Celestial Gear, Build & Stats Question.
pve build? wvw?
The build is mainly for wvw using GS/S+F, however; I been trying to convert it into PvE GS/S+F, but I feel the stats are just not adding up. Any advice? I should be over 2,800 armor minimum and 2900 Atk minimum.
I feel like your stats are all over the place o_O I understand everyone plays differently, though. Why not just choose a berserker back piece? I feel like you have a helluva lot of armor.. You shouldn’t be trying to absorb attacks. Go with berserker ascended trinkets
Mes (Guardian)
I make PvP & WvW videos
I make PvP & WvW videos
Good WvW and PVE builds aren’t the same thing, trying to have a set be good at both means you will have a set that is actually fairly terrible at either one, or both.
As a guardian you don’t need any defensive stats for pve at all. Not dungeons, not open world, not temple/wb events, and certainly not LS BS. In terms of your current build, it has 1/4 the offense a good pve build has and about twice the effect health that a guard needs (your healing power is 526 points higher than the pve meta build for instance)
I can’t really comment on your builds wvw ability, as I mostly small group/roam and as such have much higher offensive stats than a zerg build.
Personally i hate Celestial stats. Why? Because power is so much important. People are always asking about your Crit Dmg and Crit Chance which is good for PvE, sPvP and WvW Roaming, but not that much for WvW Zerging. Celestial have such a small amount of Power and rely more on crit dmg, which will decrease your damage. But also stats are so all over the place, that you won’t really use most of them (Healing Power have really bad scaling, condi dmg in small amount won’t do any good, etc). When you check your stats, you will see that you are behind on pretty much everything.
On my zerging guardian I have 3100 attack, 19k hp and 2900 Armor without any buff. And there is many better build than mine.
Thaddeauz [xQCx]- QC GUILD
My advise on Celestials is that don’t bother for now. Anet is going to drastically nerf the crit dam on Celestials. If you make them now, you are just wasting your effort. Wait until the balance patch hits.
My advise on Celestials is that don’t bother for now. Anet is going to drastically nerf the crit dam on Celestials. If you make them now, you are just wasting your effort. Wait until the balance patch hits.
Let’s tone down speculation …
Crit damage is changing to Ferocity on all gear. Celestial is going to be impacted in a very unknown way because it doesn’t have secondary stats (which is what Ferocity will be). Even if it’s nerfed, it’s still going to perform relative to all armor sets close to what it will be today because much of the damage weight from Celestial doesn’t come from crit damage; in fact crit damage has the least significant impact on overall damage out of power, crit chance and crit damage.
What is NICE about celestial is that it’s very applicable to WvW and can be for PVE as well, due to the randomness of PUGing (if you do that). I think you have the right approach … Set your armor, make adjustments swapping trinkets and weapons. That’s the cheapest route IMO as well.
(edited by Obtena.7952)
Well, the build provided is indeed all over the place.
I’m complimenting you on a choice of Celestial gear, naturally. I would not be bothered with the upcoming changes, it is has already been said that Celestial gear is going to be compensated with overall increase in stats; so little will change in it’s viability and power level.
I’m assuming you are talking about WvW, of course.
First of all I would start the theorycraft by bumping the stats to ascended level and adding infusions. It impacts all stats, but the most it impacts is Armor;
+7 toughness from a full set; 30 toughness from infusions(my infusions of choice); and 60 armor from Defense rating. It adds up to 97 extra armor plus +7 to all other stats, that’s just from upgrading your armor to Ascended level. Suddenly, your armor looks great, well actually with 15K HP and 2850 armor you need more HP(Healing Power and HP as it is). Don’t forget to upgrade all the other trinkets/weapons too.
Keep in mind that while Bloodlust sigil is great for stacking and I recommend it, you should use different weapons once you reach 25 stacks. And don’t forget to use your food too, I mean, really? Oh, and Ruby Orbs? I mean, why not white gear in WvW anyway?
With Celestial Gear and WvW in mind, I’m starting off with 5 points in Radiance, 20 points in Honor(Selfless Daring GG) and 5 points in Virtues as mandatory, and then you can build a lot of cool builds based on that. Master of Consecrations and Resolute Healer are an horrible choice to complement a triple meditation build(with two meditations) too.
And you’re slow. You don’t have neither Swiftness, neither JI, neither Traveler runes. JI isn’t really mandatory, but it really should be in a meditation build. Movement Speed? Seaweed Salad and Sigil of Speed, Save Yourselves as an extra, or even perhaps Retreat(?), or just new Nourishment, or just Traveler Runes(A single choice should do, movement speed bonuses do not stack properly, but you need one for sure)
Right now, you have neither damage, neither survivability, neither mobility and neither support.
On my zerging guardian I have 3100 attack, 19k hp and 2900 Armor without any buff. And there is many better build than mine.
3100 attack without any buffs is really high and you should consider adding some precision and critical damage for extra damage output, I’m assuming full Soldier’s?
Yeah, while that’s high it becomes way too high when you actually consider some might&Bloodlust&Guard stacks, and Nourishment.
