Guild Wars 2

I really like the Shield changes, but i have to complain about the rest sadly. I dont get the nerf of “Feel my Wrath”. Bunker Guard wasnt really a thing in pvp (atleast not in top teams). 45 seconds cd seems too much to me. Maybe 30s is to low. Meet in the middle?
Also im really sad that there are no other changes at all. Trait changes. Looking at you “glacial heart”. I think it was discussed in the forums enough. Bring it back to valor pls.
I would still suggest to move the shield trait into adapt tier in valor (put together with condiremove trait) and put “glacial heart” back as a valor master trait

They said that these weren’t all the changes, they were just hitting a few for each class. Granted Guardian and Thief were the fewest.

You know for a brief second i thought we might see some positive changes, but no… more nerfs, shield is still garbage.

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

Anet nerfs feel my wrath when its only run by bunker guard cuz its too strong? Says kitten who? U listen to abjured or some bs lol? pls…………………tell me this is a joke

shield could be fine.
didnt know there is more varathiel. guess we have to wait then.
Well incase they do read the guard forums (?), maybe they think about the “feel my wrath” cooldown again. maybe make it 36-40

Arnath.2319:

You know for a brief second i thought we might see some positive changes, but no… more nerfs, shield is still garbage.

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

Aegis on shield #4 single-handely makes shield awesome. Moving bubble is a nice extra on top of it (for PvE, it’ll be awesome in PvP).

DiogoSilva.7089:

Arnath.2319:

You know for a brief second i thought we might see some positive changes, but no… more nerfs, shield is still garbage.

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

Aegis on shield #4 single-handely makes shield awesome. Moving bubble is a nice extra on top of it (for PvE, it’ll be awesome in PvP).

Hardly, if anything Shield 2 is now worse then it was. If it’s only going to last 1 second it should at least make us and everyone in the bubble immune to all damage. A pathetic projectile absorb is nothing these days considering almost every profession now has access to it.

And 4 seconds of Aegis? LOL! Focus is far superior.

Um, the 4 seconds of Aegis normalization is unrelated to the Shield — that was talking about the effect from clicking f3 — Virtue of Courage’s active effect.

Shield Skill #4 was not mentioned.

Nike.2631:

Um, the 4 seconds of Aegis normalization is unrelated to the Shield — that was talking about the effect from clicking f3 — Virtue of Courage’s active effect.

Shield Skill #4 was not mentioned.

Virtue of Courage is already normalized. It’s Shield of Judgment (they clearly called it by that name) that has a pve/ pvp split with its protection duration (5 and 3 seconds, exactly as they have stated), and its now going to be normalized. Except they called the boon aegis, which as the confusing part, and only later mentioned the protection effect.

Ah. That would be confusing, yes .

Nike.2631:

Ah. That would be confusing, yes .

I just saw Roy Cronacher in-game and asked him about that.

Shield #4 will apply BOTH aegis and protection.

Love of the change to Shield of Judgement! Bravo. This is exactly what I wanted.

As for Shield of Absorption . . . uh . . . I really like that we’re no longer rooted . . . but such a drastic reduction to the channeling time feels like this is more of a nerf. I guess we’ll just see, huh? I hope I’m wrong.

EDIT: Okie dokie, so it seems the info I read about the change to Shield of Absorption was initially typed wrong. I had it in my head channeling = duration for some reason. Silly me. What the change actually meant was that the channeling time will be increased to balance the buff effect of being able to move.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Nike.2631:

Ah. That would be confusing, yes .

I just saw Roy Cronacher in-game and asked him about that.

Shield #4 will apply BOTH aegis and protection.

BOO-YAH!!!

Aegis on a shield skill. Our prayers to the eternal blue-white fire have been answered.

Longbow/Sword + Shield Zerg-lord, here I come!

xinkspillx.3914:

Love of the change to Shield of Judgement! Bravo. This is exactly what I wanted.

