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Posted by: Alchymista.8192

Alchymista.8192

how can gaurd give 12stacks of burning instantly.. and reapeat it just how he wants..
this game seems balanced

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Posted by: rbbthole.9074

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how can gaurd give 12stacks of burning instantly.. and reapeat it just how he wants..

Yeah how? Please tell me if you figure it!

ps: just go away man.. go the kitten away.. after I seen the berserker I can seriously win a perma ban..

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Did you know that you need to stay immobile and without a single dodge/evade/blind/block/immunity/clean skill to make the guardian inflict 13 stack of burn on you? (4 skills that inflict burn also proc the F1 passive, adding 1 more XD).

And did you know that torch skill 4 can be evaded just by jump it? XD

And that a guardian can do a burn burst but then it’s skills go in cooldown, half of them for 28-34 seconds, making it have a hard time to stack burn more than 5-6?

Yes, is hard fight a burning guardian. But wait a moment that it inflict all the burn he can then active your clean skill and kill him easy. You can also send back burn witbh different classes skills and with the sigil of generosity.

Actually the burning guardian is the worst build for guardians. That’s why a good player with at last 2 condicleanskill can kill you easy. If there’s a guardian or a warrior with shouts/warhorn or a necro witht he signet your burn damage will drop to 0 in a second.

Burn is good, but a burning guardian have not good chance to build up might then burn don’t become Op like for the elementalists.

It’s only a l2p issue, nothing more.

I “never” lose against a condi guardian in 1vs1 why I know it’s really easy to counter.

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Posted by: Alchymista.8192

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spvp.. he went to cap our point, i chased him to stop him, he dropped some aoe circle(was expecting knockback cuz i thought it is hammer circle), he looked at me for a 1 sec, then he ran to point and did nothing, i realised i have burning,, but not one but 12, he didnt even use torch, that burning was dealing ~4.8k every sec..
end of my story

my condi clean skill have one sec cast time

every time i came to him, he did this, even when i immediate cure it, he did at least 5stacks again, with my 15k hp its gg

+ rly didnt know i can evade torch burn with just jumping(seems like even worse mechanic then FT on stairs)

+ iam so mad about this cuz ive never seen neither in pve 12stacks of burning.. and not without casting andalmost instant 12stacks

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Posted by: Ezrael.6859

Ezrael.6859

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

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Posted by: Aeolus.3615

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spvp.. he went to cap our point, i chased him to stop him, he dropped some aoe circle(was expecting knockback cuz i thought it is hammer circle), he looked at me for a 1 sec, then he ran to point and did nothing, i realised i have burning,, but not one but 12, he didnt even use torch, that burning was dealing ~4.8k every sec..
end of my story

my condi clean skill have one sec cast time

every time i came to him, he did this, even when i immediate cure it, he did at least 5stacks again, with my 15k hp its gg

+ rly didnt know i can evade torch burn with just jumping(seems like even worse mechanic then FT on stairs)

+ iam so mad about this cuz ive never seen neither in pve 12stacks of burning.. and not without casting andalmost instant 12stacks

It looks like ur killing yourself, and being barbequed.
Yes fire is strong atm, and it looks will be stronger on berserker.
Try to jump+dodge at same time when concecration/red circle apears.

1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.

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Posted by: Alchymista.8192

Alchymista.8192

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

so it gives another 3 stacks each time i cross border?

why jump and dodge at the same time? how can jumping help me with avoiding something.. or are there more toch-like mechanics?

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

Fashion Mage.3712

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

That’s not how Purging Flames works. >v>
You cast it once, and upon casting, it inflicts burning in the area and cleanses conditions. After that it just decreases condition duration.

Burning guardians are kind of a cheese build. If you have enough condition cleansing then they won’t do much, but if you don’t you’ll die rather quickly.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

If you’re a thief (15k hp + 1 sec to clean a condition? thief right?), you can’t win against a condition damage class with 15k hp and only one and slow condi clean skill. In that situation double tap at random with the skill 2 of the sword and you clean 1 condition in 1/2 sec easy every time you want, making the guardian unable to deal good damage to you why after that burst he can’t inflict good burning anymore.

