Guild Wars 2

We finally have a decent spec and damage/ranged options other then just meditations. What do we see? A bunch of QQ because people don’t understand how to dodge trueshot or see the most obvious judges burst combo.

My concern is Anet tends to listen to noobs/whiners quite easily, just like how they nerfed 100b warrior when it first came out. Dps guardian has been so kitten in pvp for so long and now everyone is QQ’ing.

Should we be concerned? Well I am because guardian may just go back to being irrelevant if Anet decides to listen to QQ’rs.

I think overall Dragonhunter is good, just need to tone the damage on traps down a bit (not into the ground just not able to take people out by themselves).

The thing about DH is, there’s a problem with visual ques. Sometimes people don’t see the trap visuals probably because of the constant stealth usage from trapper runes. That combined with the intense damage and the possibility of comboing with other skills, it just becomes crazy in team fights.

Fighting on point has never been more dangerous.

It may be another week or two before they nerf certain items (meta still has to settle) but i’m curious if DH bursts really needs a look into.

In ESL, people weren’t exactly pressuring the Guardians as well as they should have. It wasn’t until the last couple of games where Abjured did just that to one of the teams; heavily applying pressure and CC to the Guards.

I’ll be putting out a video tomorrow detailing the strengths and weaknesses of the dh as a whole. I think it’ll be very eye opening.

Dragonhunter have virtues on cast time – its big nerf especially Virtue of resolve, because I am interupted in 80% times while casting it – 1 sec. (it needs avoidance or make it heal yourself before jump and heal other if we jump to that spot)
Traps are not that bad, full trapper is death wish.
DH traits do not synergize with other vanilla skills.
Ppl need to learn counterplay, in few weeks maybe.

Overall I would give it 7/10. Not bad but not that good. (Reaper, Revenant, Scrapper and especially Chrono are better in every way)

Trap spam being highly effective at low and mid skill levels for not much thought or planning involved is the main issue. But it’s not very different from ranger trap spam.

I think the biggest issue is that the Spear of Justice pull is too much, especially in combination with the trap pile. The spear itself is 0.25s cast with a fast projectile and the pull is 1200 range. It’s effectively un-dodgeable CC with no drawback, which can be comboed into more CC and heavy damage.

I’m hoping ANet ignores the forums for the most part and just looks/balances according to what goes on their comps.

True Shot is like Warrior Killshot only with a 3/4 cast time, with a weak animation, on a 4s CD, and ungaited by anything like Adrenaline. Traited it’ll give you a free knockback/interrupt (on any arrow) on a 10s cd anytime anyone comes into melee (War Rifle Butt is 15s, Mes GS 5 is 30s cd, Engies Overcharged shot 15s). So pretty much between an AA and LB 2, on top of the rest of Guard/DH’s natural setup, it can get pretty whack -_-u

I don’t think that DH should be nerfed. I do not play DH. I play rev, staff ele and engi.

The amount of people who have just started playing guardian now though is absolutely ridiculous. In conquest there are always now at least 4 guardians in every game, sometimes 3 on a team which should normally be fairly rare rather than every second game.

I don’t like seeing things nerfed usually, but I just hate how everyone has suddenly become a guardian main and I’m perma-trapped on a point in conquest.

The more people who jump on the bandwagon, the more other professions are going to QQ.

Guardians, please, send the horde back from whence they came.

Considering how much bawwing there was about how kittenty this elite spec was, i certainly hope Anet devs ignore the whining. It’s not like DH is even the main thing people are complaining about. They are also complaining about reapers and chronos, and only because those have made them forget about burn guards and vanilla mesmers.

People only complain about the flashiest thing that’s kicking their kitten and rarely about the specs that really win team fights, such as shout guards.

I see lots of bad DH out there. They are far from being op, look at scrappers, reapers, chronos and revenants, they are far superior (especially revenant).

If they nerf Guardians because of pvp – again it will be effective in pve – again (Feel My Wrath, e.g.) So sad for guardians if that happens – again.

People are learning.

I just played against a condi PU Mesmer using reflection heal and reflect on dodge.