What is NICE about celestial is that it’s very applicable to WvW and can be for PVE as well, due to the randomness of PUGing (if you do that). I think you have the right approach … Set your armor, make adjustments swapping trinkets and weapons. That’s the cheapest route IMO as well.
One of the randomness of pugging is people run crappy for dungeons stat sets like celestial. By building expecting that pugs will be horrible you are contributing to the problem. The gear set gives mediocre stats across the board, but the problem is mediocre is crap… its the same thing as being bad at everything instead of being amazing at what you are trying to achieve while giving up as your weakness things that don’t matter.
In WvW celestial across the board doesn’t really achieve anything you want/need either, but its ok to mix in a few pieces because it can sometimes fill stat holes that more specialized armors have. BUT that sort of micro tuning is an art form based on the skill of the player, the traits they are using, and what is trying to be achieved, not something that randoms on the internet are going to be able to give effective advice on.
I also went the all celestial route, but the power output just wasn’t cutting it. I use this for PVE. Still working on some tweaks, but I outlive lots guys fighting in LA.
I switch out Retreat! for Bane Signet if I know I will be pinned to one area. That will get my base attack to 3162. Rune of the pack doesn’t seem to be a popular one, but I like that is gives me 20% swiftness duration. I can get perma swiftness utilizing the staff and shouts. Plus it gives me 165 power and 100 precision. That 5% chance to get fury, might and swiftness when hit is kinda meh, it should last a little longer, but a nice bonus I guess.
its a great armor when you build it properly and have proper equipment,
maybe you will miss some toughness but i dont want to play a tank as a main character because it takes forever to kill stuff .
i want him to be able to kill stuff and be fit for every situation and be viable both at wvw zerks and solo roaming.
i have second guardian that will be more tanky/assist just to asssist the few commanders that i respect at wvw.
action combat made mmos better lol
(edited by jihm.2315)
One of the randomness of pugging is people run crappy for dungeons stat sets like celestial. By building expecting that pugs will be horrible you are contributing to the problem.
I don’t regard people playing builds they like and are comfortable with as a problem. You’re perspective isn’t universal, therefore I don’t feel I’m contributing to something negative.
On my zerging guardian I have 3100 attack, 19k hp and 2900 Armor without any buff. And there is many better build than mine.
3100 attack without any buffs is really high and you should consider adding some precision and critical damage for extra damage output, I’m assuming full Soldier’s?
Yeah, while that’s high it becomes way too high when you actually consider some might&Bloodlust&Guard stacks, and Nourishment.
Sorry its 3000 attack, i had some might when i check it out the last time. But still 2000 power is not that high.The math was already done for that btw. Right now i have 69% Crit damage and 25% crit chance. I would need 2375 power before precision would become more important over power. That mean that i have still have room for 375 power. You got a point i use lemonglass food, maintenance oil and perception sigil. Fully buffed that give me 2955 power and 1795 precision. I would need 3100 power before precision would be better so my build is balance in that regard.
Thaddeauz [xQCx]- QC GUILD
One of the randomness of pugging is people run crappy for dungeons stat sets like celestial. By building expecting that pugs will be horrible you are contributing to the problem.
I don’t regard people playing builds they like and are comfortable with as a problem. You’re perspective isn’t universal, therefore I don’t feel I’m contributing to something negative.
Consensus building is stupid. I don’t care if you think you are contributing a popularly held belief, its still wrong and you can’t fix the math by saying otherwise. By spreading a popularly held misconception you are contributing to misinformation, which is one of the reasons why pugs are so bad.
If you want more survival in dungeons, there are better sets that don’t give up as much damage and still provide the stats that you need. A well thought out blend of valk/knights/zerker will provide more than enough protection without giving up as much damage. The other stats that celestial provides are crap and you won’t miss them.
In WvW its similar, with the caveat that a piece or two of celestial CAN actually be the perfect solution to a particular build problem.
One of the randomness of pugging is people run crappy for dungeons stat sets like celestial. By building expecting that pugs will be horrible you are contributing to the problem.
I don’t regard people playing builds they like and are comfortable with as a problem. You’re perspective isn’t universal, therefore I don’t feel I’m contributing to something negative.
Consensus building is stupid. I don’t care if you think you are contributing a popularly held belief, its still wrong and you can’t fix the math by saying otherwise.
So are what are you saying here … its wrong for people to play builds they like and are comfortable with, because they don’t meet some sort of minimum threshold or criteria based on what OTHER people value? And somehow that makes ME stupid to disagree with that? Let me be VERY clear to you. I think it’s good when people play to their highest ability AND the way they want. It’s what’s makes people play AND STAY playing.
I haven’t provided any misinformation … I gave a reason why celestial is nice set between PVE and WvW, you decided to tell me I’m wrong because it offends your sense of making everyone conform to how YOU want them to play. Politicizing the “PVE DPS ONLY” thing is getting a little old. (Take note .. the OP already HAS a celestial armor set so he’s probably not interested in drinking your flavour of Koolaid)
I would be willing to entertain the idea I’m stupid for thinking it’s OK for people to play builds they like in a game THEY paid for and play on THEIR time if you are willing to actually propose WHY that’s a stupid idea … ball’s in your court.
