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Posted by: Nabarue.3290

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A few days ago, I saw a video here on the forums of a Guardian solo-ing Lupicus with a Scepter in record time. It inspired me, as my build that I currently use is somewhat similar, but it showed me that what I am currently running is a little sub-par compared to what it COULD be. So I bring to my fellow Guardians two variants of a build I feel fleshes out my already existing one, and hope that you all may have some input on how I can put the finishing touches on it.

The goal is almost 100% uptime for Burning. I will not be using it for the condition damage though, but for the passive damage bonus I will receive from my perks. The burning damage is just the icing on the cake.

Here is the first build. It’s my versatile, all around PvE build that I run with:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNArdRlsApXo97wQI8DRR8QlVKa9H8CbQlBwEg1TA-TlSBwAFVGxd/hEm/ioE8m6Po0GgXHwiTBwRlOAeCABAQAuZAASBMqwI-w

The second build is for when Scepter just doesn’t cut it, or when I need to dish out some serious pain while being up-close and personal. With being able to re-trait on the fly, I have been switching between the two every now and again.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAsdSlsApZo1CxYI8DRR8Ql5Y0iW/BtwGUVAg1JC-TlSBwAFVGxd/hEm/ioE8m6Po0HI5UAcUpziHAAgjAApAGVYE-w

So with those two that I am flipping between, any suggestions on how I can round them out a bit? The second one especially feels like it’s missing something to me, but I can’t quite figure out what…

Thanks for reading!

Sir Sprocket the Engi/ Kyoryu Silver the Ele
And my Alter-Ego- Kyoryu Gold, Mesmer, Thundering Hero, wielder of the Legendary Meteorlogicus!

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Posted by: Nabarue.3290

Nabarue.3290

Sooooo, is this just so bad no one has deigned to answer? xD

Sir Sprocket the Engi/ Kyoryu Silver the Ele
And my Alter-Ego- Kyoryu Gold, Mesmer, Thundering Hero, wielder of the Legendary Meteorlogicus!

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Posted by: Megastorm.6219

Megastorm.6219

I’ve been using something similar since the update, and it seems to work well enough to keep toying around with it.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsd7fl0ApZo9CxUI8DRR8gk1YrP9aTVBuc2RA-TVSBwAFVGFRJ4VlO32fU/BvuHQHQBUaB0cyCA8EAIFwoCjA-w

It still feels “stupid meta zerker” enough for the damage output, and lets me change out weapons and utility skills to feel like a guardian still also.

(edited by Megastorm.6219)

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Posted by: Ghotistyx.6942

Ghotistyx.6942

You 2nd build looks decent. I’d consider Superior Aria over Wrathful Spirit, as I feel it outweighs the 3.5s of Retal. You could even consider dropping 5 points from Honor and putting it in Virtues for the damage per boon.
I’d also consider switching runes of Baelfire for Flame Legion. You don’t really gain much from those few seconds of vigor (not that you’d be getting much from 1s burning either), and you shouldn’t be getting hit too often anyway with the myriad of blinds, aegis, WoR, etc. A permanent +7% damage against burning should offer more damage than the fire nova every 30s which, even if it was buffed 100%, doesn’t really offer enough (and there’s no easy to find numbers to figure damage).

If you find yourself not getting enough fury, there’s also Runes of Rage to consider. They’re essentially Fury versions on Rune of Strength.

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Posted by: Aedrion.6483

Aedrion.6483

I made my own burning PvP build and nothing other than heavy cleansing ele’s can touch me. Versus condi bunkers we often both go down. I love how nobody has figured out yet that burning guardian is a thing now, you just need to use the tools in the game to work around its weaknesses.

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Posted by: messiah.1908

messiah.1908

in wvw and pvp burning guardian are very strong 1v1 and can hold nicely 1v2 on points especially against melee classes which take the whole blocks burning ticks
against conditions classes its bit harder so as state above if i die he will die 2 seconds later

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Posted by: Scorpion Over Lord.9036

Scorpion Over Lord.9036

Just so im clear, these are WvW builds?

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Posted by: Nabarue.3290

Nabarue.3290

Just so im clear, these are WvW builds?

These are not WvW builds. These builds are my dungeon/general PvE builds.

For WvW I switch over to Healway.

Sir Sprocket the Engi/ Kyoryu Silver the Ele
And my Alter-Ego- Kyoryu Gold, Mesmer, Thundering Hero, wielder of the Legendary Meteorlogicus!