I don’t like how I can’t get out of Maw when I use Lightning Reflexes to stunbreak. So I’m literally forced to sit there in the traps and hope I don’t die while I try to cast SotP for my stab.

Mcrocha.3891:

I don’t like how I can’t get out of Maw when I use Lightning Reflexes to stunbreak. So I’m literally forced to sit there in the traps and hope I don’t die while I try to cast SotP for my stab.

What you don’t like the 12 seconds of barrier that prevents any form of action even dodging besides stability and teleports? I like how it’s invisible 90% of the time so I can’ even tell what’s happening.

glaphen.5230:

Mcrocha.3891:

I don’t like how I can’t get out of Maw when I use Lightning Reflexes to stunbreak. So I’m literally forced to sit there in the traps and hope I don’t die while I try to cast SotP for my stab.

What you don’t like the 12 seconds of barrier that prevents any form of action even dodging besides stability and teleports? I like how it’s invisible 90% of the time so I can’ even tell what’s happening.

It’s unfortunate bc I don’t want to run SoS, but I might have to if dhs don’t go away. I don’t really blame the trap though. I mean it is an elite so it’s supposed to be powerful, but Rangers don’t have a teleport or instant stab, so getting out of it is quite a chore.

I didn’t play much Dragonhunter during the beta. I tried to play a bit but couldn’t take the class. But as soon as HoT launched, I borrowed my Ranger’s ascended Longbow and hit the jungle. I found the Hero Point cap helped. I had all the core Tyria Hero Points so was able to be an adept Dragonhunter, but I couldn’t go traps as I didn’t have enough unlocked.

So I was greatsword/longbow + shouts for a long time. It got me used to the longbow, and now I am greatsword/longbow + traps. I find the traps work better with a greatsword and then when I can’t tanks anymore, use wings of resolve to escape to range and switch to the bow.

I am enjoying the Dragonhunter gameplay but I haven’t been game enough to try it in PvP and WvW yet. However, I can see why some people are Q.Qing. But let’s face facts here, Dragonhunter is probably one of the easiest elite specs to master. It augments our normal gameplay more then it changes it. When the others have mastered their elite spec, they will stop Q.Qing. I am going to hope Anet knows this and doesn’t do any pre-mature nerfs.

lilz shorty.1879:

We finally have a decent spec and damage/ranged options other then just meditations. What do we see? A bunch of QQ because people don’t understand how to dodge trueshot or see the most obvious judges burst combo.

My concern is Anet tends to listen to noobs/whiners quite easily, just like how they nerfed 100b warrior when it first came out. Dps guardian has been so kitten in pvp for so long and now everyone is QQ’ing.

Should we be concerned? Well I am because guardian may just go back to being irrelevant if Anet decides to listen to QQ’rs.

“back to being irrelevant”. Guardians have never been irrelevant. That said, as much as I can’t stand the awful design behind DHs, I don’t really see them as a problem (from what I’ve played). There are other elite specs that are way worse.

True shot is a white Arrow hitten between Swords and Crystals from the DH traps its very hard to see when its used as that combo blends together.

they also changed rangers pbs shot to have a Black arrow trail when fired, so it does not blend into the area previously it was also White making it nearly non-visable same goes for Trueshot and with its low cast time and low cooldown you can’t dodge every time he fires , that ontop the DH has two Teleports one on sword one on LB and a extra swoop as a Virtue.

when a DH does this most player Expect a Medi guard/burn guard type burst right after the teleport so they dodge instintively every time the DH teleports making it much much easier to land a trueshot each and everytime.

and since it Peirces + can grant stability on a 4second cooldown , it ether needs a longer cooldown(6seconds) because of its Utilitiy the stability granted lasts 6seconds so it can carry over into the second trueshot making the DH have pretty much enough Stability to take any CC he likes after the first Trueshot.

or just simply if you want to keep the 4second cooldown and that amount of Utility+damage , one or the other must be reduced.

The problem with Dragonhunter is that it beats anything with low survivability and/or stab sources without counterplay and is easily beaten by anything with sustain. It’s not balanced, it’s binary.