Burn is strong, but guardian isn’t the best class to use it.
And to inflict 12 stack of burn with only Purging flames and judges intervention he had to hit you 18 times in 2 seconds to stack 6 burn.. there’s something wrong…
If you been unlucky he had activated passively the trait to be in zealot’s flame, but that need to stay really close to the enemy and last only 3 seconds, inflicting 3 burn.

You faced him in melee more than “1 seconds” to recive all that burn, expecially if the guardian had the hammer (you sayd you’d expected the hammer circle).

A thief can’t kill a direct damage guardina, that can deal 11k of damage to a berserker thief in 3/4 of a sec with a single skill. If you fight a condi guardian that you know that can stack burn and you fight melee making him hit you free, it’s shure that you die.

You will die against anyone if you let the enemy attack you with the same amount of skills that a guardian need to stack up 12 stack of burn.

Then, if the guardian burn look OP, let’s try against a condi ele: the ele can stack burn more or less easy like with the guardian, frequently better, but can also stack up 25 might, making it’s burn deal 50% more damage than the burn of a guardian condition.

You will be able to recive 7.3k/sec from a elementalist that stack 12 burn on you.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

how can gaurd give 12stacks of burning instantly.. and reapeat it just how he wants..
this game seems balanced

Adapting to change is a hell of a thing Ay?

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

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Burning guardians are kind of a cheese build. If you have enough condition cleansing then they won’t do much, but if you don’t you’ll die rather quickly.

Pretty much this. And I’m pretty confident that it’ll get overshadowed by Berserker Warriors once HoT is out, because Anet briefly forgot that Warriors are supposed to be better at being Guardians than Guardians when shoutbow got nerfed and have to make up for it elsewhere.

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Posted by: Manimarco Devil.1790

Manimarco Devil.1790

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

That’s not how Purging Flames works.
You cast it once, and upon casting, it inflicts burning in the area and cleanses conditions. After that it just decreases condition duration.

Actually you are the one who is incorrect, Purging flames does all that but it also summons a ring of fire. Crossing the ring gives 3 stacks of burning just like the ele skill.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

That’s not how Purging Flames works.
You cast it once, and upon casting, it inflicts burning in the area and cleanses conditions. After that it just decreases condition duration.

Actually you are the one who is incorrect, Purging flames does all that but it also summons a ring of fire. Crossing the ring gives 3 stacks of burning just like the ele skill.

That’s correct and incorrect at the same time:
Purging flames inflict 3 stack of burn when casted on the enemy and when the enemy cross it. BUT if the enemy is affected by it one time it will no more be affected by it.
You cast PF on a enemy and he can move in, out and cross the firefield like he want why he already received the 3 stack of burn. The same if it’s aleady there and he cross it.

PF actually can’t inflict more than 3 stack of burn.
It can be a unfixed bug or there can be a really high internal cooldown that we don’t know.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

spvp.. he went to cap our point, i chased him to stop him, *he dropped some aoe circle(was expecting knockback cuz i thought it is hammer circle), he looked at me for a 1 sec, then he ran to point and did nothing, i realised i have burning,, but not one but 12, he didnt even use torch, that burning was dealing ~4.8k every sec..
end of my story

my condi clean skill have one sec cast time

every time i came to him, he did this, even when i immediate cure it, he did at least 5stacks again, with my 15k hp its gg

+ rly didnt know i can evade torch burn with just jumping(seems like even worse mechanic then FT on stairs)

+ iam so mad about this cuz ive never seen neither in pve 12stacks of burning.. and not without casting andalmost instant 12stacks

Huge l2p issue considering you have no idea what kind of burn skills we have. But we can help you outplay the next burn guard in the future. What class do you play?

Purging Flames
If he drops the ring on you, thats 3 stacks and you receive 3 stacks everytime you walk in or out. You would of had to walked in and out of PF 4 times to receive 12 stacks of burns. If he ever casts this again, Cleanse the first 3 burn stack as it is his longest burn skill, then dodge roll out of the ring.

Judges Intervention
Teleports to you and applies 3 stacks. The only counter is a condi cleanse. Sometimes guards like to use another skill with it to guarantee a hit. Cleanse it.

Zealot’s Fire
The easiest to spot and avoid.