As for Shield of Absorption . . . uh . . . I really like that we’re no longer rooted . . . but such a drastic reduction to the channeling time feels like this is more of a nerf. I guess we’ll just see, huh? I hope I’m wrong.

a nerf to channelling time? He said from 1 and 1/2 seconds to 4 seconds. I thought that was a great boon.

Varathiel.9128:

They said that these weren’t all the changes, they were just hitting a few for each class. Granted Guardian and Thief were the fewest.

They say that every time and every time the previewed changes were the only ones we got.

Requiemcliff.1920:

xinkspillx.3914:

Love of the change to Shield of Judgement! Bravo. This is exactly what I wanted.

As for Shield of Absorption . . . uh . . . I really like that we’re no longer rooted . . . but such a drastic reduction to the channeling time feels like this is more of a nerf. I guess we’ll just see, huh? I hope I’m wrong.

a nerf to channelling time? He said from 1 and 1/2 seconds to 4 seconds. I thought that was a great boon.

Okay, disregard this . . . the information on dulfy.net was typed wrong. I didn’t actually get to see the stream and was following along through notes. I don’t know why I had it in my head that channeling time = duration. This is actually the way of balancing the ability to move with Shield of Absorption now – it takes longer to channel the skill.

Sorry for the confusion! Blame Dulfy’s excitement! It has been corrected now.

Arnath.2319:

You know for a brief second i thought we might see some positive changes, but no… more nerfs, shield is still garbage.

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

..they gave us the boons we wanted for shield, 4 seconds of aegis added to the 4 skill, increased the channelling for 5 skill and gave us movement…it’s not a bad change to be honest.

And to be honest, Feel My Wrath was a bit OP, (Maybe nerf to 40 seconds or 35, but still)

And by your logic, Feel My Wrath is the only redeeming quality of the Guardian based on that being the only nerf they really had, Wait till tuesday I suppose to see other changes, but calm down mate :P

(Also, video to the changes, since Dulfy seemed to have rushed the notes)

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/17742956?t=163m29s

Look out here comes the guardian, Shield of Judgment will now apply 4s of Aegis . We will be utterly OP now.

Utterly OP? Nah. Able to squeeze more out of the cleanse on block trait for DH and more ways core Guard delivers AoE Aegis and continues to hold a passable place in the support meta? I ain’t spitting on it.

FMW really does need a nerf, to be honest. Even with a (45) second cooldown, it’s still going to be very strong.

That being said though, aegis on shield 4 is nice, but I was really hoping we could just, y’know, get rid of the channel on the bubble? I’m not going to waste 4 seconds holding that up when I could be doing something more valuable with my time. Being able to move isn’t going to change this.

I’d say that I was expecting more, but we’ve gone through this enough for me to know better by now.

Shield changes, yay! I’m one of those Guardians that has mainly stuck with sword/shield as most used weaponry ever since launch, just because it…felt right. Glad to get some buffs for it finally, much needed!

And yes, I can actually agree on the nerf to Feel My Wrath, I suspected it’d be nerfed sooner or later, that cooldown was insane when traited. :P

I have the feeling the channeling is a nerf. I mostly like this skill for the knock back, then I still want to do stuff. If you cancel the channel, you probably can do as usual, but then you lost the bubble…

Dat Shattered Aegis tho
Dat Amplified Wrath + Guardian Rune burning
Dat healing with Pure of Heart
Dat condi removal from Hunter’s Fortification.
20-25% prot and aegis uptime, and 1:1 damage: power ratio. Shield 4 is quality.
Shield 5 roving bubble? Excellent.

FmW cooldown to kitten Honestly not a huge deal. It’s significant, but not hugely significant.

SY! PvE normalization? Taste the rainbow, feel the boons

Not sure about the shield change, as others have stated, i’m not going to stand there for 4 seconds after the initial kb when I have more important stuff to do. Unless this constantly kb’s people, it’s a weird change.

Shield 4 is nice, mostly for the prot increase.

I hope we get a look at a lot of traits and other skills such as.