I play quite a lot of PVP and and finding 4-6 guardians in a single game is extremely rare. You may have just had a weird RNG string of games.

I think guardian has been quite strong for awhile, and it has been pretty kitten common. With the bunker and burn builds, being very solid and relatively easy to play, now the DH trap build is added to that.

I do think people will learn to counter it… Meta needs time to settle, as others have said. But yeah, thieves, staff eles and rangers have a really, really bad time against trap DH.

I don’t think that DH should be nerfed. I do not play DH. I play rev, staff ele and engi.

The amount of people who have just started playing guardian now though is absolutely ridiculous. In conquest there are always now at least 4 guardians in every game, sometimes 3 on a team which should normally be fairly rare rather than every second game.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

True shot is a white Arrow hitten between Swords and Crystals from the DH traps its very hard to see when its used as that combo blends together.

they also changed rangers pbs shot to have a Black arrow trail when fired, so it does not blend into the area previously it was also White making it nearly non-visable same goes for Trueshot and with its low cast time and low cooldown you can’t dodge every time he fires , that ontop the DH has two Teleports one on sword one on LB and a extra swoop as a Virtue.

when a DH does this most player Expect a Medi guard/burn guard type burst right after the teleport so they dodge instintively every time the DH teleports making it much much easier to land a trueshot each and everytime.

and since it Peirces + can grant stability on a 4second cooldown , it ether needs a longer cooldown(6seconds) because of its Utilitiy the stability granted lasts 6seconds so it can carry over into the second trueshot making the DH have pretty much enough Stability to take any CC he likes after the first Trueshot.

or just simply if you want to keep the 4second cooldown and that amount of Utility+damage , one or the other must be reduced.

You don’t need to see the true shot. You just need to see the guard take the position, which is enough time to know when to evade.

Also, the stability is from heavy light. Which has a 10s CD. Which needs you to land an attack prior to it. Not that it makes the trait any less powerful, but people need to stop altering facts in an effort to nerf classes.

+1 agreed for once guardian is in the top half of the tier list and I’m afraid it’s going to get nerfed to the ground

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

and since it Peirces + can grant stability on a 4second cooldown , it ether needs a longer cooldown(6seconds) because of its Utilitiy the stability granted lasts 6seconds so it can carry over into the second trueshot making the DH have pretty much enough Stability to take any CC he likes after the first Trueshot.

True Shot doesn’t bring any utility. Since Heavy Light is on a 10s cd, you cannot line up multiple True Shots under stability nor can you take any amount of cc. It’s a single stack.

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

I think overall Dragonhunter is good, just need to tone the damage on traps down a bit (not into the ground just not able to take people out by themselves).

Traps are supposed to deal damage. What else are they supposed to do when you’ve sacrificed 4 of your 5 utility slots and 2 of your 3 traits to improve them?

Booms.3952:

for once guardian is in the top half of the tier list

Have you even played this game before?

Ghotistyx.6942:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

and since it Peirces + can grant stability on a 4second cooldown , it ether needs a longer cooldown(6seconds) because of its Utilitiy the stability granted lasts 6seconds so it can carry over into the second trueshot making the DH have pretty much enough Stability to take any CC he likes after the first Trueshot.

True Shot doesn’t bring any utility. Since Heavy Light is on a 10s cd, you cannot line up multiple True Shots under stability nor can you take any amount of cc. It’s a single stack.

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

I think overall Dragonhunter is good, just need to tone the damage on traps down a bit (not into the ground just not able to take people out by themselves).

Traps are supposed to deal damage. What else are they supposed to do when you’ve sacrificed 4 of your 5 utility slots and 2 of your 3 traits to improve them?

Booms.3952:

for once guardian is in the top half of the tier list

Have you even played this game before?

Guardian hasn’t been top 4 ever since MAYBE you could argue bunker guard was during the zoo ranger meta.
And to answer your question directly, yes I’ve played more and at a higher level than you.

Traps punishing the other team for not paying attention. (I was guilty of this one time as well).

Working as intended.