Guards with GS
DON’T get caught in PF when he uses his GS. Every hit with WW will proc burns. Unless you want 14 stacks of burns, I recommend you to avoid being in PF at all costs.

And that’s burn guards in a nutshell. Don’t concentrate on cleansing our F1 procs as you’re nore concerned about PF/JI/Zealot’s Flame. If you same your dodge rolls and condi cleanses for those, burn guards will hit you like a wet noodle.

That’s not say ‘good’ burn guards won’t realize what you’re trying to do and improvise. Unless he gets the drop on you first. you should still have an advantage.

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Posted by: Alchymista.8192

Alchymista.8192

the problem is not with my cure condi..
the problem is when gaurd gives me, lets say 5stack of burn.. it hurts.. so i imediatly cure it but then he apply on me another stacks.. and with his blocking skills and elite, i cant kill him that fast.. lets say..
on engi i use heal turret to cure it.. but then when he apply again i have nothing more to cure again..
on thief i have traited invis to cure.. but then it has internal cd 3sec
on mesm i use traited torch to cure.. but then if i switch weapons, i cant cure again
on ranger trap heal skill..

this skills, cure bigger amount of condi at once, but then they have long cd.. but this gaurd gives only one condi.. and he keep stacking it (feels like) forever
why i dont have more condi cure skills? because i dont need them.. i dont need any more condi cleans against any other class(i dont say i win everything)
but what i am supposed to do against this..

i played against guardians which burned me and it hurt.. but they dropped Purging Flames and teleport skill and that was all.. when i cure once or dodge his first burst dmg.. iam ok then.. but this full burn guard or what is it.. he just stack again and again.. he dont even deal dmg, he just used something to burn and that was all..

anyway, i always had problem to predict guard movements cuz of his burst dmg and teleport skill and its rly hard for me to dodge his aoe skills which give burning.. and once he gives stacks it imediatle start giving dmg.. and it takes a one-two seconds to cure it, which means (lets say)2 ticks.. so he put me on half hp only on initiation..

but ty for all this tips and info how does this burn guard skills work..

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

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I would say it’s a 50/50 matchup for thieves and engis to win vs guards. Though, most thieves and engi’s indeed have more issues than guardians do in this matchup but that’s because they’re harder to master than the Guardian class is.

In reality, thief should win the fight every time considering they can reset the fight with his stealths. Engi’s should win considering they can kite, block and cc the crap out of us. It all depends on how well they play and how well they know the Guardian’s abilities.

If the Guard lands his burst abilities and you don’t cleanse, it’s going to be rough trying to get back into the fight. That’s with any class… with the exception of cele d/d ele and some signet necros.

I highly recommend making a guardian and try to understand why you’re losing as badly as you have been. I had to do this in the past against other classes just to understand basic class mechanics. You can delete the class afterwards if you don’t plan on keeping him like I did :)

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Posted by: Ezrael.6859

Ezrael.6859

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

That’s not how Purging Flames works.
You cast it once, and upon casting, it inflicts burning in the area and cleanses conditions. After that it just decreases condition duration.

Actually you are the one who is incorrect, Purging flames does all that but it also summons a ring of fire. Crossing the ring gives 3 stacks of burning just like the ele skill.

That’s correct and incorrect at the same time:
Purging flames inflict 3 stack of burn when casted on the enemy and when the enemy cross it. BUT if the enemy is affected by it one time it will no more be affected by it.
You cast PF on a enemy and he can move in, out and cross the firefield like he want why he already received the 3 stack of burn. The same if it’s aleady there and he cross it.

PF actually can’t inflict more than 3 stack of burn.
It can be a unfixed bug or there can be a really high internal cooldown that we don’t know.

This is completely wrong, you really need to do some testing or gain awareness of our skills before writing disinformation like this.

Purging will apply 3 stacks of Burning to anyone that crosses it, in or out. No ICD.
If you start inside it +3, walk out +3 and walk back in +3 you will have 9 stacks.

Did Silv and Fashion Mage not see the video of the Golem + Purging Flames + Mallyx displacement?…

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Posted by: x indigo x.6981

x indigo x.6981

Stop running in and out of the Purging Flames, you did this to yourself with a lack of awareness.

