Celestial Vs Knight

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Posted by: Aedrion.6483

Aedrion.6483

Help me, oh mighty forum! :O

I don’t know which one is better.

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nights focusses more on damage and toughness, relying on power and crit damage to kill while relying on tougness to compensate for lower health, healing power is medium.

Celestial focusses on bigger HP and somewhat lesser toughness while also increasing the healing, crit dmg and power values. It relies on critting hard and often to do dmg while being a high hitpoint bastion.

My main problem is that I can’t decide which is the better build! Do I value toughness more or do I value HP more, is a difference of 4% crit noticable? Is a difference of 9% crit dmg noticable? Does that extra healing do anything worthwhile, what about that condi damage? I’m at a loss.

Any advice would be most welcome, assumptions and idioms asside and going purely on the numbers here, which is better?

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

The Guardian class concept makes good use of Heal power and toughness and it’s builds benefit (or need, depending on the content you do) from VIT as well. The only failing of Celestial for Guardian is the low power a full set gives you.

Some mix of Zerker/Celestial (most people leaning heavy in the zerker direction) is a good balance if you are looking to supplement a DPS build with defensive stats. I believe the MOST effecient Celestial parts are the chest and legs.

Your traits suggest a heavy defensive stats … if you insist on this, I would go with knights to push more damage. I’m not a fan of either of those builds.

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Posted by: Neverminder.3296

Neverminder.3296

After I heard how little the healing co-efficient is on Meditations (.04? Something like 1k Healing Power needed to add 300~ HP to the heals), I’m unsure of it’s importance.

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Posted by: Evalia.7103

Evalia.7103

To the OP:
I would assure you celestial is better than knights, but for your build mixing it could be a decent idea.
To the Neverminder:
0.04 means 40 HP per 1000 healing power. Monk’s Focus has 0.4, that means 400 per 1000. Actually, Shelter would get extra 750 healing(Signet – 1250), VoR – 60 per second, ~75 traited, 750 on activation. Regeneration – 125 per second. 1000 heal on dodge(up to once every 5 seconds with vigor), 400 on aegis dissolve from Honor’s line. And that’s not the end of it, either – there are many more healing skills that a Guardian can get.
Add up the numbers, and it easily beats the vitality(10 HP per 1) for Guardian. That’s for Guardian himself, and the rest of people around.. You should get the point by now.
Keep in mind that Guardian by design has lots of healing and therefore is supposed to benefit more from healing power than other classes do. It only makes sense to get some, if it’s so useful.
For Guardian, you want Vitality ONLY to survive burst damage(I would not recommend to get more than 18-20 K HP). Toughness and Healing Power are the way to go if you want defense.

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Posted by: Ghotistyx.6942

Ghotistyx.6942

Some thoughts on knights vs celestial. You lose quite a few stat points using celestial on trinkets. However, at this moment, you get the most critical damage by using it in armor.

When ferocity comes in, that crit damage won’t be wrote as attractive. However, the devs are considering upping the stat amounts for celestial so that it’s more appropriate for the stat amounts. I’d make that gamble pets personally.

Celestial gives bits of every stat, which you can make use of. Knights is of course, cheaper and faster to get.

If it were me, I’d combine celestial armor with some other trinkets. This is however, not looking at either build, and no real citations for my info, but it’s either math or red posts (or logic).

Fishsticks

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Posted by: Aedrion.6483

Aedrion.6483

I am not sure what the patch will do. They’re changing zerker, many people fear celestial will become obsolete but I hope not, for all the effort it takes to get it, making it useless would be a kick in the teeth for anyone who crafted it.

As for these builds, I run them in WvW mostly. My main goal there is survival and damage. I support my party with shouts and weapon abilities. I feel knights is good but lacks in the healing departement and doesn’t have enough HP, perhaps swap out the berserker necklace for a cleric, to get that yummy healing power?

Sure it might drop the damage a bit but if healing power is really so important for guardians maybe that’s worth a shot. I feel like celestial jewelry on top of celestial gear isn’t good enough right now.