Against teams/players that have experience fighting DH traps, idk….Its a up-hill battle for the DH then, I cannot see Anet nerfing the spec.

With bunker rev I can literally /sleep in their traps when I proc Infused Light or Crystal Hibernation, I am sure other classes can find work arounds too if they pay attention.

People need to play against Dragonhunter and learn the match-up better instead of spending their time QQing because they play against a DH for one match.

Greek.4396:

Traps punishing the other team for not paying attention. (I was guilty of this one time as well).

Working as intended.

Against teams/players that have experience fighting DH traps, idk….Its a up-hill battle for the DH then, I cannot see Anet nerfing the spec.

With bunker rev I can literally /sleep in their traps when I proc Infused Light or Crystal Hibernation, I am sure other classes can find work arounds too if they pay attention.

People need to play against Dragonhunter and learn the match-up better instead of spending their time QQing because they play against a DH for one match.

You mean Revenant the class with the best abilities to counter traps and barriers can easily beat traps and barriers, who would of thought. You don’t play against DH for one match, you play with 3 out of 9 other players every match.

glaphen.5230:

You mean Revenant the class with the best abilities to counter traps and barriers can easily beat traps and barriers, who would of thought. You don’t play against DH for one match, you play with 3 out of 9 other players every match.

Lol yes at times 3 out of 9 players playing DH but you know what I mean <3

I am feeling like a Mesmer or Thief, so many people crying about DH…

Greek.4396:

glaphen.5230:

You mean Revenant the class with the best abilities to counter traps and barriers can easily beat traps and barriers, who would of thought. You don’t play against DH for one match, you play with 3 out of 9 other players every match.

Lol yes at times 3 out of 9 players playing DH but you know what I mean <3

What? That has not been my experience at all. IDK, I don’t pvp that much only r20, but out of all the pvp matches I played yesterday, around 12, I only encountered ONE other player besides me running DH.

I also only encountered 2 other revenants when I was on my rev, which was surprising.

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

Garimeth.8725:

Greek.4396:

glaphen.5230:

You mean Revenant the class with the best abilities to counter traps and barriers can easily beat traps and barriers, who would of thought. You don’t play against DH for one match, you play with 3 out of 9 other players every match.

Lol yes at times 3 out of 9 players playing DH but you know what I mean <3

What? That has not been my experience at all. IDK, I don’t pvp that much only r20, but out of all the pvp matches I played yesterday, around 12, I only encountered ONE other player besides me running DH.

I also only encountered 2 other revenants when I was on my rev, which was surprising.

Probably low MMR then because DH and Revenant are in every match.

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

It’s an elite skill. The kitten thing has to be good for guardians to choose it over renewed focus. Can’t we have nice things top(

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

but each person can only have so much stunbreak, have u even consider mesmers with the daze/stun combo? have u been perma lock by them before? if u did, maw is no where close to how ridiculous perma-stun lock dps mesmer are… not to mention they have access to invuls and stealth?

So how are you gonna argue about this?

EvilHero.1248:

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

but each person can only ahve so much stunbreak, have u even consider mesmers with the daze/stun combo? have u been perma lock by them before? if u did, maw is no where close to how ridiculous perma-stun lock dps mesmer are… not to mention they have access to invuls and stealth? So how are you gonna argue about this?

Yes both DH and Chrono have way too much CC ATM for their ridiculous damage potential.

glaphen.5230:

EvilHero.1248:

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

but each person can only ahve so much stunbreak, have u even consider mesmers with the daze/stun combo? have u been perma lock by them before? if u did, maw is no where close to how ridiculous perma-stun lock dps mesmer are… not to mention they have access to invuls and stealth? So how are you gonna argue about this?

Yes both DH and Chrono have way too much CC ATM for their ridiculous damage potential.

to me, ultimately, ppl are QQ-ing is due to the problem where they still are very unfamiliar to the mechanics of the class and they dont know how to dodge… give it some time and if DEV are still not in a nerf crazy mode, i believe DH wouldn’t be nerfed to the ground like warriors…

Edit: not to mention, all traps has a cast time and if DH were to take the maw, they lose their invul skill which is one of the most precious personal defense skill. so i think with such a big trade off this kind of result is really to be expected…

glaphen.5230:

EvilHero.1248:

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

but each person can only ahve so much stunbreak, have u even consider mesmers with the daze/stun combo? have u been perma lock by them before? if u did, maw is no where close to how ridiculous perma-stun lock dps mesmer are… not to mention they have access to invuls and stealth? So how are you gonna argue about this?

