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Posted by: Adam Of Awesome.7802

Adam Of Awesome.7802

Thank you everyone for your constructive feedback

Here is a link to the 3.0 build
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Blessed-Guardian-3-0/first#post3242930

Take a look!

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Posted by: Prevvy.1936

Prevvy.1936

I’m sorry but this build is next to useless in WvW. 1400 toughness and no stability/stun breaker? Also Bow of Truth? Less than 1k power? No point stacking healing power and boon duration if you can’t survive a fight. There is so much wrong with this build I don’t even… Don’t believe me? run those spec in WvW and report back (FYI, I’m rank 456, Bronze Colonel on my Guardian)

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Posted by: Adam Of Awesome.7802

Adam Of Awesome.7802

I’m sorry but this build is next to useless in WvW. 1400 toughness and no stability/stun breaker? Also Bow of Truth? Less than 1k power? No point stacking healing power and boon duration if you can’t survive a fight. There is so much wrong with this build I don’t even… Don’t believe me? run those spec in WvW and report back (FYI, I’m rank 456, Bronze Colonel on my Guardian)

Power is an irrelevant stat for this build.

I have run this spec in WvW and I rarely die. Even with more than 10 people attacking me… and if they do kill me. It takes a while (enough even for me to run across a quarter-half the map) You can change the utilities. Also if you want a build with toughness and power than use the Guardian Commando build by Nymx. I use it on my other guardian it works fine as a hybrid.

Rank doesn’t mean that much since it takes no actual skill to get it… just time. Like any other game.

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Posted by: Arthos Ravron.3796

Arthos Ravron.3796

I don’t know why but someone who knows what his PC components are kinda makes me believe him more.

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Posted by: fadeaway.2807

fadeaway.2807

I wish people wouldn’t post builds like this. It makes me feel that my own improvement in wvw and gvg might not be because we’re getting better but in fact because more enemies are running horrible builds.

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Posted by: pejot.4806

pejot.4806

You don’t do the basic thing, that support focused guardian should do – there is not a single bit of stability in your build – you don’t use neither SYG nor Indomitable Courage, despite going 30 into Virtues. You use bow to remove conditions, instead of traiting Superior Aria and Pure of Voice, which does hte work way better (why would anyone pick Battle Presence over PoV is beyond me )

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Posted by: username.4932

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Yep i confirm almost useless in WvW, symbols and spirit bow gameplay is too static to be of any use in WvW plus skills doesn’t scale enough with healing power to be worth it even at 2200 healing power. The only thing that scale well is the dodge heal.

This is exactly the feedback we gave to anet, healing power is almost useless because underpowered and nothing except dodge scale enough with it.

Anyway i would love to use this build again but in the current state it has very little value.

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Posted by: Silver.8023

Silver.8023

Sup Adam of Awesome, I’ve noticed you tend to like heavy support builds, the only real problem with them is that they tend to hit like a wet noodle. I’ve made a build that you might like, it doesn’t have as much boon duration as yours but it uses fury pretty well and stacks up a fair bit of power to do, what I would consider, respectable damage for a massive healing power build. It still keeps a close to 100% uptime on vigour if you’re worried about that.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Honour-Guard-General-support-tank-build/first#post3212899

I’ve since switched the sigil in the shield to stamina to give it a try, in pve it’s pretty insane how many dodges you can get with it. You almost can’t dodge fast enough.

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Posted by: urieldhynne.2743

urieldhynne.2743

I agree with all.

In a hammer train meta you have no group stability. You should run indomitable courage and SYG with that build. And your toughness is pretty low too for a hard zerg fight.

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Posted by: Amins.3710

Amins.3710

Try this: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQNAW5elcgKDXFSLEm4ES2DRKBRQsHYE8tRXFSIA-jwCB4NERzUDQ0HDZOJiIaNNCsMMsVXRr8KIqGYaVER1OFFRrWGAmFA-e

Also, you can see a similiar build I run here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf-NW6Q0FIo

Your build will work for small organzied guild groups. Once you start getting into the 20v40’s, you really need to tank it up w/ a 0/0/30/30/10 build as our role is front line damage soakers and keep stability/protection/regen up on the front line… wheither you’re DPS or Bunker.. you’re still heavy front liners w/ a specific role.

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Posted by: Prevvy.1936

Prevvy.1936

I’m sorry but this build is next to useless in WvW. 1400 toughness and no stability/stun breaker? Also Bow of Truth? Less than 1k power? No point stacking healing power and boon duration if you can’t survive a fight. There is so much wrong with this build I don’t even… Don’t believe me? run those spec in WvW and report back (FYI, I’m rank 456, Bronze Colonel on my Guardian)

Power is an irrelevant stat for this build.

I have run this spec in WvW and I rarely die. Even with more than 10 people attacking me… and if they do kill me. It takes a while (enough even for me to run across a quarter-half the map) You can change the utilities. Also if you want a build with toughness and power than use the Guardian Commando build by Nymx. I use it on my other guardian it works fine as a hybrid.

Rank doesn’t mean that much since it takes no actual skill to get it… just time. Like any other game.

I shared this with a fellow guardian and we had a good laugh The problem with your build is that it looks like a exercise in how much healing and boon duration you can stack without consideration for practicality. This might have looked good on paper for you but in WvW this build achieves very little and given the traits you picked for this build I doubt you spent much time in WvW as a guardian.
Sorry if I’m coming off as bit mean but lying about 10 players attacking you and not dying is a bit far fetched no? Also mentioning my rank wasn’t a show of skill but to show the time and commitment I put into playing guardian

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Posted by: Kraljevo.2801

Kraljevo.2801

I like it when people try different things, I really do. However, this build is not very good.

