Guild Wars 2

As the title says just wondering how Guardians counter all the range in this game when they have the worst range in the game. What do you all do to keep yourself from being kited and what do you all do to keep on top of your enemy?

I pretty much only play PVP so I will answer based on that. For pvp, scepter helps stop enemies from kiting you. It is a medium ranged wep and has a 3 sec immobilize.

Not only that, but most weps have anti kiting abilities to some extent.

Hammer can immobilize, plus lock people in a circle they cant leave without stability.
Great Sword has a slow + the #5 which pulls people to you
1h Sword has the #2 which jumps to your target

1h Mace is the only one that I believe has no way to stop kiting.

Learn to LOS like a boss.

lol

I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.

Our weapons are our best tool for closing gaps, followed closely by our utilities. Now that hammer has been buffed, every melee weapon we possess has some sort of leap or teleport (aside from the mace, but very few people use that extensively, and it tends to be used in bunker specs that don’t focus on mobility anyway). It’s possible to get 100% swiftness uptime with the correct rune/trait setup and shouts, or focus on meditation utilities and traits for more teleporting and burst-style damage.

We also have tools to directly prevent kiting on the greatsword (leap, pull) and hammer (short leap, ranged immobilize, Ring of Warding, blowout if used to smash an enemy against a wall). If absolutely necessary, Tome of Wrath can be used to prevent kiting. Even though the scepter’s effective range is approximately 600 (any farther than that and the odds are are not a single bolt will touch an active enemy), it does have an immobilize, and does provide some ranged damage.

The tools are there—they’re not the most powerful things around, and your average Guardian will typically have some trouble keeping a good, active enemy in their sights depending on the weapon set you choose. That being said, we do have the durability to soak up a few hits before an enemy’s kiting ability really becomes gamechanging, and given the chance for a cooldown or two to come back up we can usually keep an enemy in range well enough to do serious damage or kill them.

Hardly, I guess.

Ranged classes don’t have means to perma slow others, so kiting is… hard. That’s not how the game was intended I think.
But to avoid being kited in the few seconds you will be immobilized/crippled, there’s plenty of tools.

First, you have the best ranged defense options: Wall of Reflection, Shield of the Avenger, Shield Skill #5, Sanctuary… as far as I can remember.
…then you have gap closers or pullers: Flashing Blade (Sword), Leap of Faith (Greatsword), Judge’s Intervention, Binding Blade for pulling.
…and condition removers: Smite Condition, Purging Flames, Signets (traited, or the random heal), Contemplation of Purity, among others.
…and immobilize of your own: Scepter’s #3, Hammer #4.

Mix a bit, and you can have plenty of ways to avoid being kited.

No, i never get kited.
We have plenty of tools to close the gaps or to defend ourselves, letting us close.

The only people who do are the ones who want ranged buffed and are using this as an excuse to complain.

We have so much utility. You need to choose ones that complement or fill gaps in your skillset due to your weapon choice.

What Danicco said, Wall of Reflection and Judge’s Intervention are wonderful for catching up with kiters. GS’s leap of faith #2 and chains #5, Staff’s quickness, Hammer #4 all meant to catch up to the kiters and lock them in for 2-3 seconds of Guardian loving.

After that there is no more kiting, but running away. I always go around with a ranger who can cripple from 1200 range, gives me just enough time to lock them in and do some anal probing.

Make sure you have retalitation up atleast if you ever do get caught in a kite.

Atleast then your doing dmg as hes trying to kite you. Your CDs should come back in enough time to allow you to jump on him.

Save Your Selves shout is really helpful here. Retaliation/Swiftness for 10sec and thats only 2 of the 10 boons

I’d imagine tPvP with smarter players is a bigger issue but for WvWvW and sPvP I haven’t really had any issues running hammer and scepter/X.

The less intelligent players will allow themselves to get caught in the hammer’s immobilize and once you have them stopped for a second you can toss a ring of warding around them and knock them over, giving you plenty of time to get a couple huge hits on them. If they’re still running, I use my shouts for speed boosts and the scepter’s immobilize to stop them again.

I don’t usually see them trying to kite me so much as get the heck away from me and never return.

