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Posted by: NotoriousNaru.1705

NotoriousNaru.1705

So after a lot of testing in unranked Q’s and in scrims this is by far the most optimal version of DH. It’s pretty much the same but with shield over focus, and the new sigils.

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So there are afew reasons why I now run shield over focus:

1) Condi warrior being absolutely nerfed to the ground this patch.Before the warrior nerfs, guardians role as a side node 1v1er could not run shield over focus competitively because with the amounts of stuns and constant uptime of berserker mode made the focus absolutely necessary to avoid fatal f1s even when you’re CC’d.

2) All pulsing stab is gone. This means that all you have to do is wait in longbow till they swap to berserk mode, then you weapon swap and annul their stability, and you can cc the warrior even in zerk mode. This goes for necro shroud aswell.

3)With guardian being nerfed this patch, and power revenant being the EXACT same, it made that 1v1 close to a 50/50 on focus which is bad because guardian is a 1v1 role whereas rev is more of a roam/teamfight role. Shield makes the rev v dh matchup much easier, also with your new sigils you cripple a revenants dps so much that matchup is 70/30 to your favor(against good revs, bad revs will just melt). I tested this setup vs top revs and it is miles easier with shield.

For sigils you run Revocation/Escape on longbow, and annulment/agility on sword/shield.

Revocation sigil: The reasoning for this sigil is to basically make every tough DH matchup easier, and gurantee that you almost never die to a revenant. Druid/engis are both tough matchups for DH but they both also rely heavily on stacking might to do dmg, with revocation you are constantly ripping boons, and from testing I think it removes the most recent boon that they apply, and with might stacking classes(like rev/druid) alot of the times you rip their might and a rev or druid that just got 10-15 might stacks ripped doesnt do much.

Escape sigil: This sigil is really good for peeling out of situations, and you can control when to do it. When you swap to LB it removes chill,cripple, and immob to peel out and get some distance to range with your longbow.

Annulment/Agility sigils: Both of these on sword/shield give you a really strong burst right as you weapon swap. Weapon swap to quickness sword2 for the instant rip and then combo it with either 3 or 5 knockback. This burst hits really hard and vs necros/warriors should always be timed to rip their shroud or zerk mode stability.

After all the testing I’ve done here’s my take on the patch:
The meta is exactly the same. Nothing has changed except for anet absolutely being too brutal in nerfing warrior. But this post is about dh: Its role is still the same. The matchups we won before the patch, we still win now(with slight build adjustments), the matchups we stalemated we still stalemate and the matchups we lose we still lose.

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Posted by: Seteruss.4058

Seteruss.4058

same build with the one that i m using currently but with bane signet instead of judge’s intervention and soaring devastation instead of piercing light.
A very good build.
Occasionally swaping longbow with sc/focus.
Also i have sigil of agility on longbow for that extra amount of quickness.

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Posted by: alccode.1297

alccode.1297

With the new nerfs to LB (again) this meditrapper build is even less meta than it was before, and it wasn’t even meta in the first place. LB 2 is nerfed to the ground, LB 3 is very situational, and LB 4/5 are easily avoidable and merely gimmicks. LB 5 is in fact suicidal, as you are a sitting duck. As a guard myself, when I see another DH entering LB 5 this is the best time to spear them in and burst them down.

The symbolic build is much more powerful. Scepter/focus and sword/shield (or vice versa, sword/focus etc) give more sustain and more options. You see this trend in matches, even in ranked in last season. Very few effective LB use in ranked, much more scepter use, and to greater effect. It almost has the same range as LB (900 vs 1200), scepter 3 immob is deadly and can single-handedly win matchups to trap that almost dead ranger/thief/etc that was just about to escape, and scepter 1 punishes to great effect by stripping blocks and forcing enemies to engage when they’d prefer to stay at range. Mace+shield also gives great bunker potential and though situational and tricky to master, is nevertheless a much better option than LB.

Occasionally swaping longbow with sc/focus.

Just swap to it 100%, and reap the benefits.

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Posted by: NotoriousNaru.1705

NotoriousNaru.1705

Meditrapper is miles better than symbolic. Symbolic guardian actually serves 0 purpose in PvP. Meditrapper still maintains its role of being able to easily spike squishy classes(thief,mes,rev,necro) and hold 1v1s against druid/engi.

