Only way this build could be a thing is to add to a guardian base HP a little and give condi sustain. Several long CD burn applying skills will not prevent cleansing and without the ability to quickly re-apply a burn, the guardian would be stuck hitting with a no condi weapon while waiting on CD’s
They need to just give us something that actually mitigates conditions longer or more or focused on a specific so we can stay in the frontline longer. This is from a PvP point of view.
Heavy armor and the weapon choices we have mandate this sort of logic. We are not range. We are up front and personal. I see a support guardian I just ignore them, go around, and kill the target they think they are protecting…
Main – Laaz Rocket – Guardian (Ehmry Bay)
Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
Actually one would have to go a combination of carrion and settler gear to make it work. Like this for example.
Staff/GS for Wave of tag burns and leapsymbolwhirl attacks to easily proc the traited PW/VoJ. Remember there’s no point of even activating VoJ after getting PW due to it only affecting passive VoJ.
I didn’t put utilities down but maybe “Save Yourselves!,”Contemplation of Purity and Purge Conditions for extra burn and condit removal.
Also I might add, you can not do damage with burning alone. You’d never kill a thing unless they were stacked with perma weakness, cripple, and chill. You have Fiery Wrath to increase the power damage you do along with slightly high condition damage to supplement it. Of course one can further with with this either stacking might or capping burn duration.
Actually. maybe x/30/x/x/30 would be better, you get the free crit/condition damage, you get to turn retal into a condition, and could use more dire gear instead of rabid to boost up your defenses and keep all the leach…
And therin lies the single largest issue with guardians outside of 0/0/30/30/0 or 0/0/0/30/30….
All our synergistic traits are spread all the fk over the place when it comes to “Condi”…
30/30/0/0/10 – 10 in Virtues needs to be Permeating Wraith.
How hard is it to figure this out Anet….?
Out of curiosity, what sort of utilities and weapons would you use with this hypothetical build?
The obsession with condition guardian is like some kind of running joke that has got way out of hand.
I dont like any condition build nor do I play one, and I would never WANT a condi guardian, I am the OP of this topic.
I started this topic to have a discussion of the issues and to better understand the problems with condition guardian, also to give anet devs some ideas what could make it work if it was a viable option.
The obsession with condition guardian is like some kind of running joke that has got way out of hand.
I dont like any condition build nor do I play one, and I would never WANT a condi guardian, I am the OP of this topic.
I started this topic to have a discussion of the issues and to better understand the problems with condition guardian, also to give anet devs some ideas what could make it work if it was a viable option.
But they don’t listen so why bother? Don’t believe it go back and read the December 10th thread. Flat out asked for suggestions, dialog, feedback, mentioned a possibility, even said possibility wouldn’t really be ideal, and ignored every suggestion thereafter. Furthermore, then change they said wouldn’t be viable they introduced anyway.
Ironic, yeah? It is no wonder why this game is in a tail spin. The only saving Grace is that it is free to play after you buy the box or ether used to download the client. Drama much? No, but look back at launch and over time. Then look at your friends list, people you know, who play, who still play.
I do. And honestly I notice less and less people between then and now who still play. So it isn’t just a Guardian thing although that is what is closer to our hearts.
Main – Laaz Rocket – Guardian (Ehmry Bay)
Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)
Any time you say you’re going to do something and don’t, you loose clients.
Maybe if they didn’t delete their Sales & Marketing Team after launch, we’d have better representation and they would be forced to do what they say they are…
But they don’t listen so why bother? Don’t believe it go back and read the December 10th thread. Flat out asked for suggestions, dialog, feedback, mentioned a possibility, even said possibility wouldn’t really be ideal, and ignored every suggestion thereafter. Furthermore, then change they said wouldn’t be viable they introduced anyway.
Yeah, The Dec 10th thread really showed just how little they really listen or care about working on guardians. “The sword buff isn’t that great, got any suggestions” “tons of suggestions” and still, 4 months later we sit with the original pointless buff with no changes or anything. The only thing they seemed to listen to was the baseless whining of guardian health pool, which isn’t even an issue, and even then they put it as a grandmaster trait that only helps bunkers, and those were not the people even complaining for it!
As far as condition guardian, I think they are just trying to hard in it. Instead of just giving us some extra conditions like we have asked for, they are trying to find some new creative way to do it, which is fine, but when the changes are almost horrible (see that we now have 2 condition grandmasters in a tree that does NOTHING for conditions) it just does not please anyone. Honestly, I would like to see the builds that A-net thinks these changes could accomplish, so we could at least talk to them and say hey, this is bad idea and it is not going to work due to this, this and this. instead of them just throwing out condition changes and thinking its going to just suddenly make a new group of builds.
I dont like any condition build nor do I play one, and I would never WANT a condi guardian, I am the OP of this topic.
Maybe I should have been more specific; that was aimed at ANet.
In order to make a condition Guardian even approach a level where anyone in their right mind would run one requires substantial changes not just to Guardian, but to conditions.
Is that a deal breaker? Heck no. Conditions have been needing overhauled since launch (along with Defiant/Unshakable) and we were promised that they were working on something to address the intrinsic flaws of the system as-is. I think it was as long ago as 15 months that this was mentioned by someone from ANet. The turnaround and rate of change in balance and system tweaking is utterly absurd.
There’s many valid points in this thread but Guardian can’t even think about being a condition contender in the current Conditions format, and the traits/changes being made within the confines of a broken system and without external mechanics of their own undermine the conditions Guardian argument even before there is one.
Conditions are just terrible all throughout the game, the stacking restrictions imposed by the core mechanics makes having more than one or two condition classes around useless anyways.
If they were to add more conditions to the Guardians repertoire, I’d rather see something disabling or debuffing than damaging anyways. Better fits with the concept of the guardian being a support/mitigation specialist. Chills, weakness, cripples, immobilize and blinds are all more interesting to me than burns.
For a class with pretty weak mobility over all it makes sense in my mind at least, yet Warriors have much better access to these despite their higher mobility, higher defense and generally better damage. shrug
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Any time you say you’re going to do something and don’t, you loose clients.
Maybe if they didn’t delete their Sales & Marketing Team after launch, we’d have better representation and they would be forced to do what they say they are…
Funny, their sales and marketing team are probably why they don’t talk too much.
There really should be more conditions on the guardian Independent of the zeal line. Useless pve traits like renewed justice should be combined with Justice is blind and we should get something like apply bleeds to burning opponents with each attack in it’s place. It also wouldn’t hurt to have grand masters in the condition damage line that had something to do with condition damage/allowing difficult to land attacks like banish to apply conditions like torment.
I prefer condition augmenting traits like terror and amplified wrath anyways, but you’re not going to find many people traiting 30 into zeal to get it.
So what you guys are saying is that my glacial heart/burn build isn’t viable? But, but… its fire and ice! And its different, so that makes it good right?
So what you guys are saying is that my glacial heart/burn build isn’t viable? But, but… its fire and ice! And its different, so that makes it good right?
Depends on if you care. I was thinking about a celestial chill/burn build that used grenth runes and it sounded pretty awesome till I remembered guardians only had burning. Would solve all my problems with guardian being unable to stick but I threw it out.