That’s not how Purging Flames works.
You cast it once, and upon casting, it inflicts burning in the area and cleanses conditions. After that it just decreases condition duration.

Actually you are the one who is incorrect, Purging flames does all that but it also summons a ring of fire. Crossing the ring gives 3 stacks of burning just like the ele skill.

That’s correct and incorrect at the same time:
Purging flames inflict 3 stack of burn when casted on the enemy and when the enemy cross it. BUT if the enemy is affected by it one time it will no more be affected by it.
You cast PF on a enemy and he can move in, out and cross the firefield like he want why he already received the 3 stack of burn. The same if it’s aleady there and he cross it.

PF actually can’t inflict more than 3 stack of burn.
It can be a unfixed bug or there can be a really high internal cooldown that we don’t know.

If that’s how you think Purging Flames works then you ought to blame no one for dying to burn guard.. You’re not understanding teh mechanic of the skill that you’re complaining about. Purging flames applies 3 stacks of burning on inital cast and then it applies 3 stacks of burning to the enemy that crosses it without cooldown or limit. So if you’re getting more than 6 stacks of burning on you out of purging flames, literally and unequivocally it’s your own fault for walking in and out of it multiple times.

Advice to counter purging flames:
- Don’t cross out of the ring if you’re inside of it. It’s safe to stay inside as it does NOT pulse burning over time. It only applies burning on the initial application and when you cross the ring

- Don’t cross into the ring if you’re outside of it. If you must cross it to finish an enemy, make sure you have a condi clear ready or ressistance or condi immunity or crossing it with the intention of sending the burns back to the guard or someone else.

- If you MUST cross the ring (inwards or outwards), DODGE through the ring. Dodging through the ring does NOT apply burning to you.

Seriously purging flames has the easiest telegraph and the most noticable ring. If you see it don’t cross it. It makes it so the guardian burning is basically based on how incomptenet his opponent is. If you understand the skill and can work your way around it, it could do 0 damage to you. If not , it has the potential to stack 40 stacks of burning if you keep crossing it over and over and over. The guardian doesn’t have much CC to force into you or out of it. Burn guards don’t spec even for the little CC they my have. Basically making you in control of when to cross the ring and not in the control of the guardian.

summery:
If you don’t understand how a skill work, look it up , read about it, ask about it, take it to pvp witha friend and test it. Most of the time it’s not enough to understand your own class but also to know thy enemy.

Hope this helps anyone having problems with Purging flames on Guardian or Ring of Fire on ele.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Hahaha sorry, I write a unwanted lie. That can be why I don’t use it on my burn build and/or why I’ve never see a good player gain more than 3 stack of burn by my Purging Flames.

Anyway…

Alchymista, do you play all the builds of the game that can’t clean conditions?

“on engi i use heal turret to cure it.. but then when he apply again i have nothing more to cure again..
on thief i have traited invis to cure.. but then it has internal cd 3sec
on mesm i use traited torch to cure.. but then if i switch weapons, i cant cure again
on ranger trap heal skill..”

-Engi is basicly weak against ALL condition class, not only guardian burn. You can use the elixir C, the trait that convert conditions and the one that make use and throw a elixir clean a condition (all 2 minor traits that you obtain immediatly when chose the alchemy traitline.
-Thief can use Invis cure, the teleport skill and the sword skill 2 to clean conditions. But if you don’t use that or use only one of that you will always be weack against ALL condition damage builds.
-Mesmer have a lot of ways to clean conditions. Torch, mantra (but no one use it), traited Shatters and the one that give all the conditions back to the enemy (really useful to kill a guardian with its burn stacks).
-Ranger trapper have 0 condi clean skills. But if you use the survival trait you obtain a large amount of condi removal skills (heal+elite+lightin reflex and you altready have 3 condi clean that clear 2 conditions each, with 2 slot for traps, signets or other survival). There’s also the signet, but frequently work bad why it’s bounded to your pet. And you can use shout with trooper rune, but only if you play the beastmaster build and only few players use it.

Seriously: do you want to kill a pure condition build with more or less NO condition clean skills?
It’s a joke, right?