Basically, if you’re going to run symbolic you may aswell reroll to an engi or druid, they sustain better, with more mobility, more cleanse, and more stun breaks. On top of that meditrapper has teamfight presence, symbolic does not.

You see more symbolics in ranked as opposed to meditrapper because symbolic takes no thought process to play, you simply sit on a node and spam both your symbols on top of it, but the second you’re in a game where they ignore you and force you to teamfight you lose all of your usefulness in a game, which is why I said you may aswell reroll engi or druid because atleast then you will have options.

And idk if you realise this but almost all the nerfs that you think hit meditrapper also hit the symbolic spec with the exception of true shot and test of faith.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

This would be a build I’d use if I were going back to LB for sure, good post.

The ugly truth is, LB is tougher to use for the majority player base so most players jump ship to other builds that perform better for them in the lower leagues. The irony is that good LB guards like yourself can still dominate with this build, prioritizing pulls/knockbacks in ToF and Lb#3 CC. That aspect still hasn’t changed a whole lot but the clunkiness of LB is more apparent than ever.

LB vs Symbolic
As for power Symbolic vs Engi/Ranger, I would never engage them on foefire mid but for side points the guard is in favor.

In terms of mid fights, Shattered Aegis (I don’t use Virtues or menders) shouldn’t be underestimated. Just Shield#4 on your own team, Mesmer & clones, Engi & gyro, Ranger & pet, can yield more damage than a ToF combo. The trick is positioning and managing skills like Fragments of Faith.

Though we have in-game strat differences I’d like to fight you or your Engi/Ranger partners on side points or mid fights to determine LB/Symbolic effectiveness. If you’re down.

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Posted by: Permafrost.2695

Permafrost.2695

Honestly, I like the Aegis shatter build much better at this point.

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Posted by: Abelisk.4527

Abelisk.4527

I find Symbolic is great when taking the bunker variant.

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Posted by: Kuya.6495

Kuya.6495

Symbolic is way more flexible than the LB meditrapper build. You can go either menders or marauder with it and still have it be succesful, LB meditrapper requires a very specific playstyle to work and if you don’t have the team support, it’s meh. Symbolic even lets you carry harder due to the higher block up time that lets you 2v1 or 3v1 better if your opponents are sufficiently below you.

Symbolic is also strongest vs. condi builds, which are very common now that wars are going back to condi war and revs are going mallyx.

LB meditrapper only really works now if you are at the top 1% regarding mechanical skill, and if you have a competent team with you. For 99% of the guard population, LB meditrapper is garbage now.

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Posted by: Aeolus.3615

Aeolus.3615

u guys know anything on guard/DH w/o bow medis and traps..? that can be accepted as optimal or very decent?

pvp guard atm is everythign i dispise from the class…

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Posted by: Kuya.6495

Kuya.6495

With all the condition spam, you kind of have to take medis by default even if traps were optional (which most are).

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

Spartacus.3192

Being a trash tier player myself i can definitely say i have more success with Symbolic Marauder version than the LB Meditrapper now. The fact that there are more condi players now and symbolic takes Hunters Fortification rather than Heavy Light means you have much better condition clease. Then of course the perma symbols on a capture point is just too good in low tiers.

With the Marauders amulet i take Empowering Might rather than Pure of Heart for better might stacking.

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Posted by: otto.5684

otto.5684

I am not the most experienced, but overtime LB was demoted to a one trick pony. Do as much damage as fast as you can so you kill the opposition before you run out of DCDs.

Now, it has even less survivability and the damage was also nerfed. I can still see it good in a team format as it does the most AOE power damage of any build out there. In any other shape or form it sucks.

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Posted by: Caine.8204

Caine.8204

So I’ve been playing a burn guardian after the patch, and I have to say, I’m quite pleased with the results i’m finding.
I hope they don’t nerf before start of season.

http://imgur.com/UMcwEtA
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http://imgur.com/a/n2Psv

Just some examples.

I think this gives you a run for your money, Naru.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

The build shouldn’t beat a power LB DH. The build definitely doesn’t beat symbolic power with cleanse on block.

I remember playing with you in unrank. If you like to duel me sometime hit me up.

