Guild Wars 2

Dark Kain.3870:

So: the positive aspect is that they are actually reading the forum, since it is obvious they have recognized the overall nerf to GS Symbol Builds.
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im really not so sure of this… too many good suggestions, and no one listen…

Not at all sure I agree with them noticing or reading into anything properly at this point. This tiny buff to the symbol damage all but fixes what is truly wrong with the Greatsword.

For one, it doesn’t fix the layout, which is what bugs most players.

Those interested in the damage, the math, all can tell anyone at any given time that this +10% damage doesn’t get anywhere near fixing or altering what the initial nerf broke. It also does not adjust the retaliation thing they claimed was the aim of the fix. NOTHING was fixed by the Greatsword adjustments, as of yet.

I’m still waiting for that enlightening explanation. Sixteen days now, is it… mrmh.

People asked (in this thread no less) for PvE and PvP skill separation, they also noted repeatedly the Leap of Faith bug.

The current patch is obviously trying in giving concrete form to some of our requests, however I still think the direction they took does not conform to the real needs of the community (number 1 in list the uttelry boring gamplay that now afflicts the GS).
Mostly due to a total absence of communication between Arenanet and its guardian fans.

ANet, what the hell?

You claim to buff guardian GS combo ability, but actually nerf them by doubling the cooldown on GS combo field.
You claim to nerf retaliation, but do not touch the problem builds, instead you give GS -5s cooldown on its Leap finisher for more potential Retaliation from that.
Instead, you break GS symbol builds, make GS boring and change the forced bind order.
Afterwards, you do not listen to player feedback and revert the change, instead you try to fix it by minor changed to completely wrong things.

Maybe if we get to 1k replys we will get Anet’s attention. don think it will happen dough.

So, most of people Said that GS was nerfed, because of it incredible damage output istead of the retaliation ISSUE. so i have tried the raw damage of Hammer and GS

Now, i know that gw2 its not all about damage, but its also , avoiding and controlling, but keep a look on the damage can be helpfull to all of us, so dont go OT, im not attacking no one, im not asking to nerf nothing.

The target of my test is a HEAVY dummy of the PVP area.
I have used a rune of soldier (no damage influence)
NO random boons
NO sigils with random effect
i have used only neutral traits wich dont give random offensive effects or change the damage of a single weapon.

my first test was made with soldier amulet(soldier jewel) with a bare 4% on crit chance.

GS (value on seconds) 10.47\12.57\11.56\11.84\12.50
HAMMER (value on seconds) 13.79\13.46\14.44\14.95\12.98

so, with no precision the gs burst component is superior then hammer, but for the test on GS to achieve this speed, i need to SPAM all my 5 skills, for hammer i need only the 1112 rotation. (so i can keep all my controls)
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for the second test i used a +5% crit sigil and berserk amulet(berserk jewel)

GS: 9.52\9.82\9.54\9.74\9.30
HAMMER: 9.80\11.77\9.90\10.40\10.50

in the second test. the hammer damage grow a lot, only adding more crit chance, and i have used the same rotation of the previuos test, so GS=spam all skill(and then i have 7\8 secs of autoattack for the next wirl), Hammer= 1112
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Ok now, this is not a 100% exact test, with no traits and no random boons, but for all that keep saying that GS was nerfed because it was TOO OP…
now, with this values i can say, NO, it was nerfed because SOW give retaliation!

Ganzo.5079:

Ok now, this is not a 100% exact test, with no traits and no random boons, but for all that keep saying that GS was nerfed because it was TOO OP…
now, with this values i can say, NO, it was nerfed because SOW give retaliation!

I’ve actually seen another damage test thread here on these forums that shows the Greatsword and Scepter have the highest damage output in a given time-frame, regardless of whether the Hammer uses the 1 chain + 2 or whether it sticks purely to the 1 chain.

Link for that thread is here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Scepter-DPS-Tested-To-Equal-GS-DPS/first#post474596

One of the actual issues left unresolved with the Greatsword nerf however is more than just the damage loss. Even if the Greatsword was indeed nerfed because SoW gives Retaliation, it was a clunky and not well-thought-out nerf because it negatively effected several Symbol-based build options with the Greatsword. The issue is a lot more than just damage or the skillbar locations being moved around. A major issue is that build versatility for the Greatsword was hit in a big way by this nerf.

Take a look at this thread that MajorMelchett started. Read the first real post (not the initial post, so basically the second post), and you’ll see a quote there from me explaining the issues and collateral damage to builds done by this Greatsword nerf.

Link: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Greatsword-Symbol-Retaliation-Change-7-10-12/first#post411876

Quick summary from that thread:

Closing/Summary.

The Greatsword gave build variety and versatility. With this unnecessary nerf the Greatsword has become only a tool for finishers, and the symbol synergy it did have has been so severely hit that it’s simply not worth using the Greatsword in any symbol/AoE builds anymore. Yeah, it CAN still be done…but it’s nowhere near as fun or as effective as it used to be, and there is no reason for it to be the way it is now (especially since the nerf was supposed to be to perma-Retaliation builds!).

If Retaliation builds REALLY were the intended target, then work on Retaliation.

There is NO reason for the Symbol of Wrath cooldown to be THAT high. The nerf to the Greatsword has put a huge dent in the build variety and versatility it had previously, as well as hitting the damage and AoE ability of the weapon by more than any reasonable amount. On top of that, many symbol-boosting traits simply do NOT benefit the Greatsword like they used to, and this is a huge problem considering the Greatsword has a symbol in it’s skillset, and that the main trait line that boosts offensive symbol usage (Zeal) is tied to/provides traits to encourage Greatsword usage!

If the Symbol giving Retaliation is the problem, then simply make it give Fury or Might instead!, I cannot believe that ArenaNet went through with this change without considering any of the ramifications it would have on other builds involving the Greatsword.

gs’s rotation feels pretty chunky atm. We have to rely on auto attack for a while after buring all our cds, and that kinda suck the fun out of the greatsword game play.

unlike hammer, there is no purpose in GS’s auto attack other than watching your sword swing. what is worse is that even with 2 hand mastery, it takes about 1.5 cycle of auto attack before your earliest skill refresh (ww)….

speaking of ww, under the current change, it is very difficult to combo SoW and WW after the initial opener because WW has a faster cd than SoW.

our leap of faith has a 12 sec cd after 2 hand mastery…

what people really want isn’t more damage in the tree. We dont really care about maxing out our damage because there is no dps meter in gw2. What we want, is to make GS exciting to play by having a smoother skill rotations and comboing.

At the current stat hammer is superior than Greatsword in both pvp pve AND WvW, not because it deals more damage (it does), but because its rotation feels smooth, in control, and fun.

I won’t even bother with greatsword right now if it’s not the freaking awesome halloween greatsword…but i really want to swing my big kitten chainsword in style without aimlessly autoattack for 1.5 cycle before my next ability is ready.