Guild Wars 2

Hello everyone.
Since almost everyone is disappointed at Firebrand new Guardian elite spec, due to the preferences of some players asking to be more dps, condition dmg, support, healer, wouldn’t be more easy for deves to give a trait to this class that allows us to chose it? For example:

top trait would give you + healing power while wielding shield

Mid trait would give you + condition dmg while wielding torch

Lower trait allows you to wield axe off hand making you dual wield and increase power or crit.

It does not need to be this weapons.

This is a good solution and making this spec more versatile and giving you a chance to follow and play as you want with it. I belive guardian as enough healing and support builds, if they don’t work, giving a new spec is not a solution, because we will be playing with something we already have, if our healing and support builds are weak, they need a rework and a solution.

Giving players the expectation of a new elite spec like fire brand and in the end working it as an hybrid of condition dmg and support it will take the guardian down again. Give the players the opportunity to pik and fight as they want instead of forcing a way to play, dragon hunter was good at the start with the bow, nowdays you don’t see many players doing it because it’s just bad.

Make it viable to play please, do not give us something we already have . We want something new, the dual wield axe or giving a chance to change weapon combinations in exange for buffs while wielding them would be nice.

Have a nice day.

The people complaining havent even read all the traits. FB offers insane condition damage while providing permanent quickness that makes longer cast times irrelevant. Not to mention massive healing+utility. Our GM minor trait alone gives us passive 250 boost to cond damage, healing power and toughness. Axe AA stacks great amounts of burning and bleeding and F1 tome does the same but in massive scale.

You have to go trough the effort of hunting the tolltips here but so far I have found all skills and traits except F1 tomes epilogue skill.
https://youtu.be/nqj-yOPEudA?t=2

If they bring kits as tome skills than yes it could be promising, but now saddly its firetrash like pre hot DH.

it wont be a druid nor a water healer… not all support means heal, but will continue to do small heals like any guardian do

Hicci.8761:

The people complaining havent even read all the traits. FB offers insane condition damage while providing permanent quickness that makes longer cast times irrelevant. Not to mention massive healing+utility. Our GM minor trait alone gives us passive 250 boost to cond damage, healing power and toughness. Axe AA stacks great amounts of burning and bleeding and F1 tome does the same but in massive scale.

You have to go trough the effort of hunting the tolltips here but so far I have found all skills and traits except F1 tomes epilogue skill.
https://youtu.be/nqj-yOPEudA?t=2

She did not recorded skill at all cause they might change them cause its so underwhelming. We didnt see anything than her mouse going here and there on the screen. Very lazy stream by her.

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn and faster nothing more since it wont be a healer like water ele nor druid, ANet is making a gimmick trough what is op(condi spam) to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Mantra of solace i assume is the mantra heal????
3 casts, with 1k heal on first, 3k on last, but aegis on 2nd and 3rd cast…on 30 seconds CD…

sound good on paper… but how the game works with favoring power creep… easilly overhwelmed….

oh and probbaly Unrealenting crit*somehting will be nerfed…33% chance on daze targets and bleed with no CD.

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

So firebrand is class for world bosses? Pve hearts? So other elites have uses in pvp and firebrand was not intended for pvp and its locked only in 1 game mode?thats a bad thing to do. And btw DH is not that good in high level pvp.

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

As already said, but I want to emphasize it, DH is trash in pvp after you hit Platinum. It’s ok against noobs who are too terrible to use their defensives and don’t walk out of traps, but any competent diamond player will outsustain a DH and render him useless. The reason for this is that DH’s damage and mobility is pretty low.

Adrenalin.5719, that happens cause DH was a awfully bad designed…. like most stuff in hot was…

Effective due power creep momments its not a good design, even worse since Anet never cared much about how balance since class were always designed for surviability and damage on pve mainly.

Hicci.8761:

The people complaining havent even read all the traits. FB offers insane condition damage while providing permanent quickness that makes longer cast times irrelevant. Not to mention massive healing+utility. Our GM minor trait alone gives us passive 250 boost to cond damage, healing power and toughness. Axe AA stacks great amounts of burning and bleeding and F1 tome does the same but in massive scale.