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Posted by: Loop.8106

Loop.8106

I will probably be sticking with the old Sword / Shield – Longbow build from last season. Even though the 6 sec cd trueshot feels clunky I feel like it still achieves what it is supposed to.
Ive been trying Saiyans Aegis symbolic build and I’ve been enjoying it, but it’s the same issue as with all symbol builds. It just doesn’t do anything. You’ll never get a kill using it do to having no chase potential and for just a point contester, there are better classes out there. Even for teamfighting, I’d take LB for the burst potential.

I have to say though, a well-timed shield 4 is one of the most satisfying moments Ive had since the old mediguard one shot moments.

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Posted by: Buran.3796

Buran.3796

Hunter’s Determination is a garbage trait to use. A random proc with 75 sec cd? Any of the alternatives is better.

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Posted by: Vitali.5039

Vitali.5039

Hunter’s Determination is a garbage trait to use. A random proc with 75 sec cd? Any of the alternatives is better.

It’s a good trait for who don’t run virtues (stability) and its’s amazing with shattered aegis.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

Hunter’s Determination is a garbage trait to use. A random proc with 75 sec cd? Any of the alternatives is better.

Any trait that can proc and prevent a down by denying a burst CC, is a darn good trait.

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Posted by: Caine.8204

Caine.8204

The build shouldn’t beat a power LB DH. The build definitely doesn’t beat symbolic power with cleanse on block.

I remember playing with you in unrank. If you like to duel me sometime hit me up.

It cant kill a symbolic but symbolics are useless and can only run or 1v1. This build is way better in a team fight than power DH, and can 1v1 a power DH.

Maybe has some difficulty with power rev, but other than that, a very solid build. wayyyy too much damage to be overlooked.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

The build shouldn’t beat a power LB DH. The build definitely doesn’t beat symbolic power with cleanse on block.

I remember playing with you in unrank. If you like to duel me sometime hit me up.

It cant kill a symbolic but symbolics are useless and can only run or 1v1.

I can’t help but beg to differ. My build performs tremendously well in skirmish mid fights. It can play any role except the 1v2 bunker role Menders Symbolic has on side points.

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Posted by: Caine.8204

Caine.8204

The build shouldn’t beat a power LB DH. The build definitely doesn’t beat symbolic power with cleanse on block.

I remember playing with you in unrank. If you like to duel me sometime hit me up.

It cant kill a symbolic but symbolics are useless and can only run or 1v1.

I can’t help but beg to differ. My build performs tremendously well in skirmish mid fights. It can play any role except the 1v2 bunker role Menders Symbolic has on side points.

If someone just ignores you and goes for your team, as a symbolic you just don’t have the damage to really pressure anyone.. If you’re running marauder ammy or something, you die much much easier than a mender’s symbolic, and you cant really 1v2 anymore.

Maybe 1v1 , but again, if I just walk away from you and ignore you its useless because your damage just isn’t high enough as symbolic.

As power DH, it’s still fairly good, but burn guard using his virtues and elite at the same time as the power DH will win against power DH as long as I don’t stand on you and take unnecessary power damage.

Whenever it’s a burn guard at 100% with full cooldowns vs power dh with the same, the burn DH will win. If it’s a symbolic, i just dont fight and instead lead them to a team fight where I can wipe them with AoE burn.

Burn DH is better in team fights as well. Way more damage, plus AoE cripple and vuln. just as good at surviving as a power DH as well.

Very good at reviving/preventing stomps/killing downed players too. I can often bait people to a corpse and then burst them down and either 1. force them off the body or 2. kill them before they can respond.

I win 2v1 very often, and I can even win a 3v1 at times. It’s ridiculous if you know how to play it right and land your abilities where you need them…and use your healing skills with 100% efficiency lol

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Posted by: Buran.3796

Buran.3796

Hunter’s Determination is a garbage trait to use. A random proc with 75 sec cd? Any of the alternatives is better.

Any trait that can proc and prevent a down by denying a burst CC, is a darn good trait.

Any trait that promotes passive play should be discouraged, and any trait with random passive activation which so long cooldown deserves to be discarded.

For the people which likes that kind of gameplay I would fervently suggest to play the Warrior (which is rich in passive procs, way more powerful and with smaller cooldowns).

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

Hunter’s Determination is a garbage trait to use. A random proc with 75 sec cd? Any of the alternatives is better.

