Guild Wars 2

I figured I’d post it here since people seemed bummed out about guardians and raiding. Hope it brings you some joy

https://youtu.be/drS6JYuuKvY

Glorious!
/15charmeta

“Guardong and Teef sucks in Raid, take Harold/Bernzirker pls” Nice joke…

Amineo.8951:

“Guardong and Teef sucks in Raid, take Harold/Bernzirker pls” Nice joke…

Suck is a relative term.

Its true however that there is absolutely nothing in the current game a guardian can do that an engineer, ele or rev cannot do better + the fact that they do more damage & provide more healing.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Amineo.8951:

“Guardong and Teef sucks in Raid, take Harold/Bernzirker pls” Nice joke…

Suck is a relative term.

Its true however that there is absolutely nothing in the current game a guardian can do that an engineer, ele or rev cannot do better + the fact that they do more damage & provide more healing.

That is the same for any other class though, not just Guardians. While I do agree some classes are more broke than others, it is the state of the game. I play both Guardian and Druid, both seem weak to me.

Unless you are running the same old broke classes or new love child, forget it. But then again, PvE in this game is kitten anyway. I mean anyone can gear up zerk and complete content. We are not talking about WoW quality of raid material…

That was fun to watch. Well prepared positions, good raid calling, good chat discipline. Only a handfull of downs and no defeats.

Amineo.8951:

“Guardong and Teef sucks in Raid, take Harold/Bernzirker pls” Nice joke…

Oh god… Look at that timer before you make such calls. They only had 25sec left while being pretty experienced by now. My first kill was near the 2min mark and it was a terribad kill.

We got it our first attempt so it wasn’t perfect, our gear wasn’t perfect, and we could have gone a bit more offensive with the setup. We probably could have killed it with over a minute left at least if we put more time and gold into it. You also have to factor in that it’s 10 of a class so your missing out on a lot of buffs and have to take suboptimal setups to fill in blanks like running hammer guards, zealous scepter, and dumplings to get might and such.

obal.3218:

We got it our first attempt so it wasn’t perfect, our gear wasn’t perfect, and we could have gone a bit more offensive with the setup. We probably could have killed it with over a minute left at least if we put more time and gold into it. You also have to factor in that it’s 10 of a class so your missing out on a lot of buffs and have to take suboptimal setups to fill in blanks like running hammer guards, zealous scepter, and dumplings to get might and such.

I realize that, and it wasn’t a totally fair comparison, but saying guardian balance is fine over this is just… ehhh.

Wish I coulda joined such an attempt tbh. Looked like lots of fun.

Yeah I agree they aren’t balanced. They don’t excel at much or anything given the content and other classes. They really need a buff. The goal here was to show that they aren’t terrible enough to insta kick like necro/ranger back in the day

cranos.5913:

Amineo.8951:

“Guardong and Teef sucks in Raid, take Harold/Bernzirker pls” Nice joke…

Oh god… Look at that timer before you make such calls. They only had 25sec left while being pretty experienced by now. My first kill was near the 2min mark and it was a terribad kill.

They still killed it, and it was a 10 Guardians team, so people should stop being toxic when they have 2 Chronos, 4 Burnzerkers, 2 Heralds, 1 Druid or something, they can accept a Guardian or Thief in their party (and Thief can even tank VG).

I think the real lesson isn’t that they are or (clearly) aren’t optimal, but that a Guardian can deliver every single tool that fight calls for. Heals, tanking, CC, Power DPS, Condi DPS, & pushes. All. Of. It. Which to me makes a skillfully played Guardian the universal fill-in for that fight. Its one of the few classes that lives up to the concept that “your profession doesn’t determine your role, it determines how you fulfill your role.”

“What are we missing? Fine, have a Guardian do it.”

I find almost every comparison of such-and-such profession does this-or-that better than Guards, ignores that a Guard can do 2-3 needful things very well with a single build even if it doesn’t match the ultimate outliers at their one thing at a time.

This is amazing. I’m going to repost it on main HoT subforum.

Nike.2631:

…. a Guardian can deliver every single tool that fight calls for. Heals, tanking, CC, Power DPS, Condi DPS, & pushes. All. Of. It….

I have to disagree somewhat. The fact that they needed one ranged guardian with magi’s and one melee guardian with clerics to cover healing indicates that guardian can’t cover healing unless it’s a duo of healers.

King Cephalopod.7942:

I have to disagree somewhat. The fact that they needed one ranged guardian with magi’s and one melee guardian with clerics to cover healing indicates that guardian can’t cover healing unless it’s a duo of healers.

He didn’t said that Guardian were the best at everyrole, only that they were able to fill any role. They was only guardian in that video, so clearly Guardian can fill most role, maybe badly, but they do. Don’t how much profession can say the same.

And the Cleric Guardian in melee was also the tank.

Thaddeus.4891:

King Cephalopod.7942:

I have to disagree somewhat. The fact that they needed one ranged guardian with magi’s and one melee guardian with clerics to cover healing indicates that guardian can’t cover healing unless it’s a duo of healers.