If your problem is the condition damage, there’s a way for every class to reduce the problem.If you want more defence you have to chose a more defensive way to fight. You can try different builds or weapons (expecially for the thief that can clean a lot of conditions with the sword skill 2, expecially good against a class that inflict only one condition like the guardian)

And condition builds will always inflict more condition than what you can clean but it’s supposed to happen why they also need to deal damage…

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Posted by: x indigo x.6981

x indigo x.6981

And condition builds will always inflict more condition than what you can clean but it’s supposed to happen why they also need to deal damage…

^ pretty much this .. condi cleansing was never meant to keep up with condi application. Otherwise condi builds will never be used. It’s meant to REDUCE it not ELIMINATE it.

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

Spartacus.3192

L2P

That is all

Your typical average gamer -
“Buff my main class, nerf everything else. "

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Posted by: Aggrostemma.1703

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I tell you something:

As a burn guardian I have somewhere between zero and nil chance to win against a thief who uses Generosity Sigil. Virtually none.

A condi guardian is basically hard-countered by a thief who uses Generosity and even a hybrid has hard time since the thief can turn the JI or the PF against them.

(laying down a PF , the thief walks out-in, teleport, BAMM, 9 stack burn on me…)

Sorry to say (I think this is the first time I write this down on this forum…)

This is a L2P issue :S

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Posted by: Thaddeus.4891

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the problem is not with my cure condi..
the problem is when gaurd gives me, lets say 5stack of burn.. it hurts.. so i imediatly cure it but then he apply on me another stacks.. and with his blocking skills and elite, i cant kill him that fast.. lets say..
on engi i use heal turret to cure it.. but then when he apply again i have nothing more to cure again..
on thief i have traited invis to cure.. but then it has internal cd 3sec
on mesm i use traited torch to cure.. but then if i switch weapons, i cant cure again
on ranger trap heal skill..

So basically you are saying that the only counter to condition is a condition removal? No dodge, interrupt, etc?

On Thief you can use the Trick trait and the sigil of generosity. You gonna eat burning guardian for breakfast with that.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

a lot of people say that but I rarely lose on my burning guard 1 v 1 and I can go up to 16 stacks of burning really ez but thats a noobish way to play plus perma zealots fire is kittening nice condi cleanse or not your are going to have 3-4 stacks of burn on you at anytime I got almost 2k condi damage and 3 stacks is 4k/tic not to mention blocking applies burning and spirit hammer is realllly useful

Everson, what’s the last time you played a guardian condition? O.o
4k/tick with 3 stack of burn? Are you serious??? To inflict 4k/sec with 3 stack of burn you need more or less 10k of condition damage! XD

Perma zealot fire? You can have it frequently, but it’s really easy to evade and if you don’t active it is a really useless skill, making you having it “all the time” but dealing no damage, and you can active it’s active effect only with a equipped thorch, then if you swap you have only the passive effect, that last 3 sec and inflicting 1 burn/sec for 3 sec only if the enemy stay melee.

Spirit Hammer? What’s your build? it’s “good”, but you need to have Zeal Traitline to make it inflict burn, reducing your effectiveness with the condition build why you lose one of the 3 most powerfull traitlines to inflict burn of the guardian. And if you don’t use it that inflict burn but only the basic skill.. you’ve find a lot of really bad enemies to win with that build…
A enemy that see the summoned hammer simply destroy it with some AoE or spend a second and a good dps skill and then you lost a slotskill only to inflict a single stun to the enemy, easy to break.

What’s your build? I really want to know what’s your build to know you play.

About that 16 stack of burn, it can be true. Purging Flames x2, Junde’s Intervention, Purging Flames +a gs2 or sword3 skill and you reach the 16 stack of burn.
Then you’re useful like a platipus into the desert why all your dps is gone to inflict 16 stack to a enemy that clean it and kill you easy why you’ve no more skills to deal damage.

And 3 stack of burn is more or less 1k/sec of damage. A common dps class can inflict more than 2k/sec really easy and can burst you down with very big skills that inflict a incredible damage.

Condition Guardian is good, but only against bad and mediocre players or classes/builds basicly weak against condition damage.