Any trait that can proc and prevent a down by denying a burst CC, is a darn good trait.

Any trait that promotes passive play should be discouraged, and any trait with random passive activation which so long cooldown deserves to be discarded.

For the people which likes that kind of gameplay I would fervently suggest to play the Warrior (which is rich in passive procs, way more powerful and with smaller cooldowns).

We all agree with you that HoT brought a lot of passive play but that’s not going to prevent players from using optimal builds.

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Posted by: Permafrost.2695

Permafrost.2695

It’s extremely rare that I don’t get top DPS with the shatter aegis build. Like 10 days ago I was on a team with Rar and his thief duo. The thief took tops in that game. That’s how rare and memorable it is.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

The build shouldn’t beat a power LB DH. The build definitely doesn’t beat symbolic power with cleanse on block.

I remember playing with you in unrank. If you like to duel me sometime hit me up.

It cant kill a symbolic but symbolics are useless and can only run or 1v1.

I can’t help but beg to differ. My build performs tremendously well in skirmish mid fights. It can play any role except the 1v2 bunker role Menders Symbolic has on side points.

If someone just ignores you and goes for your team, as a symbolic you just don’t have the damage to really pressure anyone.. If you’re running marauder ammy or something, you die much much easier than a mender’s symbolic, and you cant really 1v2 anymore.

Maybe 1v1 , but again, if I just walk away from you and ignore you its useless because your damage just isn’t high enough as symbolic.

As power DH, it’s still fairly good, but burn guard using his virtues and elite at the same time as the power DH will win against power DH as long as I don’t stand on you and take unnecessary power damage.

Whenever it’s a burn guard at 100% with full cooldowns vs power dh with the same, the burn DH will win. If it’s a symbolic, i just dont fight and instead lead them to a team fight where I can wipe them with AoE burn.

Though I agree on some points, most are invalid in high tier play like the upcoming Unity tournament. Burn DH can perform exceptionally well in the right hands but 2 classes down right counters it on point and that’s Mes+Thief and/or DH. The build simply lacks Stability and Stunbreakers. Heck, a good thief alone can +1 100/0 the burn guard if his CoP/Judges/X Stunbreakers is on CD. It’s why I run SYG over SC.

In casual Ranked, that’s a different convo entirely. The burn build can out right 1v2 Rangers/Engi’s on point. The common player are not at the “ESL” level so you have a higher chance to 1vX classes as well. You’ll just have to be careful of double DH and double Thief comps up to Platinum rank.

The LB power meta should beat a burn DH. If one doesn’t then he’s not accustomed to fighting a burn DH/Core Guard.

My Marauder build does exceptionally well in team fights. I will not die to your burns unless I exhausted my cleanses or the fight is uneven.

One other thing I will agree with, these three builds are probably the most optimal ones DH has. If I see stacked Rangers/Engi, I’m running Burn DH.

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

Wolfric.9380

Hmm from my point of view as ele main.

Power meditrapper: I see them often slay my team (or the oposite …) …. But i personally don´t fear them. Good ones are definitly dangerous but if they overuse LB they are doomed …

Symbolic: While hard to kill i can ignore them often …. I just fight mainly from range.

Burn: When i run standard soldier rune/shout build i disable them. If not O_o …. (I wanted to play a bit diffrent for testing and used scavenging rune, got a burn DH on oposing team and he destroyed us … ) I don´t like it but all tries showed soldier rune is the way to go for ele :-(.

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Posted by: Caine.8204

Caine.8204

Hmm from my point of view as ele main.

Power meditrapper: I see them often slay my team (or the oposite …) …. But i personally don´t fear them. Good ones are definitly dangerous but if they overuse LB they are doomed …

Symbolic: While hard to kill i can ignore them often …. I just fight mainly from range.

Burn: When i run standard soldier rune/shout build i disable them. If not O_o …. (I wanted to play a bit diffrent for testing and used scavenging rune, got a burn DH on oposing team and he destroyed us … ) I don´t like it but all tries showed soldier rune is the way to go for ele :-(.

Eles will give me trouble if there is no condi on my team, but having 1 necro or thief that knows how to target is how i generally deal with eles >.>

a couple stuns, a little more condi cover…. mmmm a toasty ele.