He didn’t said that Guardian were the best at everyrole, only that they were able to fill any role. They was only guardian in that video, so clearly Guardian can fill most role, maybe badly, but they do. Don’t how much profession can say the same.

And the Cleric Guardian in melee was also the tank.

But what I’m saying is that guardian can’t really fill the role properly, when the standard is 1 slot for healer. If your healer drops, you can’t just PM a guard substitute “roll magis get here”. You’d need someone else in the party to also run healing for either the melee or the ranged group. And since every hammerhunter in that group ran writ of persistence, that’s ~100 extra hps per head melee on top of permaprot.

From what I saw of the range group we could have just dropped the healer in that split. I wanted to play it a bit safer since I didn’t know how it would go and adjust it as needed but we got it our first attempt so I was happy with that.

Obal you rule! You should start a movement: Guardians for Raids!! woooooo!!!!!!!

King Cephalopod.7942:

Thaddeus.4891:

King Cephalopod.7942:

I have to disagree somewhat. The fact that they needed one ranged guardian with magi’s and one melee guardian with clerics to cover healing indicates that guardian can’t cover healing unless it’s a duo of healers.

He didn’t said that Guardian were the best at everyrole, only that they were able to fill any role. They was only guardian in that video, so clearly Guardian can fill most role, maybe badly, but they do. Don’t how much profession can say the same.

And the Cleric Guardian in melee was also the tank.

But what I’m saying is that guardian can’t really fill the role properly, when the standard is 1 slot for healer. If your healer drops, you can’t just PM a guard substitute “roll magis get here”. You’d need someone else in the party to also run healing for either the melee or the ranged group. And since every hammerhunter in that group ran writ of persistence, that’s ~100 extra hps per head melee on top of permaprot.

This ^ more or less as far as guardian healing goes.

Someone linked the numbers on a spreadsheet a while back and it showed that a druid easily did twice as much healing as a guardian.
Centar stance rev, Ele, engineer were not that far behind druid _(about 1.5x guardian) in that order as well.

While it may be alright for a druid to heal that much more then a guardian due to their lack of group protection/damage negation the others don’t really have an excuse.

One could argue that AEGIS is a powerful tool but since hot released that’s not so much the case anymore due to an increased amount of conditions and physical damage coming much more rapidly then it did in the base game where things had a long visible wind up.

One suggestion I have heard numerous times for how to fix this would be to change AEGIS so that it absorbs (blocks up to a point) a set amount of damage while active & has traits in various tree’s making it scale better with various stats.

This would basically allow the guardian to heal by two means
1: A low consistent healing rate with some spike heals
&
2: Damage negation scaling off of stats.

It would be similar to an ele keeping up protection except that it would not have the extremely high up time & while its up time is low it will absorb/block all damage up to a point.

When is the gorse all video up? ????

That was a good watch. Now I want to see one for every profession.

On you now Thieves – 10 man Daredevil STAT!!!

Nike.2631:

I think the real lesson isn’t that they are or (clearly) aren’t optimal, but that a Guardian can deliver every single tool that fight calls for. Heals, tanking, CC, Power DPS, Condi DPS, & pushes. All. Of. It. Which to me makes a skillfully played Guardian the universal fill-in for that fight. Its one of the few classes that lives up to the concept that “your profession doesn’t determine your role, it determines how you fulfill your role.”

“What are we missing? Fine, have a Guardian do it.”

I find almost every comparison of such-and-such profession does this-or-that better than Guards, ignores that a Guard can do 2-3 needful things very well with a single build even if it doesn’t match the ultimate outliers at their one thing at a time.

Except for boon strip. Guard has 0 boon strip. Sigil of Nullification is not a guard thing. It would be neat if for the balance patch they re-added the strip boon on burn trait somewhere, maybe on the torch trait. Or add boon strip to torch 5.

Xhyros.1340:

Nike.2631:

I think the real lesson isn’t that they are or (clearly) aren’t optimal, but that a Guardian can deliver every single tool that fight calls for. Heals, tanking, CC, Power DPS, Condi DPS, & pushes. All. Of. It. Which to me makes a skillfully played Guardian the universal fill-in for that fight. Its one of the few classes that lives up to the concept that “your profession doesn’t determine your role, it determines how you fulfill your role.”

“What are we missing? Fine, have a Guardian do it.”

I find almost every comparison of such-and-such profession does this-or-that better than Guards, ignores that a Guard can do 2-3 needful things very well with a single build even if it doesn’t match the ultimate outliers at their one thing at a time.

Except for boon strip. Guard has 0 boon strip. Sigil of Nullification is not a guard thing. It would be neat if for the balance patch they re-added the strip boon on burn trait somewhere, maybe on the torch trait. Or add boon strip to torch 5.

That could actually be rather useful against ele’s .

It would need to be fairly frequent single boon strip or strip multiple boons at once with a moderate Cd however to really be of use.

Sird.4536:

When is the gorse all video up? ????

We tried for laughs and not for very long. It went about as well as you would think. We almost got him to the last phase but we got blown up.