Guild Wars 2

K, so no hate, no suffering and no crying.

Maybe it is just me, but isn’t guardian kinda OP?
My fights don’t take hours, even while I got a defensive build (soldiers set and shout build) and thiefs are a laughter (GS skill 4 and they are down within 6 seconds) and PvE is just a laughter.

In WvW I barely (no ego, but it is the truth) BARELY lose, and almost never against a 1 vs 1. yesterday I even won 3 vs 1, and I am sure those ‘non guardians’ were all 80.

I capture camps and even towers alone..

So, maybe the people I encounter are missing the needed skills to kill me
Maybe I am just an asura that has no need of magic but uses ‘pure awesomness’
Maybe guardian can be kinda OP (Running soldier set with shout build =3)

(Sorry if there was already a thread about this, must have missed it then. and no kitten plox)

Bring meh your opinions and experience!

LMAO!

This is a joke, right?

Against bad players, we can take on 3v1s and are op. Against good players, not in the slightest.

trolls are gonna troll.

Don’t hate.

Araris.7839:

trolls are gonna troll.

Don’t hate.

Hate the game, not the troll’er?

While guardians are, objectively speaking, the best class in the game, the game is still good at promoting build diversity since most buffs don’t stack beyond a certain point. As such, you are better off taking “weaker” classes like the warrior or ranger simply for the team buffs they provide, rather than just stacking up on guardians and engineers.

This is exactly why the so-called “speed farm” all-warrior COF runs tend to be the slowest comps.

Guardians are not OP, they are a balanced well design class. Their skill trees are arranged correctly thus giving you the right secondary buff to match the primary one. Also you can property build defensively or offensively and success while bringing good support and damage to the table.

A good thief can fight in even ground with a guardian and win. But you rarely see good thiefs in the hot join spvp. In fact the thiefs I seen as off late still believe spamming heart seeker works.

In WvW I done 1 v 7 with a WARRIOR which teaches you how bad people can be. Yet I seen people who can easily take me down 1 v 1 cause they outplay me regardless of the class I’m playing at the time.

In the hot join a proper build/play guardian is a serious joke and face roll over anything. Now in a serious TPvp scenario you are in equal grounds with any none warrior player. So technically even if this might be your actual opinion and not some troll thread, no guardians aren’t OP.

Allied Shade.8409:

K, so no hate, no suffering and no crying.

Maybe it is just me, but isn’t guardian kinda OP?
My fights don’t take hours, even while I got a defensive build (soldiers set and shout build) and thiefs are a laughter (GS skill 4 and they are down within 6 seconds) and PvE is just a laughter.

In WvW I barely (no ego, but it is the truth) BARELY lose, and almost never against a 1 vs 1. yesterday I even won 3 vs 1, and I am sure those ‘non guardians’ were all 80.

I capture camps and even towers alone..

So, maybe the people I encounter are missing the needed skills to kill me
Maybe I am just an asura that has no need of magic but uses ‘pure awesomness’
Maybe guardian can be kinda OP (Running soldier set with shout build =3)

(Sorry if there was already a thread about this, must have missed it then. and no kitten plox)

Bring meh your opinions and experience!

My opinion is you’re exceptionally skilled , i think you’re probably one of if not the best guardian in this game …i highly doubt its the class.

Try to fight any decent ranger, necromancer, mesmer or engineer. See how they laugh at you and demolish you as soon as your retaliation ends. Guardians are one of the best classes overall (SPvP, WvW and PvE) but our significant weaknesses (low HP, low mobility, lack of range) makes us easy preys for any skilled player.

And FYI, most people in WvW are utter garbage. Once I was ganked by two thieves, and it took me symbol of wrath + whirling wrath to down both of them. Good job stealing when I had Aegis, thieves. I bet anyone that can play his class right and has a proper small-scale PvP build could handle such players.

P.s. I’ll get stoned for this, but I’ll give you that Stand Your Grand deserves some nerfing :P

Oh shut the hell up, @op – obvious trolling is obvious

Guardians are probably the most balanced classed around give a take a few kittenty kitten traits..that need changing.

Infact imo Guardians are very deceptive in the fact tha people automatically believe they’re easy to play against other classes.

Go up against a Good S/D thief
Go up against a good Zerk warrior with gs/shield
Go up against a power healing necro
Go up against a tanky kitten regen ranger

yeah..not easy

I play a guardian, I think i play it well.. but it’s not easy to play against competent players.
those 3 v 1 videos where guardians win…lmao kittene kitten players they must be.

Imo I reckon you’re talking kitten you must be playing kittenty players i guarantee if you were up against decent players your guardian would die.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

While guardians are, objectively speaking, the best class in the game, the game is still good at promoting build diversity since most buffs don’t stack beyond a certain point. As such, you are better off taking “weaker” classes like the warrior or ranger simply for the team buffs they provide, rather than just stacking up on guardians and engineers.