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Posted by: Scorpion Over Lord.9036

Scorpion Over Lord.9036

Ok, in that case where do i begin.
So unless its fractals and your not used to melee, scepter isnt going to do you any favors in dungeons for dps or the skills they provide. Save yourself isnt a good utility even at a 48sec cd as it only give those boons to yourself and its not removing any conditions. Hammer isnt much better in a dungeon group unless its high level fractals as the fights in dungeons are too short to justify the protection up time and it also ruins fire fields. The traits in Honor arent necessary, if you are still practicing on a squishy guard, you only need 1 point in Honor to gain the minor trait vigorous precision. Scepter Power is also a wasted trait as in dungeons you should be close to the group to gain the boons aswell as to help res and keep the foes grouped together…this is team play…not play how you want, its a 5 man party, not a Rambo moment where you save the day from the back with a ranged weapon. Grab power of the virtuous in Virtues to gain 1% more damage for every boon you have on you…in a dungeon party you should have might and fury, thats 2% more overall dps vs extra vitality with a trait that really isnt necessary in a dungeon environment. The runes arent going to help your cause either as a boss fight can end in 2-4seconds with a half good group, so needing to keep your burns up for another 30% when you have a 6.5second burn with virtue of justice and it refreshes everytime you kill a foe with renewed justice. Also use full zerk trinkets on your right hand side of your equipment panel, you dont need extra vitality if you can dodge.

As for megastorms build hes using both scepter and torch as a set, thats a close combat off hand weapon with a ranged main hand weapon…for dungeons this is a big no no. He also has sigils of energy on his weapons for weapon swop, so that means hes losing up to 10% more dps for himself aswell as the over all party as he either doesnt know boss tells very well or just dodges when he has enough endurance. The runes of flame legion arent really good either, thats also sacrificing dps for burns that take longer to finish ticking off than a boss fight actually lasts, so that burn duration is not going to give the team or himself anything beneficial and hes traited into the toughness tree for only one beneficial thing, that being extra precision when its not needed as there should be fury in the party giving another 20% crit chance, banner of discipline and if he used scholar runes hed have 100 more ferocity.

If anything what you should take from this is that you dont need to burn to do damage, a guardian fully buffed deals more potential damage than a fully buffed warrior, its not through long burns, but pure dps from damage modifiers. The modifier that gives you 10% more dps on burning foes is enough against boss fights that last 6s with organised groups and if your fighting mobs you will be able to refresh it every time you kill something. Until conditions are buffed the burn wont help and increasing its duration for the damage modifier isnt improving your over all dps if you had scholar runes that give 10% more over all dps when health is above 90%, which should be over 80% of the fight if it only lasts 6seconds.

(edited by Scorpion Over Lord.9036)

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Posted by: Megastorm.6219

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my build is for pvp only and I also use hammer at times, and rune of the Forgeman, not flame legion. I don’t quite know how you saw my bunker setup and thought i’de use it in pve lol

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Posted by: Scorpion Over Lord.9036

Scorpion Over Lord.9036

I’ve been using something similar since the update, and it seems to work well enough to keep toying around with it.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsd7fl0ApZo9CxUI8DRR8gk1YrP9aTVBuc2RA-TVSBwAFVGFRJ4VlO32fU/BvuHQHQBUaB0cyCA8EAIFwoCjA-w

It still feels “stupid meta zerker” enough for the damage output, and lets me change out weapons and utility skills to feel like a guardian still also.

I have a total of 3 paragraphs in my comment, the 1st is a response to the OPs 2 builds he posted. The second is a response to this build that you posted as being “stupid meta zerker enough for damage” so id take that as PVE as the OP also said “all around PvE build that I run with” before posting his build, so that to me means hes going for a dungeon build, so if your saying you use a similar PVP build:

“my build is for pvp only and I also use hammer at times, and rune of the Forgeman, not flame legion. I don’t quite know how you saw my bunker setup and thought i’de use it in pve lol”

But first say it was “stupid zerk meta” im confused as to what your saying.

To sum up, my 1 paragraph was to the OP, the 2nd to you and in the 2nd i never mentioned hammer once. The build you posted as quoted contains flame legion runes with sigils of energy on the weapons or was that post 9 days ago wrong?

Either way its as i stated before, those runes for PvE arent good and the sigils are a big dps lose with weapons that only work well solo against bosses with big hit boxes.