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Posted by: Caine.8204

Caine.8204

I can kill mesmer, thief, AND DH. Any build. I just have to use my spear a little more actively against mesmer and thief, recharge it with my elite, dps, and spear them at low health a second time and i can handle it.

I can generally 1v1 against them and not die, i can hold point myself against them just fine….

Again, Power DH i have no trouble with either with 100% cooldowns on each side.

And yes, against an engi comp, I can straight up 3v1 on point and kill all 3 lmao..

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Posted by: Spartacus.3192

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Ignoring a marauder symbolic dh in a team fight is a mistake i think. I run mine with Empowering might and if ignored i can stack a tonne of might on myself and my team plus the aoe symbol heals. The damage capacity is not small.

When focused i still have all the defenses a meditrapper dh has except for the Virtues stunbreak on F3.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

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I can kill mesmer, thief, AND DH. Any build.

I can generally 1v1 against them and not die, i can hold point myself against them just fine….

Again, Power DH i have no trouble with either with 100% cooldowns on each side.

Wanna duel me for science? Haven’t power LB meta since the beginning of last season but pretty confident I’ll win. You won’t beat symbolic Mara but I can duel you on that too :p

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Posted by: Caine.8204

Caine.8204

I can kill mesmer, thief, AND DH. Any build.

I can generally 1v1 against them and not die, i can hold point myself against them just fine….

Again, Power DH i have no trouble with either with 100% cooldowns on each side.

Wanna duel me for science? Haven’t power LB meta since the beginning of last season but pretty confident I’ll win. You won’t beat symbolic Mara but I can duel you on that too :p

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

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Hey permafrost, mind linking me your shattered aegis build?

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Posted by: yLoon.5289

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Out of these 3 builds you guys are discussing,
Naru’s build is more versatile and provide more adaptive to various situation. Good for high rank matches.

Symbolic Power build is extremely strong in smaller cap point, but serve limited purpose in large capping point such as mid of Foefires. If there is more than 2 Eles on opposite team, I would swap to this build.

Burn Guard on the other hand is extremely weak against a well-played GS/Mace Warrior, due to limited break-stun skill. I would swap class/build if there is 3 Warriors in opposite team. Also, Diamond Skin Eles is your nemesis. The firepower of this build in group fight is the best though.

All builds are good, it depends on how you can foreseen and adapt to your opponent’s team composition in order to win the match!

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Posted by: Caine.8204

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Out of these 3 builds you guys are discussing,
Naru’s build is more versatile and provide more adaptive to various situation. Good for high rank matches.

Symbolic Power build is extremely strong in smaller cap point, but serve limited purpose in large capping point such as mid of Foefires. If there is more than 2 Eles on opposite team, I would swap to this build.

Burn Guard on the other hand is extremely weak against a well-played GS/Mace Warrior, due to limited break-stun skill. I would swap class/build if there is 3 Warriors in opposite team. Also, Diamond Skin Eles is your nemesis. The firepower of this build in group fight is the best though.

All builds are good, it depends on how you can foreseen and adapt to your opponent’s team composition in order to win the match!

I mean, the burn build has just as much survivability has a power DH, and far more damage. Even naru is forced to run from me. I had a 495 – 500 match with him the otherr day when he was queueing with Nos.

I can duel a diamond skin ele on point and win eventually, and even if he is with his team i can burn through the team. It’s not as countered as you think it is. It has high mobility, high suitability, and absolutely insane damage. I can run from warriors until resistance fades, or use my number of blocks to simply burn through resistance and remove with my sword rune…

it’s really quite nice. im in plat now.

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Posted by: Permafrost.2695

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Solo queue placement matches put me at 1648—I used the original proposal for the shattered aegis build.

Caine, just to clarify for myself, are you running Burn Guard or Burn DH?

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Posted by: NotoriousNaru.1705

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Burn guard and symbolic have always been ‘pugstomper’ builds, in low tiers they are extremely efficient but the more you climb and the better players you’re against those builds start to lose effectiveness, and its just because both are niche builds that are easily countered. Obviously everyone has their build preference but the build I linked is most optimal and its effectiveness is consistent in any tier of ranked play, the only catch is it is not as easy to play as symbolic or burn.

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Posted by: Caine.8204

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Well say what you will. I’m already sitting at #12 rating at 1636, so i’m going to assume the build is fairly good.

