Guild Wars 2

They are pretty underwhelming for being a profession mechanic.

Virtue of Justice
reduce cd to 16 seconds
Unsplit the pve and pvp versions
When you use the active, the burn damage should scale with your own condi damage like Thief’s venoms, not the ally’s.

Virtue of Resolve
The scaling on the passive is rubbish, it’s half that of regeneration. It should be at least double. Make the scaling of the active equal to Wings of Resolve
Battle Presence (sharing VoR with allies) should be baseline.
-Battle Presence (new): You retain the passive effect of Virtue of Resolve when you activate it
EDIT: There’s the issue that if all guardians shared VoR, it could overwrite the application of those that build for healing power. I’m not sure if the game compares numbers, because for regen it only compares duration, not effectiveness. If that’s the case, then keep the sharing as part of Battle Presense, along with the new effect, because it’s too weak for a grandmaster trait currently.

Virtue of Courage
Passive aegis should recharge every 30 seconds baseline, 20 seconds with Indomitable Courage.

RabbitUp.8294:

Virtue of Justice
reduce cd to 16 seconds
Unsplit the pve and pvp versions
When you use the active, the burn damage should scale with your own condi damage like Thief’s venoms, not the ally’s.

This is madness, you know?

No, it’s called Guardian now has a condi build like every other class in the game.

RabbitUp.8294:

No, it’s called Guardian now has a condi build like every other class in the game.

You are talking about pve?

Yes.

Will it be that much better for pvp, though? The reduced cd is minimal, but is the 3rd change so impactful? Are you going to build condi and fight mid to share the burning? You can already do that with Thief and Ele anyway.

But I’m focusing on pve primarily, where VoJ is not good enough to build around and it might as well not be there if you are power, VoR is cheap condi removal and a weak secondary heal and VoC is only there to ruin screenshots and fuel Chocolate Omnomberry Cream.

Picking the PvP version could be enough, without CD reduction.
For PvE the VoJ active effect isn’t powerful as the passive, even with the possible shared guardian’s condition, while in PvP this could be overpowered.

In PvP the burning stacks are 3, and this can lead to a oneshot-burning chain in team fights, where you can active VoJ and then focussing a target (from 3 to 15 burning stack applied) and recharge VoJ via Radiance three on every kill.
While this can be actually possible only if there are more condition build in the guardian’s team.

To make condition guardian viable I hope (sigh!) for a Spirit Weapon’s rework, to make it permanent like Necro’s minion or useful like engi’s Kits.

Those changes would make Virtue of Justice broken when it comes to potential future elite specs.

I only agree that Battle Presence is really underwhelming. I get that this is meant to be a fun trait. But it’s just a worse version of Writ of Persistence.

Perhaps ANet should merge Absolute Resolution with Battle Presence like they did with Permeanting Wrath.

Virtue of Resolve’s effect passive is stronger and can be shared with nearby allies. Activating Virtue of Resolve removes 3 conditions from nearby allies.

remove 20% boon from staff trait and add it to inspired virtues, anything that uses retaliation is useless as well.

and yest Virtues need more team support base design even the hammer there is wrongly placed imo.
Virtue retribution needs to be something else….

If Battle Presence was permanent, doubled the passive value, and added the 600 range virtues used to have, then I’d probably consider using it. It needs a lot to contend with Indomitable Courage.

Assic.2746:

Those changes would make Virtue of Justice broken when it comes to potential future elite specs.

It wouldn’t be broken with future elite specs because you just treat it like how PvP treats it. The buff is only for Virtue of Justice and not Spear of Justice, aka the 4s burn is only when you’re not a DH and when you are a DH the passive decreases to 2s burn.

Assic.2746:

Perhaps ANet should merge Absolute Resolution with Battle Presence like they did with Permeanting Wrath.

Virtue of Resolve’s effect passive is stronger and can be shared with nearby allies. Activating Virtue of Resolve removes 3 conditions from nearby allies.