- Spirit weapons are not useful anymore after the nerf, and there are way better ways to cure conditions. (e.g. Purging flames)
- 2.6k armor? Sure, everyone has different preferences but IMHO you should aim for at least 3k armor. It will make a huge difference, paired with strength in numbers. Why am I saying this? If 2 or 3 DECENT people focus you, you will die quite fast with 2.6k armor. Your high healing power won’t compensate the burst dmg you get.
- Signet of mercy can be useful in certain situations, but as you say, you are a support guardian. I recommend you to change the signet with a consecration or another shout.
- Additionally, your power is soooo low. I know that you focus on supporting your allies and heal them. However, with 2k attack you are not going to hit like a wet noodle, you are going to hit for even worse than that.

With a full clerics gear, boon duration runes and 30 in virtues you are going to have about 1650 healing power with the sigil of life, 2900-3000 power (with sharpening stones), 3k armor and 75% boon duration, and 15k health which is absolutely enough for WvW.

All guardians that say 15k health (16.5k health with the wvw bonus + 2.5k health with the guard leech so thats 19k!) is too low should learn to play. It’s all about the positioning. If you get focused, pop a wall of reflection or sanctuary and heal yourself up. Of course that depends on the situation

If your build works for you, Adam, then go for it, although I recommend you to swap to clerics gear or mix n match with soldiers for more hp, whatever.

my 2 cents.

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Posted by: Tongku.5326

Tongku.5326

Yep i confirm almost useless in WvW, symbols and spirit bow gameplay is too static to be of any use in WvW plus skills doesn’t scale enough with healing power to be worth it even at 2200 healing power. The only thing that scale well is the dodge heal.

This is exactly the feedback we gave to anet, healing power is almost useless because underpowered and nothing except dodge scale enough with it.

Anyway i would love to use this build again but in the current state it has very little value.

I ran a dodge heal build for a little bit, it turned out to be nearly worthless for me as I tend to run frontline. I can kinda see it for the backline support, but not frontline, 1 null field or well of corruption couples with binding roots or any other immob negates the entire build, hence making it pointless. Even for the backline, there are so many other far better options available and with added flexibility.

You can kinda do OK when just text pugging vs other text pugs, but even then you still get owned. Anything organized and this is entirely worthless.

In this build, same as others, the bow is just useless. Only spirit weapon I ever used that was really usefull, was actually the shield, thats when pushing through choke points, if you time it right and drop it on the choke as everyone runs through it is just barely OK, as even the shield itself dies from the AOE, still not worth it vs other options we have at our disposal.

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Posted by: Maladon.5760

Maladon.5760

I ran a dodge heal build for a little bit, it turned out to be nearly worthless for me as I tend to run frontline. I can kinda see it for the backline support, but not frontline, 1 null field or well of corruption couples with binding roots or any other immob negates the entire build, hence making it pointless. Even for the backline, there are so many other far better options available and with added flexibility.

Something tells me you’re doing it wrong…

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Posted by: Maladon.5760

Maladon.5760

This builds aim is to be mainly support while being as survivable as possible. The idea is to might stack allies to make up for your lost DPS too. Its uses are mainly for WvWvW but is would have its uses in some PvE content.

I like what you’re trying to do Adam, I appreciate people who think outside of the box. I’d also like to say you should absolutely ignore all the people in this thread who are telling you what you should be doing in WvW.

I can see how your dodge heals and empower would heal for a really nice amount and the boon duration is impressive. I think some of the advice in this thread is worth taking however. Stability for example is something that could really benefit you and your allies, particularly with the very long durations you could impart. Additionally, considering all your boon duration bonuses, perhaps you should look into more skills that grant boons like Stand Your Ground and maybe Save Yourselves.

Your armor is a little low and your hit points are a little high for my tastes. I prefer 3.2k+ armor and run with around 15k base hits. If you had higher toughness you could drop Strength in Numbers and go with Purity to supplement condi removal. Bottom line though, with the amount of healing and long duration buffs you’re throwing around I’m pretty sure you’re pulling your weight.

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Posted by: Adam Of Awesome.7802

Adam Of Awesome.7802

I like what you’re trying to do Adam, I appreciate people who think outside of the box. I’d also like to say you should absolutely ignore all the people in this thread who are telling you what you should be doing in WvW.

Thank you but I have been taking in their criticism. I already improved it

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Posted by: Adam Of Awesome.7802

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I’m sorry but this build is next to useless in WvW. 1400 toughness and no stability/stun breaker? Also Bow of Truth? Less than 1k power? No point stacking healing power and boon duration if you can’t survive a fight. There is so much wrong with this build I don’t even… Don’t believe me? run those spec in WvW and report back (FYI, I’m rank 456, Bronze Colonel on my Guardian)

Power is an irrelevant stat for this build.

I have run this spec in WvW and I rarely die. Even with more than 10 people attacking me… and if they do kill me. It takes a while (enough even for me to run across a quarter-half the map) You can change the utilities. Also if you want a build with toughness and power than use the Guardian Commando build by Nymx. I use it on my other guardian it works fine as a hybrid.

Rank doesn’t mean that much since it takes no actual skill to get it… just time. Like any other game.

I shared this with a fellow guardian and we had a good laugh The problem with your build is that it looks like a exercise in how much healing and boon duration you can stack without consideration for practicality. This might have looked good on paper for you but in WvW this build achieves very little and given the traits you picked for this build I doubt you spent much time in WvW as a guardian.
Sorry if I’m coming off as bit mean but lying about 10 players attacking you and not dying is a bit far fetched no? Also mentioning my rank wasn’t a show of skill but to show the time and commitment I put into playing guardian

I wasn’t lying… There are other guardian builds that can achieve it too. Look on utube