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Posted by: NotoriousNaru.1705

NotoriousNaru.1705

Play whatever you like obviously I’m not forcing you in to anything I’m just letting you know what works where and why is all. Everyone runs what they enjoy.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

Keep the kitten build measuring for Ranked games gentlemen

One thing for certain, DH build diversity is one of the best in this game. Players have 3 possible ways to play Guardian to some level of effectiveness and i’m not talking about just Bronze tier play. I hit Plat with burn guardian last season. For some that’s enough.

Thanks goes to Karl for listening to both sides of the community in terms of Guard’s build diversity.

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Posted by: Kuya.6495

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Well, at least we have a lot of options unlike some other classes. Shame guard still seems to suck for organized play though, if the last tournament is any indication. Hopefully ATs will increase viable high tier buildcraft for guard and discover something that is a must have for teamplay.

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Posted by: SharpAvalanche.5938

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one thing I would love to see is some footage of this ranked season , can’t find any streams/vods of people playing DH . hell it’s even a rare commodity when I’m playing .
on the topic tho ,I played meditrapper till 1400 rating EU ,then it just feels like I’m getting outhealed/sustained and dying to +1’s , can’t really outdps engis or even good eles to some extent . warriors/rev/necro , I can deal with in moderate timing .
gonna try the burn build though and any tips are appreciated (videos hopefully from peeps here )

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Posted by: Loop.8106

Loop.8106

one thing I would love to see is some footage of this ranked season , can’t find any streams/vods of people playing DH . hell it’s even a rare commodity when I’m playing .
on the topic tho ,I played meditrapper till 1400 rating EU ,then it just feels like I’m getting outhealed/sustained and dying to +1’s , can’t really outdps engis or even good eles to some extent . warriors/rev/necro , I can deal with in moderate timing .
gonna try the burn build though and any tips are appreciated (videos hopefully from peeps here )

In most of my games this season (~15/20) Ive been running with Sayians Shattered Aegis build. I would really recommend you trying it out if you feel you’re getting outsustained. There is absolutly no way you’ll ever lose to Scrappers / Druids or basicly anything thats not a warrior in 1v1.

You will maintain perma Retaliation which will be your main source of sustain in low-scale fights due to preassuring your opponent out. I’m duoing with a Druid this season and been winning 2v3s vs “high rated people” (top 30 EU).

You’ll also sustain quite well in 1v2’s and should be able to kite off point fairly easy depening on maps.

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Current Optimal DH in PvP

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Posted by: SharpAvalanche.5938

SharpAvalanche.5938

one thing I would love to see is some footage of this ranked season , can’t find any streams/vods of people playing DH . hell it’s even a rare commodity when I’m playing .
on the topic tho ,I played meditrapper till 1400 rating EU ,then it just feels like I’m getting outhealed/sustained and dying to +1’s , can’t really outdps engis or even good eles to some extent . warriors/rev/necro , I can deal with in moderate timing .
gonna try the burn build though and any tips are appreciated (videos hopefully from peeps here )

In most of my games this season (~15/20) Ive been running with Sayians Shattered Aegis build. I would really recommend you trying it out if you feel you’re getting outsustained. There is absolutly no way you’ll ever lose to Scrappers / Druids or basicly anything thats not a warrior in 1v1.

You will maintain perma Retaliation which will be your main source of sustain in low-scale fights due to preassuring your opponent out. I’m duoing with a Druid this season and been winning 2v3s vs “high rated people” (top 30 EU).

You’ll also sustain quite well in 1v2’s and should be able to kite off point fairly easy depening on maps.

are you talking about this build ? [PvP] Symbolic Zealer Burst build
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/PvP-Symbolic-Zealer-Burst-build
I fail to see where the retaliation comes from ? I think you meant aegis ?
and I would still prefer to see some gameplay footage if anyone is willing

Current Optimal DH in PvP

in Guardian

Posted by: YuiRS.8129

YuiRS.8129

are you talking about this build ? [PvP] Symbolic Zealer Burst build
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/PvP-Symbolic-Zealer-Burst-build
I fail to see where the retaliation comes from ? I think you meant aegis ?
and I would still prefer to see some gameplay footage if anyone is willing

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wrathful_Spirit

You’re spamming Aegis and getting tons of Retal for it.