(edited by Obtena.7952)
But whatever, its not like you will stop drinking the “play how I want” Flavor Aid (which is what was actually used in the event that started the meme".
You too are playing “how you want”-even if that is “meta” builds. What gives you the right to look down on others for doing the same?
Everybody should play how they want, including elitists, classists, etc. But you have no right to look down on others as “terrible” for doing so. Be happy playing your “superior” builds and leave others alone.
Calling others terrible for gear choice, etc. is just a silly way of stating how “superior” you feel you are in comparison. It’s not about “improving the community’s (pugs) gameplay” but more about thinking too highly of yourself for belonging to the “high skill” niche of players in the game.
Everyone has the right to enjoy GW2, not only math min/maxers. Ultimately, in GW2 stats matter, but not as much as someone’s playstyle and skill, and it is 100% certain that not all players should use whatever is considered the “optimal” build and gear for this or that Profession.
But whatever, its not like you will stop drinking the “play how I want” Flavor Aid (which is what was actually used in the event that started the meme".
You too are playing “how you want”-even if that is “meta” builds. What gives you the right to look down on others for doing the same?
BINGO!
My point is pugs are randomly bad BECAUSE people are running terrible builds such as celestial.
Let’s assume this is true. I’m still correct saying celestial is a nice fallback armor for PVE because you have assumed that discouraging people from using anything but DPS builds means they will stop being used. Somehow that makes sense to you but I can assure you, it’s nonsense. Why? Because people play how they want and that’s REASONABLE and EXPECTED because it’s their time and money and their rationale for playing is based on THEIR OWN gaming values, not anyone elses.
So if you are PUGing, and there is a chance your team didn’t like the DPS flavoured Koolaid your passing out, in game or on the forums, it is NICE to be able to swap to a set of armor, like Celestial if someone finds they need it, especially in the case of the OP who already has that set. Schools out.
(edited by Obtena.7952)
But whatever, its not like you will stop drinking the “play how I want” Flavor Aid (which is what was actually used in the event that started the meme".
You too are playing “how you want”-even if that is “meta” builds. What gives you the right to look down on others for doing the same?
Everybody should play how they want, including elitists, classists, etc. But you have no right to look down on others as “terrible” for doing so. Be happy playing your “superior” builds and leave others alone.
Calling others terrible for gear choice, etc. is just a silly way of stating how “superior” you feel you are in comparison. It’s not about “improving the community’s (pugs) gameplay” but more about thinking too highly of yourself for belonging to the “high skill” niche of players in the game.
Everyone has the right to enjoy GW2, not only math min/maxers. Ultimately, in GW2 stats matter, but not as much as someone’s playstyle and skill, and it is 100% certain that not all players should use whatever is considered the “optimal” build and gear for this or that Profession.
While optimal isn’t required by any means, I in fact gave several good alternatives that serve the same purpose as celestial…. Such as knights and/or valk. Deliberately being an advocate for a bad set for group content inflicts bad decision making on other people. Its only courteous to think about your fellow party member, and its not unreasonable to expect the same from others. Of course the “I do what I want, none of your business” generation is going to rally around selfish builds that under contribute because they don’t feel they should be forced to do anything like read, do math, or be a decent player before joining group content with random strangers.
As for me being superior? No, i eat floor on occasion, don’t’ like doing fractals because its not fun for me, and don’t really like WvW because I don’t enjoy mass combat and don’t have a consistent raiding group. In fact I would like to say my skill level is average, but that means half of the player base is worse than I am. Which is fine, but there is a vast gulf between the average dungeon runner/LS casual (myself) who just wants a smooth run and the average pugger who thinks that wvw gear and pve gear are interchangeable, that they don’t need to respec their traits between game modes, and who thinks being average at everything (at best) is an advantage when doing specialized content.
I don’t like to see bad advice spread, but the forums have turned into a hug box of bad advice being good, and good advice being “elitist jerks” that want to enforce blah blah blah… Is it too much to ask for people to at least know their class, have a build that is within spitting distance of decent, and have a gear set that is actually relevant to the instance being run? Apparently it is, I see that everything somebody even has a moderate viewpoint such as “wear tanky gear in wvw, don’t bother with it in pve, 2 good sets is better than 1 decent in one area, and terrible in another” is shouted down and worse.
Also, if you want to play a random or weird build of suboptimal gear and traits, you don’t have to go to the forums to do so. You can just play the build in your own fashion, but for the love of the game don’t encourage people to run questionable builds in group content with strangers.
I don’t like to see bad advice spread, but the forums have turned into a hug box of bad advice being good, and good advice being “elitist jerks” that want to enforce blah blah blah…
I’m wondering if you have even read the posts after reading this … what ‘bad advice’ was given? For the OP to use an armor set HE ALREADY HAS?