You have to go trough the effort of hunting the tolltips here but so far I have found all skills and traits except F1 tomes epilogue skill.
https://youtu.be/nqj-yOPEudA?t=2

The GM minor gives +250 Condition Damage, Toughness and Healing Power while you are under the effects of Quickness. That’s hardly passive.

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn and faster nothing more since it wont be a healer like water ele nor druid, ANet is making a gimmick trough what is op(condi spam) to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Mantra of solace i assume is the mantra heal????
3 casts, with 1k heal on first, 3k on last, but aegis on 2nd and 3rd cast…on 30 seconds CD…

sound good on paper… but how the game works with favoring power creep… easilly overhwelmed….

oh and probbaly Unrealenting crit*somehting will be nerfed…33% chance on daze targets and bleed with no CD.

Did you read the trait tooltip?

It’s a Daze when activating a skill with a 1.25s cast time on an 8s cooldown plus a 33% chance to Bleed on one set of weapon skills… Hardly OP.

You guys don’t even read the skill descriptions properly, you haven’t seen everything or actually played it, yet you run to the forums to complain?

You should play Jump to Conclusions instead, it’s the game for you!

Ragnarox.9601:

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

So firebrand is class for world bosses? Pve hearts? So other elites have uses in pvp and firebrand was not intended for pvp and its locked only in 1 game mode?thats a bad thing to do. And btw DH is not that good in high level pvp.

Firebrand does have pvp uses but it was not the main focus. The elite mantra is literally 3 stun breaks in a row. Axe has powerful condi and #3 is a condi cc. Axe 2 also dazes and tomes have many skills that have instacasts.

In general i think firebrand was designed raid meta in mind to offer us a spot in there. We cant predict anything without seeing it ourselves.

Ezrael.6859:

Hicci.8761:

The people complaining havent even read all the traits. FB offers insane condition damage while providing permanent quickness that makes longer cast times irrelevant. Not to mention massive healing+utility. Our GM minor trait alone gives us passive 250 boost to cond damage, healing power and toughness. Axe AA stacks great amounts of burning and bleeding and F1 tome does the same but in massive scale.

You have to go trough the effort of hunting the tolltips here but so far I have found all skills and traits except F1 tomes epilogue skill.
https://youtu.be/nqj-yOPEudA?t=2

The GM minor gives +250 Condition Damage, Toughness and Healing Power while you are under the effects of Quickness. That’s hardly passive.

You’re right. Passive is a bad term to describe it. 100% uptime meanwhile is not since we WILL have 100% on quickness.

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

So firebrand is class for world bosses? Pve hearts? So other elites have uses in pvp and firebrand was not intended for pvp and its locked only in 1 game mode?thats a bad thing to do. And btw DH is not that good in high level pvp.

Firebrand does have pvp uses but it was not the main focus. The elite mantra is literally 3 stun breaks in a row. Axe has powerful condi and #3 is a condi cc. Axe 2 also dazes and tomes have many skills that have instacasts.

In general i think firebrand was designed raid meta in mind to offer us a spot in there. We cant predict anything without seeing it ourselves.

Tomes does not have insta casts, maybe only 1st skill.

Ezrael.6859:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601,()

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Did you read the trait tooltip?

It’s a Daze when activating a skill with a 1.25s cast time on an 8s cooldown plus a 33% chance to Bleed on one set of weapon skills… Hardly OP.

You guys don’t even read the skill descriptions properly, you haven’t seen everything or actually played it, yet you run to the forums to complain?

You should play Jump to Conclusions instead, it’s the game for you!

ill rewatch the video from peachy now on the pc , i checked it on the phone… since i missed the ICD, and yeah i noticed bleed was 33% chance on axe skills… i didnt jump do conclusions…. just some part missed due tiny screen :\ where the daze was on first strike/tick? of the symbol of veagence (the axe skill):\

is there any ohter source rather than peachy video(as in text source)?

Explain me how can a class based on condition dmg be good in PvP or pve with only 1 dmg condition.

In PvP easly cleaned, in pve fire boss are imune

migcun.5240:

Explain me how can a class based on condition dmg be good in PvP or pve with only 1 dmg condition.

In PvP easly cleaned, in pve fire boss are imune

Condi tempest has only 1 condition.

