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Posted by: Dynnen.6405

Dynnen.6405

Looking at the other profession forums this seems to be the right combination to get the ‘right people’ looking at the forum page. So can you guys please do two things for us?

1) Give us a road map on where you plan to take Guardians, and your thoughts on the class itself. The live streams have done little to answer any questions we have of the class. Or just have a live stream thats for each class.

2) Please look at this forum post: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guardian-Collaborative-Development/page/3#post3079645
There are some really good suggestions on here, and since its quite polite in there with stuff like min-maxing and no name calling, it’d be nice to hear from you guys =D

v/r

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Posted by: Finnway.2183

Finnway.2183

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This game is not about out-DPSing you. It’s about out-flashing you.

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Posted by: Hunter.4783

Hunter.4783

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,
the rest of the player base is running full PTV staff 0/0/30/30/10 without giving other skills a second thought. For me they are simply mindless drones and will run what is considered “effective” 4 months ago;.

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Posted by: Svarty.8019

Svarty.8019

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,
the rest of the player base is running full PTV staff 0/0/30/30/10 without giving other skills a second thought. For me they are simply mindless drones and will run what is considered “effective” 4 months ago;.

This is a fact. I know I do – frankly, other builds just don’t have a patch on it thus we are forced to spec that way.

Edit: When enemies are churning out this kind of damage, it forces all guardians to try to make up for our abysmal base HPs. That’s the ball-and-chain that’s preventing us from speccing as we like.

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Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.

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Posted by: aiidentro.2074

aiidentro.2074

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,
the rest of the player base is running full PTV staff 0/0/30/30/10 without giving other skills a second thought. For me they are simply mindless drones and will run what is considered “effective” 4 months ago;.

This is a fact. I know I do – frankly, other builds just don’t have a patch on it thus we are forced to spec that way.

Iam trying hard to make a tank/dps build, but everyone says…PTV, PTV, PTV, PTV……

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Posted by: Relentliss.2170

Relentliss.2170

Your job in high tier wvw is to stay alive. Healway and AH builds provide that.

Good players will simply find counters to your hybrid builds if you try to roam.

So you can belittle the builds people run, but they work.

In short our builds are really limited by our small health pool. Staying alive is often a struggle in many situations. Same story for Ele.

I think there are some amazing ideas in the collaborative page. I hope the devs take notice.

We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional

Anet lied (where’s the Manifesto now?)

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Posted by: Naranek.3467

Naranek.3467

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,
the rest of the player base is running full PTV staff 0/0/30/30/10 without giving other skills a second thought. For me they are simply mindless drones and will run what is considered “effective” 4 months ago;.

I run AH staff 0/0/30/30/10 because I like it. I did not choose it because of its effectiveness, nor will I change it for the same reason.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

I’m not sure if this will happen at some point but in other MMO’s i’ve been involved with, there was an organization of players (or sometimes just one player) that represented the profession from the player’s perspective. They had a more direct communication line between the Devs and themselves than the average player did. It was a good approach and helped push certain things along. This would be one of them.

It’s more effective than having people post in threads they don’t understand how to use . For example, the PLAYER COLLABORATION THREAD is for ideas and less so for discussion and arguing and talking about warriors.

Just to swing the vote. I’m still onboard with the defensive team support idea of the Guardian Profession but either 1) those defensive things need to have a greater impact in PVE or 2) they need to have better side-effects for offensively-oriented PVE content.

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Posted by: Dynnen.6405

Dynnen.6405

They changed the title of the forum post =*(

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Posted by: Finnway.2183

Finnway.2183

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,

Uhhh… no? What about the community on Reddit or GW2 Guru? I never commented in this thread, and I disagree with some of the suggestions. Half of them are overpowered, and some of them even break current Guardian builds.

By “a small portion of Guardian players” what I really mean is “less then 30 people.”

This game is not about out-DPSing you. It’s about out-flashing you.

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Posted by: Dynnen.6405

Dynnen.6405

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,

Uhhh… no? What about the community on Reddit or GW2 Guru? I never commented in this thread, and I disagree with some of the suggestions. Half of them are overpowered, and some of them even break current Guardian builds.

By “a small portion of Guardian players” what I really mean is “less then 30 people.”