Is an00b class against other n00b class. If you play it in ranked you will know that to make it work you need to be more skilled than a common dps guardian.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Eversor, you’re a Troll, right? That’s the only possible reason. Admit that: you’re trolling us all…

Seriously, how much Condition Damage do you have, Eversor?
I play with Carrion and rune of Balthazar, making my condition damage 1370. Looking easy to my Judge’s Intervention because inflict 3 stack of burn that last for 5 sec and inflcit exactly 4750 damage. It’s legger than 1k/sec. With 3 stack.
I play Radiance Valor Virtue. But if I chose to remove Virtues, for example, and put Zeal that increase the condition damage based on Power (I’ve a lot of Power with Carrion amulet), put on the pvp-useless sigil of corruption and add 25 stack of might, my condition damage go up to 2640 and my Judge’s Intervention damage go up to 7640.
I’ve used ALL I CAN DO To power up the Damage of Burn, an amount of might and sigil stack that I will Never See in sPvP and my Burn damage is still lesser than what yuo say…

You can add 9-12% damage if you use all the skills that inflict wilnerability by trait, reaching more or less 8350 condition damage in 5 seconds with 3 stack of burn.

It’s at the best of all the thing that you can do and you can inflict lesser than 2k/sec with 3 stack of burn, with a totally improbable/impossible situation.

4k/sec with 3 stack of burn? seriously, we play the same game?

Then, yes, I can stack 18-19 stack of burn if I really want, using all my skills perfectly. But you’re fighting a enemy that more or less know how to press V and dodge, know how to block a skill, active a cleaning skill or simply hit you hard forcing you to defend instead of attack.
If someone let you hit him without do something to stop you and without use a X skill that block/blind/evade/dodge/immune/clean your attacks and burn he Deserve to Die in Pain Burned Alive!

And after I use all my active and passive skills, I will have no longer other skills to inflict burn to another player or to the same player if he clean/block/immune/resist my burn, making me really easy to kill and unable to inflict damage.

Ok, hammer don’t stun but knokn down, does it make any difference? The effect is Exactly the Same.

And, seriously, how can a hammer knockdown Interrupt stealth? There’s only 2 skills on the game that give stealth that you can interrupt: mesmer elite skill why have a long cast and thief’s Shadow Refige, that have 1/4 sec of casting, something that you really can’t interrupt whi you can’t barely see when the thief will cast it. All the other stealth skills are Istant then you’re unable to interrupt it’s use.

If you say about Knock down a thief while it’s in stealt, Hammer of Winsdom Command Skill need a target TO BE LANDED, then if the enemy go in stealth you lose the target, the hammer come back to you and you can’t land your AoE KnockDown skill, making it useless. And if you’re talking about the thie’f combo of pistol 5 + leap to obtain stealth, it’s not really a skill, it’s a combo.
(Anyway do you really need to use the hammer of winsdom against thiefs to win????)

About the stun it can be ok with anything that is Not Stealth. You’ve really chose the wrong example ever. Expecially why when someone go in stealty you’r hammer become totally useless.

About Zealot’s Fire and Flashing Blades I don’t understand you’re example… It’s totally wrong!
If someone Dodge your attack you can hit him with 1000000000000000000 skills and he will still evade every single skill during the dodge! That theory can work only if the themy have a active/passive block or you have a blind to “remove” before your Zealot’s Fire hit. If the enemy dodge he will dodge both your skills.

Seriously: are you a troll?

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

Just wanted to share my WvW experience to help players getting better but people like you really don’t deserve this kind of knowledge so I’ve deleted every post I made and I will leave you in your ignorance so I won’t get trolled any further by stoopid people like you

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

I’m talking about sPvP and you about WvsW.
It’s like Another PvP!!!

Specificate that thing can make the difference, guy!

In www I don’t think that a hammer of winsdom can work, but if you’r experience say different, I’ve not the knowledge about www.

But always HoW can’t be activated against a stealth player…

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Anyway in www if full ascended you can reach a base od 1450 condition damage, more or less 100 more than in spvp, plus 100 by food make it 1550 (more or less).
It’s 200 of difference, making a low more damage.