I think thats the main thing. Yopu dont get kited as a guardian. People just run away

Danicco.3568:

First, you have the best ranged defense options: Wall of Reflection, S..

Wall of Reflection is awesome. I use it to “cut the cake”. In sPvP if I’m being double teamed by range fighters I would drop the Wall and move back and forth into the wall to kit the ranged playings. Its fun watching them struggle to get a shot on me while I twittle them down. (basically I try to make them fight me on my terms instead of chasing them).

In PvE if I’m fighting mobs with ranged and Melee i would drop the wall between the melee and ranged and kill the melee first.

In general Kitting is not an issue for me in spvp because I play bunker guardian. So normally there’s big target on my back. Between my wall of reflection, shield #5, and greatsword #5 ranged doesn’t bother me.

“Learn to LOS like a boss.
lol
I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.”

Every class in this game is designed to roll with a pack. The downed state mechanic especially helps make sure a very skilled player will have, mechanically, a more difficult time against 2 moderate/bad players. Can he win? Depends on how kitten the two enemies are, but one thing is for certain—as long as the downed state persists, the game is helping whoever has the advantage. All classes seem to have a buddy-buddy skill, so guardians really aren’t specifically set out to be in a group, I believe that’s just how this game functions.

It rewards people for just forming a big group and stomping. In WoW you could have people going out solo, downing two players and creating epic moments; in this game fighting two players who are bad is more annoying than satisfying (that was WoW back in the day, I don’t know what kind of kitten fest it has turned into now).

Running with the pack is just how to play here. Makes things simple, nicer, easier, casual, successful.

Teaturtle.2094:

“Learn to LOS like a boss.
lol
I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.”

Every class in this game is designed to roll with a pack. The downed state mechanic especially helps make sure a very skilled player will have, mechanically, a more difficult time against 2 moderate/bad players. Can he win? Depends on how kitten the two enemies are, but one thing is for certain—as long as the downed state persists, the game is helping whoever has the advantage. All classes seem to have a buddy-buddy skill, so guardians really aren’t specifically set out to be in a group, I believe that’s just how this game functions.

It rewards people for just forming a big group and stomping. In WoW you could have people going out solo, downing two players and creating epic moments; in this game fighting two players who are bad is more annoying than satisfying (that was WoW back in the day, I don’t know what kind of kitten fest it has turned into now).

Running with the pack is just how to play here. Makes things simple, nicer, easier, casual, successful.

Your choice to only run with a pack and to admit you cant handle anything alone is whats going to make you weak at your class.

Believe it or not, i have no trouble taking on people 1v1 in sPvP. even 2v1 i can still almost take out an enemy or down atleast one of them.

If you really find the most fun with running with the mob, then by all means do it. In WvW its necessary for the mob of allies to rush and distract so the organized commando groups can precision strike at certain areas without being bothered too much.

Sorry to say but the point of the mob you run with is to be Cannon Fodder and Human Shields

Not really. I’m running a GS/Hammer combo.

GS has a leap and pull
Hammer has two immobilise.

Then I can always run Judge’s Intervention.

Harbinger.8637:

Not really. I’m running a GS/Hammer combo.

GS has a leap and pull
Hammer has two immobilise.

Then I can always run Judge’s Intervention.

While I completely agree with our ability to close gaps between our opponents, we have no way of keeping them close after that(cripples). So if they survive the initial burst, it’s relatively easy for them to just retreat and come back.

rickshaw.5279:

Learn to LOS like a boss.

lol

I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.

While i agree we are powerful when with the group. From my experience were also one of the few classes that can roll solo without much fear. Only time i have to really watch my self when i rolling around capping points is when i notice the whole other party coming my way. 2-3 and i normally faceroll them without really a second glance. So saying the lone wolf is the wrong class is very misleading when were one of the best classes for this.

lol.. ok!

lol.. ok!If you can faceroll 2-3 enemy they are a: lvl 2 bosted to 80. B: Afk or C: targeting somethingelse and ignore you.

lol.. ok!If you can faceroll 2-3 enemy they are a: lvl 2 bosted to 80. B: Afk or C: targeting somethingelse and ignore you.Since you are talking about capping points its clearly pvp you are talking about.