Not all the suggested changes are solid ones, but there are quite a few good ones. And theres some glaringly bad issues with some of our weapons that just need to be fixed. Talent trees need to be streamlined, Guard mechanics need my dynamic, etc. There needs to be some changes…

Can you link these reddit posts that are so much better than our suggestions?

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Posted by: TheGuy.3568

TheGuy.3568

Ok like i said in the collaborative development post many of thideas tossed out there would just make guardian OP. Not everyone runs 0 0 30 30 10 in WvW. Roamers generally run meditations.

As far as the future of the class the depends on what the devs do. If they take hard look at us and the meta across the board we would likely see some buffs but probably not the ones we need for WvW but the ones for Spvp DPS builds (bunkers are fine). Base stat increase is likely necessary but they haven’t done that on anything except pets so I wouldn’t expect it. No real point going it. there are some issues but Anet isn’t rushing decisions like they did early on. End of year/next year might see a real balance patch but in the short expect little changes here and there and maybe almost none to this particular class.

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Posted by: Hunter.4783

Hunter.4783

This feedback only represents a small portion of Guardian players.

This small portion is what truly matters,

Uhhh… no? What about the community on Reddit or GW2 Guru? I never commented in this thread, and I disagree with some of the suggestions. Half of them are overpowered, and some of them even break current Guardian builds.

By “a small portion of Guardian players” what I really mean is “less then 30 people.”

Reddit posters can very easily post on these forums, same as guru posters. Guru forums are for the most time dead anyways.

At most you see a few theorycrafters like GK try to tell us how awesome they are for running full Glass cannon and setting clear records in CoFp1 …or lupi

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Posted by: akamon.2769

akamon.2769

i post on reddit. i post on here. i post on guru (though lot less here now). : ))

i don’t think it’s a bad idea. i do hope ANet is looking at the threads.. no one’s asking them to just implement any given idea that was ever suggested. that’s just silly. but there are ideas and ANet asked for ideas and in fact the crazier the better. who knows, mgith spark the exact formula needed to be able to enhance the Guardian class, add a little more flavor, and still be relatively balanced.

again, there’s never gonna be a one off, over night fix that’ll magically change everything. these changes will have to come over time. and player feed back will be needed to do that. suggestions. ideas. what not.

that being said, would love to hear morein depth what the Devs think of the Guardian class, how they’d liek to see us and if any further changes are on the table right now. anything would be mildly interesting.

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Posted by: Tarsius.3170

Tarsius.3170

A set of live streams focussing on each profession would be nice, but:

Live stream: state of the warrior [2:39:06]
Live stream: state of the mesmer [0:45:23]
Live stream: state of the elemtalist [0:47:53]
Live stream: state of the blue bubble guy [0:00:37]
Live stream: state of the ranger [0:43:12]
… snip …

Warhaft Tarsius – Asura Guardian ( Desolation ) – [NUKE]
Guardian FAQ · BUGS · HEALING

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Posted by: akamon.2769

akamon.2769

ha, i’ve never actually listenined to their streams.. but i’ve heard the stories. i’ve heard the stories…

makes me feel like the few grains of cereal that get stuck inside the box, but outside of the bag after pouring some out.

“we know you’re there, at that moment.. and we’re like dangit, what a waste. maybe i should try to pick ’em bac—oh well.”

and then that moment passes until the next time it happens again.

am i being too sensitive? XDD

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Posted by: Irsei.6802

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ha, i’ve never actually listenined to their streams.. but i’ve heard the stories. i’ve heard the stories…

makes me feel like the few grains of cereal that get stuck inside the box, but outside of the bag after pouring some out.

“we know you’re there, at that moment.. and we’re like dangit, what a waste. maybe i should try to pick ’em bac—oh well.”

and then that moment passes until the next time it happens again.

am i being too sensitive? XDD

No that is a good example of how Guardians are being treated. But I have said it before.. ever game has one of these classes the devs just dont have any enthusiasm for.

Please ArenaNet… find a Dev for the next profession live stream that actually knows the Guardian class and gets as excited as the devs were about warriors last time!

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Posted by: Cameirus.8407

Cameirus.8407

No that is a good example of how Guardians are being treated. But I have said it before.. ever game has one of these classes the devs just dont have any enthusiasm for.

Please ArenaNet… find a Dev for the next profession live stream that actually knows the Guardian class and gets as excited as the devs were about warriors last time!

Problem is GW2 has about 4 classes the devs dont seam to care about or have a clue how to make work as well as the others.