But still I don’t know how you can inflict 4k/sec with 3 stack of burn…

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Posted by: rbbthole.9074

rbbthole.9074

Just wanted to share my WvW experience

Don’t do it if you have no clue about the class you are talking about

to help players getting better but people like you really don’t deserve this kind of knowledge

LOL and LOL

so I’ve deleted every post I made and I will leave you in your ignorance so I won’t get trolled any further by stoopid people like you

You are so polite man, nice to see you leaving.. cya

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

the kd is to prevent them from going stealth…and the hammer will command even if the guy is stealth if you did the command just before he went stealth just like on ranger with Rapid fire …and I don’t use the hammer to tank a zerg I use it only to interrupt or PREVENT some1 to go stealth even if it’s only once I can assure you it’s worth it I’m almost full dire+ undead rune so I’m tanky as hell and I nearly got 2k condi full stack….but seriously my build works really fine for me I got he skills to play it like that not every build can suit everyone and a poor player playing meta will still being kitten d if he sux when I lose 1 v 1 it’s not because my build sux it’s only player based skills and I win 95% of my 1 v 1 in WvW

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

Just wanted to share my WvW experience

Don’t do it if you have no clue about the class you are talking about

to help players getting better but people like you really don’t deserve this kind of knowledge

LOL and LOL

so I’ve deleted every post I made and I will leave you in your ignorance so I won’t get trolled any further by stoopid people like you

You are so polite man, nice to see you leaving.. cya

Since I know how to make HoW worth it proves that I got more clues than you

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Posted by: rbbthole.9074

rbbthole.9074

3 stacks is 4k/tic

This is you.. and for me it’s enough to laugh.

ps: Plus I look at your previous messages, and bum! we got a pewpew ranger.. cmon.. really?
pps: 1v1 brawler just do your bearbow math somewhere else, we can’t manage such greatness.

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

3 stacks is 4k/tic

This is you.. and for me it’s enough to laugh.

ps: Plus I look at your previous messages, and bum! we got a pewpew ranger.. cmon.. really?
pps: 1v1 brawler just do your bearbow math somewhere else, we can’t manage such greatness.

mystyped but you will still get stuck on this even if I prove I mistyped and I don’t get the part with the pew pew ranger

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Posted by: rbbthole.9074

rbbthole.9074

mystyped 3k/3 stacks but it’S more 2850 1 stack 950 2 stack goes over 1500 3 stacks 2850 anyways

Closer to the truth but with the build you mentioned Dire/Undead full ascended + food/utility + 25 stack of corruption sigil + 25 stack of might (dunno how can you reach so much might, but ok) you can do just 1,8k/tic.. I can believe you can reach 2k/tic maybe 2,2k/tic… anything more is just a lie.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRAsf7dlsAhmhY1QwcIwPEHBE1dbjgMwGAPwbmHiHMCB-T1xCABAcCAEa/hjfAAAqfwT1fSUJYWK/CAgAMzyMAO6RP6RP6RbmzcmzcmzsUATKNC-w

ps: Don’t post a message if you have to delete/edit it.. LOL

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

and full stacks + MIGHT will get you way much higher tic than 1500 for 3 stacks -.-

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

12 stack of might I reach over 2k and thats without vulnerability

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Posted by: rbbthole.9074

rbbthole.9074

and full stacks + MIGHT will get you way much higher tic than 1500 for 3 stacks -.-

You started from 4k then you go down to 3k or to 2,85 to be exact.. Now it’s 1,5k for 3 stacks, LOL.. Use the link man, you can test your lie by yourself…

ps: with 25 stacks of vulnerability too, on your enemy, yes you can touch the 2,7/2,8k.. LOL.. dat ranger..
pps: I stop responding to you.. I’m not don Quijote, I can understand when a fight is pointless

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Posted by: Eversor.5186

Eversor.5186

I dont say its 1500 for 3 stack I say you can get way much higher than 1500 for 3 stacks learn2 read

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Posted by: EKAN.4051

EKAN.4051

how can gaurd give 12stacks of burning instantly.. and reapeat it just how he wants..
this game seems balanced

So with other words? guards need burn nerf?`sigh, guards are “almost” ok how it is now. But elemetalists then I agree with the burning, tho if they nerf burn (and that will for certain happen) all with take the hit so there you go. And if you move/dodge etc you rarley got that much ticks from one guard.

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