Zealous Scepter, Purity of Body, Symbolic Avenger, Might of the Protector and Valorous defense to name a few. I feel as if some of these work against the class mechanic while others are completely unnoticeable.

Just to reiterate, a lot of dmg was lost with the recent trait overhaul(4 dmg modifiers gone). Also, sustain was lessened with most dps builds since you can’t go 1 into Honor for vigor. A lot of negative changes were inflicted and i’m hoping there’s some decent balance there.

What did you all expect?

I mean we get nerfed EVERY SINGLE PATCH.

I have never seen a company F a class so much and so often as arena net.
We have no godkitten roll, we cant do as much damage as a warrior, nor do we have their health. Reaver does way more and has much better… EVERYTHING. Of the 3 heavy armor classes we are by far the most useless now.

You’ve gutted all the healing builds and nerfed most of our support builds down to one. Medi healing is the only viable heal type build. Its real godkitten cute how you nerfed altruistic healing into the ground without actually nerfing the ability by smashing our buffing power. Was our clothie health pool adressed? was our lack of channeled defensive abilities addressed?

You even destroyed spirit weapon builds, a godkitten gimmick build. It was BARELY VIABLE yet the spirit weapons had to be killable? Now spirit weapons explode in 1 hit to any aoe in pve, and pvp whats the point? My god, over 75% of the skills the guardian has are worthless and never used, thanks for giving us an elite spec to push that % up into the 80s.

Im done, ban me if you must for this post. I don’t really care, and from my point of view neither do you.

Guards are broke

Every other class is so far better and yet again more nerfs to guard.
eles and engies are anet favs, its obvious
thief got a little love, which is needed

Anet if you want to fix guards start off by taking the hammer skill out of bizarro land, roll justice is blind into virtues and make the passive effects of virtues permanent. FMW nerf can’t be justified when renewed focus is almost mandatory. I can’t even get into dragon hunter, it’s just terrible. My four level 80 guards are logging in less and less . GL to all that play guardian, the torch is dim til someone with some balls steps in.

Landaren.9875:

I have never seen a company F a class so much and so often as arena net.

You apparently have a very different definition of that phrase. Also, you probably haven’t played any other game ever.

Landaren.9875:

We have no godkitten roll

Did someone steal it?

Landaren.9875:

Im done, ban me if you must for this post. I don’t really care, and from my point of view neither do you.

I mean…
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I I.7359:

Guards are broke

I have plenty of money, thank you

I I.7359:

Every other class is so far better and yet again more nerfs to guard.
eles and engies are anet favs, its obvious
thief got a little love, which is needed

We received 1 nerf (which isn’t really that drastic), so your statement about nerfs is wrong. We got 3 important changes to Shield and Save Yourselves. Don’t forget, it was a skill preview. Not all the changes were listed.

Eles got hit hard in 2 important areas. Ice Bow, and Burning application. They got improvements to their lesser used mechanics.

Similar with engi. Improvement to lesser used mechanics, not much in ways of nerfs, because they aren’t running rampant.

Ultimately I think you’re both just trying to compete with the Dead Sea for salt content. I would discontinue that endeavor, it’s unhealthy to have that high of sodium intake.

According to Dulfy they misspoke when they said the channel on shield 5 would be 1.5 seconds.
That is what it currently is, they will be changing it to 4 seconds.

All that being said these changes are nerfs & the “positive” changes don’t really fix anything.

If they would just change the shield trait to do a taunt on #4 and AEGIS on #5 then shield would be great.

No one who watches the ebb and flow of professions could possibly have thought Feel My Wrath wasn’t gonna get a longer cooldown on the next balancing pass. Which has now arrived. Maybe we can get 40 seconds instead of 45, but yeah. No surprises there.

Shield got two really good buffs. Now it’s at least plausible to use it.

All and all a pretty good day and a couple of our regular foils got kicked in the junk as a bonus. Plus the possibility of more on Tuesday.

Unless they do some drastic changes to signets/spirit weapons & consecrations and their corresponding traits I foresee using my guardian less and less as everything the guardian can do is done just as well by others if not better.