You rarely get kited in GW2 and when it actually happens, its not for a long period of time. Guardians have plenty of options of closing gaps through snares, teleports, walls and leaps. Depending on your build, the guardian is actually one of the best 1vs1 professions. I often cringe if I have to fight another bunker guardian 1vs1.

Learn to LOS like a boss.
lol
I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.

Unless you’re running a completely dud build, there is no way you will get steamrolled 1vs1. One of the strengths of a guardian is being combat effective in pvp 1vs1. You will become a better player if you learn to fend for yourself.

Just to help you guys think out of the box a bit…

Try a combo of GS + Hammer. On the hammer put Superior sigil of hydromancy.

Leap towards your enemy, swap, profit.
You can also add the glacial heart to build up more freeze (should be 7s total of freeze I believe which is quite good).

This, by the way, works especially well near cliffs and jumping puzzles.

@MysticoN.5068

They may or may not be level 2 but thats is kinda a silly remark since some of the best PvP players i have seen have never touched the PvE side. All i know is that they have full sets of crafted PvP armor which means they spend some time in PvP. Few can actually handle a guardian in a SPvP fight if the guardian plays correctly and is geared correctly. I’ve been on teams when i go as my thief that were completely devestated by guardians. The rest of there team just hung back and watched as a couple of guard’s proceded to floorstomp everyone who got within range for there pull’s. So your insults arnt needed.

rickshaw.5279:

Learn to LOS like a boss.

lol

I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.

I care for myself , i play alone mostly.

Do i support other … sometimes, like in dungeons , only time i actually need a party aside from farming. Im always impressed people make builds that care for others not in your party.

Fact is guard can hold his own, if you cant, you are the one who need to take a better look at the class you are playing.

Nox Aeterna.2965:

rickshaw.5279:

Learn to LOS like a boss.

lol

I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.

I care for myself , i play alone mostly.

Do i support other … sometimes, like in dungeons , only time i actually need a party aside from farming. Im always impressed people make builds that care for others not in your party.

Fact is guard can hold his own, if you cant, you are the one who need to take a better look at the class you are playing.

I mostly solo too but I do put on “help others” skills as I am running to events like the dragon and actively try to shield and protect others. The way I see it, if the random stranger next to me survives that much longer because I shouted “hold the line” or took conditions off of them with “save yourself” – well, the event gets done sooner! It doesn’t take long and can make a difference.

Guardians can hold their own and do not have to run with a pack but I think a good guardian should adapt, especially since it can be done quickly, when they find themselves in a pack.

But then again, I was a healer in a the old trinity. So maybe its just the healer in me ^.^

Tinni.4351:

Nox Aeterna.2965:

rickshaw.5279:

Learn to LOS like a boss.

lol

I don’t go anywhere alone. Guards are designed to run with a pack. If you’re trying to run lone wolf you rolled the wrong class.

I care for myself , i play alone mostly.

Do i support other … sometimes, like in dungeons , only time i actually need a party aside from farming. Im always impressed people make builds that care for others not in your party.

Fact is guard can hold his own, if you cant, you are the one who need to take a better look at the class you are playing.

I mostly solo too but I do put on “help others” skills as I am running to events like the dragon and actively try to shield and protect others. The way I see it, if the random stranger next to me survives that much longer because I shouted “hold the line” or took conditions off of them with “save yourself” – well, the event gets done sooner! It doesn’t take long and can make a difference.

Guardians can hold their own and do not have to run with a pack but I think a good guardian should adapt, especially since it can be done quickly, when they find themselves in a pack.

But then again, I was a healer in a the old trinity. So maybe its just the healer in me ^.^

I normally run a build that is a mix in PvE. Its highly solo capable but at the same time i am fully able to support those around me at any given time. Then again im use to paladin type characters in my other games, not WoW just to get ride of that thought, i’ve played. So being able to kick over and do other roles has become second nature to me. Always felt closer to a healer/support specialist in my mindset than other warrior want-to-be paladin players due to all that paladin’s can normally do.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Wall of Reflection keeps kiting down, sometimes. When it’s not on cooldown.