Guild Wars 2

Hi After testing some guard builds and running with my new rev i would say the old Burn guard is much more better in pvp than the DH .
Most of the DH i can counter so easy but Burn guard are still a very difficult enemy to fight .
What do u think ?
I think I give Burn guard in tpvp a new chance

i think DH don’t have much condition removal, so they are weak vs conditions

i dont mean a fight vs these 2 builds and yes burn guard eats DH
last match i killed 2 of those at the same time lol

The problem is that burn guard falls way worse than DH against condition Heralds, which has similar spike damage with better sustain, group support and mobility.- At least DH offers a ton of AoE and cc, which puts pressure in the control points.

So: yes burn guardian can be better at duels, but that alone will not asure that you take the point. Seems to me that daze + knockback + pulls are more important, and even then, guardian/DH is outside the meta.

Buran.3796:

The problem is that burn guard falls way worse than DH against condition Heralds, which has similar spike damage with better sustain, group support and mobility.- At least DH offers a ton of AoE and cc, which puts pressure in the control points.

So: yes burn guardian can be better at duels, but that alone will not asure that you take the point. Seems to me that daze + knockback + pulls are more important, and even then, guardian/DH is outside the meta.

Well considering the rev nerfs tomorrow will pretty much gut the main strength of condi rev, the playing field will be more even, though reaper will probably be the top dog condition build, followed by guardian, then engi/ranger/mesmer

Mallyx got nerved ^^ the dmg is ok but the only thing is why all played this build is he had all the time resistance .
i had played this build for a while but viper rev got so easy countered vs necs and now he has 0 condi removal and low resistance .
Mallyx rev is out of meta
And he only was good in duells , power rev is better in teamfights
Lets make Burn guard rock at the T PvP , today it was so fun to play this build

Jaxom.7310:

i think DH don’t have much condition removal, so they are weak vs conditions

If you trait for it they do. My Bunker DH has zero problems with condis. Reducing DH to one dps meta build is silly but I guess this thead was about dps builds from the start.

Yes I mean DPS builds .
In general i mean this build works better in the most situations in pvp cause this build has almost the same dmg the same sustain and its not so easy to counter .

Burn guard is seems to be better because majority of pvpers are too used to fight with DH and hence knows how to counter them.

While when im feeling as a troll, i play burn guard. One day i pawned a Mesmer and a DH (both of them kissed floor at the same moment), they called me
“A Blast from the Past” Lol
Yeah so, surprise is still a vital element in pvp.

Legiion.7385:

Hi After testing some guard builds and running with my new rev i would say the old Burn guard is much more better in pvp than the DH .
Most of the DH i can counter so easy but Burn guard are still a very difficult enemy to fight .
What do u think ?
I think I give Burn guard in tpvp a new chance

Burn Guardian Pros

• Can beat most revs 1v1, when revs eat up most DH.
• Can beat most DH Guards 1v1 if DH don’t take Hunter’s Fortification but all other 1v1 fights are about the same level as DH, depending on their build setup.

Cons

• Lacks team AoE damages
• Lacks stability and stunbreaks; either we gain burn dmges and lose stab, or we lose dmges for stab gains :/
• Gets easily countered diamond skin
• Sustains worse in team fights, partly due to getting controlled easier by Mes, Necro,
  DH Pros
• Has more AoE damages
• More CC utilities
• Does fairly well 1v1 except for certain revs, scrappers and Eles. Non-issue if traps are preplaced.

Cons

• Revs, Scrappers and certain Ranger/Ele specs can outplay us 1v1

Burn Guard simply underperforms in the most important area of PvP, skirmish fights. Due to less stunbteak and stability utilities, they simply lack survivability as well as damages.

DH doesn’t offer much of anything for burn guardian so, core burn Guardian performs better than DH burn Guard. Their are certain core traits locked in Radiance/Valor/Virtues that’s needed.

Does burn guardnreally beat a DH in 1v1s? I remember before HoT, standard dps medi guard had a clear advantage against burn guards in 1v1s. Dps guards gain a lot more from DH spec than did burn guards so I would think they’d still have quite a bit of an advantage in 1v1s.

Also, remember that against certain builds that have multiple ways of cleansing a single condi (like HGH engi or medi guard w/ smite condition), the burning stacks are usually cleared before they can do much damage. Granted, you may still down those ppl in team fights when they are focusing on other players and/or condis that have been applied, but a (power) DH can also do the same. And I think the CC and stability DH offers gives it a slight edge in PvP.

I don’t see many burn guards these days, but that doesn’t mean it’s not still a good build. In fact, it may be even more viable now that people aren’t expecting to go up against them. Personally, I run a cele DH, relying on purging flames and symbol of energy for my burn stacks. The fire field, condi cleanse and reduced incoming condi duration that PF offers makes my cele trapper build extremely versatile and very supportive in team fights.

Plus, I absolutely love dropping test of faith and purging flames at the same time and then just pulling and knocking enemies back and forth thru the flaming ring of swords.

hotcarl.8621:

Also, remember that against certain builds that have multiple ways of cleansing a single condi (like HGH engi or medi guard w/ smite condition), the burning stacks are usually cleared before they can do much damage. Granted, you may still down those ppl in team fights when they are focusing on other players and/or condis that have been applied, but a (power) DH can also do the same. And I think the CC and stability DH offers gives it a slight edge in PvP.

I don’t see many burn guards these days, but that doesn’t mean it’s not still a good build. In fact, it may be even more viable now that people aren’t expecting to go up against them. Personally, I run a cele DH, relying on purging flames and symbol of energy for my burn stacks. The fire field, condi cleanse and reduced incoming condi duration that PF offers makes my cele trapper build extremely versatile and very supportive in team fights.

Plus, I absolutely love dropping test of faith and purging flames at the same time and then just pulling and knocking enemies back and forth thru the flaming ring of swords.

As much as I like that build type, it just isn’t on the same performance level as power DH.

Test of faith, traps, and PF isn’t nearly as rewarding on Cele amulet. You’ll do maybe 2k on ToF. Purging Flames can get easily cleansed off, it doesn’t stun anyone, and you don’t gain Fury or heals. The burn damages just isn’t their to sacrifice Trap or Medi utilities.

Atm, Burn Guardians are in a worse spot than prepatch. Before, we were viable 1v1 duelist builds but now, aside from beating some Revs with poor condi cleanses, we simply underperform compared to power DH.

Dh wins vs revs btw

I have bigger issues with Scrappers than Revs tbh. Out of all the classes, Revs counter me more. Well, them and Power Mesmers.