of playing another class just to see what the guard lacks.

So you are saying in a game with different archetypes not every class can do everything and some classes are better at x than other class, which is a fact.

In any case it sseems you are the type for blaming your failures on everyone except yourself. In any case the fact med guards are in the meta even with the celestial meta goes to show you are wrong and might just be bad.

Main problem with guardians is the lack of spammable snares (cripples/chills) to keep enemies in range.

If you have an ally to provide them for you your can do good, if you don’t and your enemy is good at kiting then your likely screwed.

Personally I would love it if they changed “Shimmering Defense” into a 2 second chill on blind with a 10 second cool down per target.

silvermember.8941:

Hunter.4783:

Tyreal.5230:

Hunter.4783:

Tyreal.5230:

if u upload some gameplay, im sure ppl would be willing to give u pointers on wat u should’ve done in x-situation. the reason why everyone’s giving u a hard time is because all they see is you complaining in a post. Which, most posts of that nature tend to be from less than average players(skill wise). Everyone here isn’t having the same one-sided experiences that you have listed. They could probably help you. There are a number of players that wouldn’t mind having some practice duels with you and give you some tips to be better with your guardian.

besides, how the kitten did this thread change into me having trouble with playing guardians.

All i did was point out the major flaws of the class and added that a few hours into ranger offered me more strategical insight than 4k hours did on my guard. Its as simple as that.

Yet, here we have all the hotshots bashing at me for being bad for no reason whatsoever.

This is why i say that the class forums are a crap-pool right now where constructive feedback is the last thing in anyones mind.

Okay, calm down dude. You didn’t even read what I wrote yet you’re going off on people. I didn’t say you were bad I said that’s what your post tells everyone compared to every other post of the same nature. When you act like that how can you expect nothing but negative replies to your post.

Also, this isn’t a “any tips? having a hard time playing guard in spvp” thread, it’s more of a guardian sucks cuz i can do X and X stuff on ranger that I couldn’t on guardian.

The first post in my thread was a negative reply, from the guardian guru himself no less, in about 5 sec after i made my post.

Again, this is NOT a “omg help me out” post, “neither is it a guards suck” one. Im simply stating that it only takes a few hours of playing another class just to see what the guard lacks.

So you are saying in a game with different archetypes not every class can do everything and some classes are better at x than other class, which is a fact.

In any case it sseems you are the type for blaming your failures on everyone except yourself. In any case the fact med guards are in the meta even with the celestial meta goes to show you are wrong and might just be bad.

Not always, ele, engie and war are in the meta. Meta = staple mark of the team

You can argue thieves are too just as well as medi guards, so are necros and rangers as they were all present in the last games. Just cuz a class is present doesnt make it “meta” and doesn’t mean it has no flaws

Hunter, I would take advice from the more accredited Guardians on this thread. They are obviously more skillful, and more knowledgeable on where Guards stands in the Meta.

As for your 1v1 dilemas, I’d recommend my burn build.. but I don’t think any Guardian build would satisfy you.

Like others have said, the Guardian was probably never your class to begin with.
Best regards.

Guardian is LIFE.

Saiyan.1704:

Hunter, I would take advice from the more accredited Guardians on this thread. They are obviously more skillful, and more knowledgeable on where Guards stands in the Meta.

As for your 1v1 dilemas, I’d recommend my burn build.. but I don’t think any Guardian build would satisfy you.

Like others have said, the Guardian was probably never your class to begin with.
Best regards.

Oh, will you listen to yourself?

“accredited” players, are nothing but more vocal posters. Did they finish some secret guild wars 2 collage or something? Are you joking me? You really think for a second this ultra casual MMO has a huge skill discrepancy between beginner and “pro”?

Ridiculous…

And way to change perspective on things.

My post went from: “hey guys, i think guardians have issues” to “Hunter, you suck, you can’t play, guards are fine”

FYI, i was using MY burn build before those videos started popping on the forums. i like how you go the extra mile just to flex that thingie.

Hunter.4783:

Guards are a joke right now,
can’t 1v1,
get focused in group fights asap without able to provide anything,
can’t bunker.
NO tactical gameplay

I’m assuming you’re using a meditation guardian, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise that you can’t bunker and that there isn’t any tactical gameplay surrounding it. Meditation guardians can definitely 1v1 though, and they can take down glassy builds with almost no counterplay.
Other classes can bunker better, but I’m pretty sure guardians can at least bunker decently. However, what guardians truly excel in over other classes is support.

Hunter.4783:

“accredited” players, are nothing but more vocal posters. Did they finish some secret guild wars 2 collage or something? Are you joking me? You really think for a second this ultra casual MMO has a huge skill discrepancy between beginner and “pro”?

lol

Hunter.4783:

You really think for a second this ultra casual MMO has a huge skill discrepancy between beginner and “pro”?

Yes.

I was going to ask for some tips on the subform for uncoordinated play – but this thread is way more enjoyable

I guess every subforum has one of these – but this guy is on a new level

/popcorn

Guardian is the class that don’t allow mistakes because of low hp pool and lacks of cc and conditions, you make 2,3 mistakes and you are dead. Its like: your survival depends how bursty you are, if you miss your burst you die. Simiple as that.

Ragnarox.9601:

Guardian is the class that don’t allow mistakes because of low hp pool and lacks of cc and conditions, you make 2,3 mistakes and you are dead. Its like: your survival depends how bursty you are, if you miss your burst you die. Simiple as that.

LOL, zerk Guardian is probably the most forgiving zerk class in PVP. Block, blind, instant heal, instant cleanse, invulnerable, you have so many tolerate of mistake even if you miss your burst. You really need to try other zerk class sometimes. One mistake = BOOM! You die.

Wow, what happened to the Guardian forums? I don’t remember this community being like this a year back.

First of all, Hunter is a good guardian and knows how to play the class. He has contributed for a long time on these forums longer then some of you posting on this thread.

Second, he is just ranting everyone is entitled to it. And his rant has valid points in it. But instead there are posts attacking him and resorting to childish taunts against his gameplay which most of you haven’t seen.

Listen bud, you didn’t come in here with a constructive post. You came in crying like a kitten about how you can’t play. There are plenty of successful guardians out there who understand how to play the class. obviously these “accredited” players understand a depth to the class that you cannot comprehend. Keep pressing 1 and 2 on ranger, it is more your pace.

Also: “collage” =/= college

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.