Aegis Idea. OP or not?

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Posted by: Vitu.3580

Vitu.3580

I was thinking of a way to make Aegis more powerful. There was a recent discussion over the necessity – or lack of – to buff Aegis, and though some thought Aegis was fine as is, I still can’t help but think it needs some love.

So the idea I was thinking about was possibly making Aegis stack. For example, you could have several Aegis applied to yourself all at the the same time. I think a cap could be implemented so you can have no more than 3 applied at once to prevent 20 stacks of Aegis in Wv3 pvp or something like that.

Any ideas? Would this make Aegis to powerful?

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Posted by: Darneter.7543

Darneter.7543

It seems like something you could make your character focus on. Like healing dps or whatever use and aegis build that would make your character high defense

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Posted by: Lorana.2468

Lorana.2468

if you would go that route i would cap Aegis at 2 and no further.

it’s strong enough as is for when you need it.

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Posted by: Judas.5432

Judas.5432

Personally, I think stacks of Aegis would be too powerful. You can already re-apply it 4-5 times along with a blocking heal.

I am by no means an expert at guardian but Aegis seems pretty good as it is to me :-)

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Posted by: Vitu.3580

Vitu.3580

Personally, I think stacks of Aegis would be too powerful. You can already re-apply it 4-5 times along with a blocking heal.

I am by no means an expert at guardian but Aegis seems pretty good as it is to me :-)

The only reason I mention it is that sometimes I notice that I’ll waste an Aegis on myself to apply one to an ally, or vice versa, my ally will still have an Aegis, but I won’t so when I cast it on myself it wastes it on my ally.

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Posted by: Jay.3284

Jay.3284

Aegis is by far one of the best boons in the game. It needs no adjustment it’s fine where it is.

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Posted by: ComeAndSee.1356

ComeAndSee.1356

You can’t really take Aegis anywhere else without turning the Guardian into an actual Tanking class. It’s great in PvE. Mace #3 ftw.

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Posted by: Heinel.6548

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If aegis stacks it might mean unscathed contender needs to change. Overall I think the design intention behind Aegis is to be some sort of on/off switch mechanic, with effects that can proc on activation, active, trigger, or down.

If you think it currently isn’t an interesting thing to do, consider spec’ing for traits that give those procs, and proactively use aegis, instead of just another block button.

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Posted by: Draeka.5941

Draeka.5941

I think Aegis is perfectly fine as is—plenty of traits devoted to its use, and is a powerful tool when timed right (think blocking a downed player’s skill that would knock you back). No, it’s retaliation that needs some loving.

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Posted by: shouryuu.1428

shouryuu.1428

i would realy like to see stacking remove the previous stack. at least then it could pop a small heal, or give out some retaliation when speced. as of now its kind of waisted.

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Posted by: Vitu.3580

Vitu.3580

If aegis stacks it might mean unscathed contender needs to change. Overall I think the design intention behind Aegis is to be some sort of on/off switch mechanic, with effects that can proc on activation, active, trigger, or down.

If you think it currently isn’t an interesting thing to do, consider spec’ing for traits that give those procs, and proactively use aegis, instead of just another block button.

Oh I definitely trait for the added boons on Aegis, but that’s the only reason I ever actively use it (for the most part). I hardly ever activate VoC because I want the block. I just feel like the block mechanic associated with Aegis is almost always useless and the only time it is really beneficial is when you get lucky and time to avoid a big a hit or a CC or something like that. In dungeons Aegis often doesn’t even negate the damage of an attack or its added affects, like CCs. There is just no deliberate use for the block associated with Aegis 90% of the time.

I also don’t like that I sometimes waste the block on an Aegis because I, or an ally already has an Aegis when I apply the new one.

All-in-all I don’t think it’s a needed changed as Guardian is fine without it (for the most part). I just still feel Aegis is underwhelming and bleh.

(edited by Vitu.3580)

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Posted by: Heinel.6548

Heinel.6548

I guess my point is that if you don’t want to use it to block, then treat it as a framework, instead of a skill. Think of it as something akin to shouts, or a thief’s venom. Part of the guardian’s design is that your character will automatically react to being hit without your input. You should utilize it.

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Posted by: Svarty.8019

Svarty.8019

Aegis is quite powerful at the moment, but against multiple combatants Aegis pops away extremely quickly.

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Posted by: FWB.1704

FWB.1704

I agree with this, I’d like to see Aegis stack to 3. Or an improved Virtue of Courage passive since right now the aegis provided by VoC disappears so quickly in every fight with no control when it comes back up. With a 40 sec CD on VoC its basically a gimmick rather than a feature.
I know theres a trait for it to come up every 30 sec (….woo….) but even this doesn’t help much when you’re being hit 20 times in 30 sec (fighting 2-3 guys at once as normal in PvE). I’d say a CD of 20 sec at least to make it feel like a class feature, and it still wouldn’t be negating much damage at all compared to how much you take over the course of a skirmish.
So yes either stacking Aegis to 3 or an decreased CD would make this feel more like an actual feature rather than the illusion of a feature it is now. Remember you still won’t be negating tons of damage even if this was changed.