I’d be either really for this or totally against depending on whether they merged it into a 2nd or 3rd tier trait. I wouldn’t want to have to choose between the 3 condi removal or stability/stun break on f3.

Exactly what Lahmia said. Absolute Resolution is great even when you are using your virtues selfishly. And it goes great with Indomitable Courage for that reason.

Having to choose between either of those 2 would be bad. So, unless Battle Presense is merged to the master trait slot, leave them as is and buff both.

Honestly, just make the passive increase of Absolute Resolution baseline, and change the traits to this:

- Absolute Resolution: Activating Virtue of Resolve removes conditions from nearby allies. Nearby allies gain Virtue of Resolve’s passive effect.

-Battle Presense: Maintain the passive effect of your virtues when you activate them. Activating a virtue increases the duration of boons currently on you by 2 seconds.

RabbitUp.8294:

-Battle Presense: Maintain the passive effect of your virtues when you activate them. Activating a virtue increases the duration of boons currently on you by 2 seconds.

I like it by choosing to maintain the passive effect of your virtues you have to resign from picking either Permeating Wrath or Indomitable Courage. Which would make this trait balanced.

RabbitUp.8294:

They are pretty underwhelming for being a profession mechanic.

Virtue of Justice
reduce cd to 16 seconds
Unsplit the pve and pvp versions
When you use the active, the burn damage should scale with your own condi damage like Thief’s venoms, not the ally’s.

I think they should definitely be unsplit – I don’t see how PvE would be broken by giving them the PvP version.

Not sure about the cooldown reduction.

Virtue of Resolve
The scaling on the passive is rubbish, it’s half that of regeneration. It should be at least double. Make the scaling of the active equal to Wings of Resolve

Hrrrmn. I’m not sure about making the scaling of the active equal to Wings of Resolve. Wings of Resolve does have downsides.

I’m also not sure that comparing it to an actual boon is really an appropriate way of judging its strength. I would probably consider buffing it by about 50%, so that it’s still less than Wings of Resolve, but does have a bit more oomph. This would also involve buffing the passive, so that not using it is still the ‘selfish’ option.

Battle Presence (sharing VoR with allies) should be baseline.
-Battle Presence (new): You retain the passive effect of Virtue of Resolve when you activate it
EDIT: There’s the issue that if all guardians shared VoR, it could overwrite the application of those that build for healing power. I’m not sure if the game compares numbers, because for regen it only compares duration, not effectiveness. If that’s the case, then keep the sharing as part of Battle Presense, along with the new effect, because it’s too weak for a grandmaster trait currently.

Hrrrmn. I’d be inclined to leave the sharing as requiring a trait. Merging with Absolute Resolution would probably be appropriate, especially since Resolve removes conditions baseline now – this would essentially make the trait the team-friendly option.

Virtue of Courage
Passive aegis should recharge every 30 seconds baseline, 20 seconds with Indomitable Courage.

There’s an interesting interaction here:

If you have the Virtues specialisation, and you don’t have Indomitable Courage, you lose nothing (apart from having the active on cooldown) by using the active as soon as you lose the Aegis from the passive. This is because:

1) With Power of the Virtuous, Courage has a 38.25s recharge, shorter than the 40s recharge of the passive.
2) The aegis renews when Courage recharges.

Which means that if you hit Courage within a second of losing your aegis, the passive actually recharges faster. It’s probably worth speeding up the passive a bit so that isn’t the case.

Your proposal does seem like it might be a bit too much with Indomitable Courage – maybe 25s instead?

draxynnic.3719:

Hrrrmn. I’m not sure about making the scaling of the active equal to Wings of Resolve. Wings of Resolve does have downsides.

Wings of Resolve base healing is already 240% higher than VoR, ignoring the scaling. Being instant doesn’t excuse such low numbers.

Just making the scaling equal is more than fair. Even if you have 1800 healing power, that’s only 800 more healing than before.

Ah, so you were previously referring just to scaling with increasing healing power? That’s probably reasonable, then. What I was suggesting was probably actually going further.