Yes both DH and Chrono have way too much CC ATM for their ridiculous damage potential.

Glaphe, I catch you in every single hunter’s ward. Why? I because I know that as soon as I start casting it on the point, you’re not going to move. As my blue arrows rain from the sky, you stand on point spamming shortbow 3 in a circle. You really need to adjust your play style if you don’t want to get caught in Hunter’s Ward.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

It’s an elite skill. The kitten thing has to be good for guardians to choose it over renewed focus. Can’t we have nice things top(

I understand it’s an elite skill and I’m perfectly fine with the damage it does, but that cc is something fierce.

I don’t know what anyone is complaining about.

Dragonhunter is extremely weak to mesmers, both chrono and regular, as well as having a bad time with reapers and scrappers.

The lack of instant cast virtues turned a 1v1 match with a PU shatter mesmer from slightly not in our favor to an absolutely terrible matchup, and a chronomancer with the shield block is… yeah.

Other classes have got it just as good if not better. Why cry about this?

Mcrocha.3891:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Mcrocha.3891:

EvilHero.1248:

So none of the QQ’er are looking at the insane amount of DPS/burst a reaper and chronomancers can dishing out? That’s really weird…. so the main section of the community is made up of Mesmer and Necro?

Mesmer has been ridiculously strong months before HoT patch is still OP currently and no one is questioning about that? Seriously?

You can stunbreak and get out of their burst. If you get caught in maw, you can’t stunbreak and get out. It’s not the dps, every class has a strong burst. It’s the cc that makes it so I can’t mitigate unless I run Signet of Stone on my bar. If they made Maw so that when I use Lightning Reflexes I am able to get out of the killzone then I wouldn’t care.

It’s an elite skill. The kitten thing has to be good for guardians to choose it over renewed focus. Can’t we have nice things top(

I understand it’s an elite skill and I’m perfectly fine with the damage it does, but that cc is something fierce.

It must be better than this because you sacrifice heal (medi) + block+ another heal for it. (RF)

but I am not satisfied with trap heal, it needs to go down to 16 sec traited (20 sekittenraited) and heal nerfed to 3k on putting and 3k on activation. Maybe I will than take it instead of my block shelter.

Guardian
Dragonhunter—Procession of Blades: Increased the cooldown of this ability from 20 to 25 seconds.
Dragonhunter—Test of Faith: Reduced the duration of this trap from 9 seconds — the tooltip incorrectly indicated 8 — to 6.
Dragonhunter—Dragon’s Maw: Increased the cooldown of this ability from 60 to 75 seconds.

And so it begins….

And yep, nerfed already

Are Guardians only supposed to take Renewed Focus? Every new elite we get, receives nerfs and because less valuable than Renewed Focus.

Drennon.7190:

Are Guardians only supposed to take Renewed Focus? Every new elite we get, receives nerfs and because less valuable than Renewed Focus.

They really dont give a kitten, using Renewed Focus is just a no brainer now (although it already was).

i’m actually ok with this nerf. 2 seconds less on Test of Faith seems fair for its low CD. We can work with this.

The traps were too strong, a small nerf was much needed. Now stop crying about the nerf and get back on the horse. Poor guardians never had to deal with nerfs ever before.

Inflames.8026:

The traps were too strong, a small nerf was much needed. Now stop crying about the nerf and get back on the horse. Poor guardians never had to deal with nerfs ever before.

If you’re bored go through the patchnote page. We’re the most nerfed class. (next to thief)

I feel sorry for thieves. At least our spec works, they got a glorified monkey king tonic.

However, no one seems to pay attention to the fact that DH will lose to a scrapper, reaper, chronomancer or a regular mesmer.