Regardless, firebrand does both burn and bleed.

I think firebrand looks pretty good tbh. Have to play with it first to get a more solid opinion tho.

possible solution? :O and how exactly have yall come to a conclusion that there is a problem…

Yeah, there is no problem. Firebrand has the purity of purpose. I can see axe/torch being popular in low PvP tiers insane cleave and 3,5s of slow every 5s thanks to axe #2 and #3. More tome oriented builds in higher PvP tiers. Other than that it has a huge raid and fractal potential. Come on a mantra (healing skill) which gives aegis to nearby allies and can be casted 3 times in a row. And of course Quickness. It does look good.

How exactly does a power-creeped version of the base guardian have “purity of purpose”?

Frankly I’d be shocked to see tome-based builds in PvP. Builds focused on damage and support do not work in close-range against living opponents that have brains.

There is no gameplay theme. The base of the spec is “loremaster” which has nothing to do with the gameplay. The spec is a bunch of random skills that are dressed with fancy tooltips about the lore of Elona to pretent like they belong.

The tomes are tacked on like an afterthought. Nothing synergizes with them, they could be removed and the spec would be exactly the same. You could have DH virtues there, and they would belong more, since they are themed after Paragon. They also have huge cooldowns to make sure they are as ignorable and forgettable as possible.

Axe is a purely condi dps weapon. Mantras pretent to be support, but offer nothing the class doesn’t already have. Aegis, burn, stability.

Then the traits are like they are pulled from a different elite spec, as they are all about quickness, when there’s nothing quickness-related in the rest of firebrand’s design.

A mess. It’s clear firebrand was phoned in.

I think that when you can provide 100 percent quickness uptime on whole party you cannot say that they are put there by a mistake

I didn’t say they are put there by mistake, but they didn’t work the quickness in the elite spec like they did with chrono. They just put 2 traits there and called it a day. Nothing else about firebrand has to do with quickness.

As someone who pretty much only plays WvW, I am actually pretty hyped about the new elite spec. But, unlike everyone else here it seems, I am going to wait to actually test it out before I really make a decision.

Most people have no idea how the spec will play…
I dont understand all this negative vibe..

If i am correct the class will play like an old fashioned battlemage…

Willit be fun? That remains to be seen and is obviously personal preference

RabbitUp.8294:

There is no gameplay theme. The base of the spec is “loremaster” which has nothing to do with the gameplay. The spec is a bunch of random skills that are dressed with fancy tooltips about the lore of Elona to pretent like they belong.

Exactly what I thought. All of that “fun facts about Elona” stuff kind of made me cringe a tiny bit to be honest.

RabbitUp.8294:

The tomes are tacked on like an afterthought. Nothing synergizes with them, they could be removed and the spec would be exactly the same. You could have DH virtues there, and they would belong more, since they are themed after Paragon. They also have huge cooldowns to make sure they are as ignorable and forgettable as possible.

As much as I hate them, DH virtues really would fit a lot better on this spec, mechanically I mean.

lordbachus.6091:

Most people have no idea how the spec will play…
I dont understand all this negative vibe..

I can read, I mained support guardians in all modes since the game was released, and I’ve seen all of the skills, so I’m pretty sure I know how it’s gonna play. I’m pretty sure other people can read too.

Ragnarox.9601:

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, for what it looked, virtues traited to castfire on a target zone plus new stuff to add more burn, ANet ismaking a gimmick trough what is op to carry the players nothing more, still its a very unmobile combat… easilly killed.

core guard falled extremelly^2 behind due new specs condi spam, and firetrash might be dangerous while supporting players ganking coreclasses… LOL

Actually I might farm those firebrands in next xpac so they might buff it somehow. I love guardians playing it from the start in 2012 but dont like the road it goes. Core need lot of attention but they made another useless support spec. Cant wait for a farmsfest in pvp and wvw.

I don’t think firebrand was ever intended to be a pvp class. We got DH for that.

So firebrand is class for world bosses? Pve hearts? So other elites have uses in pvp and firebrand was not intended for pvp and its locked only in 1 game mode?thats a bad thing to do. And btw DH is not that good in high level pvp.

Define high level PvP. Plat T3 in Ranked or the handful of teams in daily AT’s or Unity?