Dat party aegis tho
Aegis builds are a viable concept to build around, especially something like Zeal/Valor/Honor. I don’t think Hunters Fortification will cleanse allies, otherwise DH and 2x Fragments of Faith would be useful. Perhaps you could get away with dropping Communal Defenses and AH anyway.

This is gonna be insane for fractals and dungeons.

Feel my wrath is OP in pvp like spirit weapons…..LOL.

Save yourselves is already meta! why do they up the boon durations by 100%? dont forget it also draws all condis from allies….

Arken.3725:

Not sure about the shield change, as others have stated, i’m not going to stand there for 4 seconds after the initial kb when I have more important stuff to do. Unless this constantly kb’s people, it’s a weird change.

You should still be able to cancel it for the heal, I think. At least, they haven’t said otherwise.

Ghotistyx

stop trolling and go back to ele forums

Arnath.2319:

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

These are all very reasonable changes. We got shield buffs that’s we have been asking for forever and anyone with their head in the right place can see why FMW is getting increased CD. How anyone can see fit to QQ about this … must be wanting to sabotage any attempt Anet has to changing the class.

Granted … if they didn’t tell us ALL the changes that will happen, we might see some things that aren’t as reasonable but we can only wait until that happens to complain.

Obtena.7952:

Arnath.2319:

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

These are all very reasonable changes. We got shield buffs that’s we have been asking for forever and anyone with their head in the right place can see why FMW is getting increased CD. How anyone can see fit to QQ about this … must be wanting to sabotage any attempt Anet has to changing the class.

Granted … if they didn’t tell us ALL the changes that will happen, we might see some things that aren’t as reasonable but we can only wait until that happens to complain.

Because it was an unjustified nerf for pvp. Same goes for the virtue range reduction. Glacial heart nerf. The things that make us truly unique and have something going for us which make us strong they nerf. Dodge roll heals were nerfed and reverted. Now save yourself. Purity was nerfed rofl…..unwarranted nerfs 24/7 to guardian is tiresome. Then people like you think that laughable change to shield is a buff? Pls stop trolling

Obtena.7952:

Arnath.2319:

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

These are all very reasonable changes. We got shield buffs that’s we have been asking for forever and anyone with their head in the right place can see why FMW is getting increased CD. How anyone can see fit to QQ about this … must be wanting to sabotage any attempt Anet has to changing the class.

Granted … if they didn’t tell us ALL the changes that will happen, we might see some things that aren’t as reasonable but we can only wait until that happens to complain.

i agree, i can see the fmw increase and always wondered why the cooldown was so low…id probably uped it to 40 instead of 45 tough…but thats iteration…you could also add something to the skill like a stun break which i think would be fitting

I am still not happy with smite from scepter tough which i absolutly think should be a symbol more than anything

I am also not 100% sure about the reduced protection duration on shield 4 as other classes and elites have a very easy time to apply long term protection…

Can’t say I’m happy with FMW nerf, cause I main a (completely non-meta in any way) Shout Guard… but I’ll be totally fine with it if they make this skill instant-cast and castable during other actions already.

Pretty please?

lilz shorty.1879:

Obtena.7952:

Arnath.2319:

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

These are all very reasonable changes. We got shield buffs that’s we have been asking for forever and anyone with their head in the right place can see why FMW is getting increased CD. How anyone can see fit to QQ about this … must be wanting to sabotage any attempt Anet has to changing the class.

Granted … if they didn’t tell us ALL the changes that will happen, we might see some things that aren’t as reasonable but we can only wait until that happens to complain.

Because it was an unjustified nerf for pvp. Same goes for the virtue range reduction. Glacial heart nerf. The things that make us truly unique and have something going for us which make us strong they nerf. Dodge roll heals were nerfed and reverted. Now save yourself. Purity was nerfed rofl…..unwarranted nerfs 24/7 to guardian is tiresome. Then people like you think that laughable change to shield is a buff? Pls stop trolling

None of those things are part of THIS balance patch. I get you want to deflect the conversation from the good changes that are happening in this patch to the things you think that are bad that aren’t in this balance patch. When your axe is THAT big, everything looks like a grindstone I guess.

Yet, that doesn’t diminish the fact that these changes we are getting in this patch are not unjustified and even GOOD changes.

I think the best part of your post is when you accuse me of trolling, even though you don’t have anything to say related to the specific changes of this patch; the topic of the thread. You just want to rehash past changes you don’t like because angry … so on topic. GG.

Awesome change for Shield :| sacrifice that 2 seconds prot for a aegis that will block a heavy hit and reduce 33% the next hits, they are very good changes.
Shield bubble no longer roots, can be maintained for 4 seconds, excellent!

so good Ç_Ç

So, we finally get an option that can compete with RF and rather than fix the one bug with FMW, it interrupts your skills unlike any other shout, they up the CD.

At least shield is being changed.

As someone who is guilty of a few toxic posts made in frustration, I’ve gotta finally give credit where credit is due.

Good f***ing job, guys. I can’t wait to play these changes.

I I.7359:

Ghotistyx

stop trolling and go back to ele forums

I don’t remember the last time I had a post in that forum. You can check my post history to confirm.

When will we see any useful changes about spirit weapons? It is so sad that this part of skills are almost useless… I hope they will find time to change them after HoT….

This was a preview wasn’kitten Meaning there could be more to the balance pass that just our shield right? Maybe there’s some hope in there for reworkong the spirit trait.

casius van.5186:

This was a preview wasn’kitten Meaning there could be more to the balance pass that just our shield right? Maybe there’s some hope in there for reworkong the spirit trait.

They can do it, the same goes for DH traits as kitten and come up with other stuff than traps.

Obtena.7952:

lilz shorty.1879:

Obtena.7952:

Arnath.2319:

This profession is officially dead, this is no exaggeration, with the upcoming elite specs Guardians are now 100% worthless.

These are all very reasonable changes. We got shield buffs that’s we have been asking for forever and anyone with their head in the right place can see why FMW is getting increased CD. How anyone can see fit to QQ about this … must be wanting to sabotage any attempt Anet has to changing the class.

Granted … if they didn’t tell us ALL the changes that will happen, we might see some things that aren’t as reasonable but we can only wait until that happens to complain.

Because it was an unjustified nerf for pvp. Same goes for the virtue range reduction. Glacial heart nerf. The things that make us truly unique and have something going for us which make us strong they nerf. Dodge roll heals were nerfed and reverted. Now save yourself. Purity was nerfed rofl…..unwarranted nerfs 24/7 to guardian is tiresome. Then people like you think that laughable change to shield is a buff? Pls stop trolling

None of those things are part of THIS balance patch. I get you want to deflect the conversation from the good changes that are happening in this patch to the things you think that are bad that aren’t in this balance patch. When your axe is THAT big, everything looks like a grindstone I guess.

Yet, that doesn’t diminish the fact that these changes we are getting in this patch are not unjustified and even GOOD changes.

I think the best part of your post is when you accuse me of trolling, even though you don’t have anything to say related to the specific changes of this patch; the topic of the thread. You just want to rehash past changes you don’t like because angry … so on topic. GG.

You have problems and that is all I need to say. Apparently you cannot read within the lines and understand what I am getting at.

First I said the nerf was unjustified for pvp like every other nerf they’ve done to guardian, yet you are trying to defend it for some reason.

Care to explain the virtue range nerf?
Glacial heart nerf?
Purity nerf?

You seem to say all these great changes. Please enlighten me.

You think shield change is a buff? Lol you must play guardian as a pve noob or low tier level pvp.

My point is this is a continuing trend with them giving is unwarranted nerfs, with laughable compensation such as a terrible shield buff, etc…..

Honestly I’m just waiting for Tuesday when it all comes out in text form, complete and without them tripping over their own tongues.