This is exactly why the so-called “speed farm” all-warrior COF runs tend to be the slowest comps.

This post liquefied my brain.

Excuse me while I go get a mop.

HI OP, you must be so lucky to be stumbled upon hordes of noobs army !

Well done !

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

Allied Shade.8409:

K, so no hate, no suffering and no crying.

Maybe it is just me, but isn’t guardian kinda OP?
My fights don’t take hours, even while I got a defensive build (soldiers set and shout build) and thiefs are a laughter (GS skill 4 and they are down within 6 seconds) and PvE is just a laughter.

In WvW I barely (no ego, but it is the truth) BARELY lose, and almost never against a 1 vs 1. yesterday I even won 3 vs 1, and I am sure those ‘non guardians’ were all 80.

I capture camps and even towers alone..

So, maybe the people I encounter are missing the needed skills to kill me
Maybe I am just an asura that has no need of magic but uses ‘pure awesomness’
Maybe guardian can be kinda OP (Running soldier set with shout build =3)

(Sorry if there was already a thread about this, must have missed it then. and no kitten plox)

Bring meh your opinions and experience!

My opinion is you’re exceptionally skilled , i think you’re probably one of if not the best guardian in this game …i highly doubt its the class.

I can confirm what you said , Shade is the best player in the game ! Not the class !

Cleverly disguised sarcasm, I must give you that one.

yes guardian is most OP

So I was just browsing the forums, and here is what I discovered.

Guards are OP
Necros are OP
Thieves are OP
Mesmers are OP
Rangers are OP
Warriors are OP
Engis are OP
Eles are OP

“Rangers are OP”???

Drugs are bad, m’kay….

But the rest is correct….

You are facing bad players if you can kill more then 1 player at a time or last indefinitely against multiple people with a guardian. Guardian is a good class but imo except as a bunker in spvp there is nothing a guardian does that another class can’t do at least as good or better.

Everything in this game is broken , all classes are OP and need nerfing (makes sense huh) and Anet isnt pumping out any content / listening to the playerbase. Also the game is dead beyond belief and its only dieing more . I heard all of this on the forum , you can’t lie on the forums .

guardians possess the power of the devil

Every class forum is getting trolled with an OP post. It’s kind of annoying.

Of course guardians are not OP and the form of the OP is that of a troll. I will say the the guardian has fared favorably in the balancing and that’s not a problem simply movement in the right direction.

I wouldn’t say they’re OP. They can be a tough fight for pretty much every class out there, but they also have an issue with finding roles to fulfill in teams now.

Take bunkering, for instance. Guardians are decent bunkers, but Ele’s and Engi’s are arguably better than that. Guardians can try speccing for damage, but thieves and necromancers do that better. Guardians can spec for support, but Mesmers can fulfill most of the roles that the Guardian would have for support.

So Guardians ATM are a “jack of all trades, master of none” kind of deal right now. They’re pretty good at what thy can do, though.

So all the classes are “jack of all trades , master of none” cause it gets thrown about quite a bit , and Guardians are definitely not a challenge for ALL classes ..

Go up against a Good S/D thief
Larcenous strike

Get 3+ Guardians together tho and it starts to become a little crazy with retal, prot, at 90% uptime between all of them cycling SY, SYG, HTL + boon duration and traitline specs and the healing they can put out for the group and for themselves.

Throw 2 Hammer warriors on that melee pain train the whole group are tough to bring down, have stability for stomps, a lot of group healing, mass CC with Hammers stacked retaliation and prot and most other boons accessible for a decent period of time.

I don’t think they’re OP, per se – but I do think they’re in a really good place. They shine even harder as the current wvw/spvp meta is settling from the recent balance patch, where condi pressure is incredibly popular. We have the tools to deal with thieves/warriors that try to burst us down, necros/engis that try to “attrition” us to death, and excellent teamfight control of stomps and revives via all the Stability, Aegis, and Blind buffs we have.

Such a fun class!

For reference, this is the build I typically run post-patch (I believe it’s pretty in line with the “meta” builds pre-patch too):

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-7s-Fw;0NFk40J3wF-90;9;549TO;41;014A38-U-F7U;1ZF18ZF186gt

Wolfheart.1938:

Try to fight any decent ranger, necromancer, mesmer or engineer. See how they laugh at you and demolish you as soon as your retaliation ends. Guardians are one of the best classes overall (SPvP, WvW and PvE) but our significant weaknesses (low HP, low mobility, lack of range) makes us easy preys for any skilled player.

And FYI, most people in WvW are utter garbage. Once I was ganked by two thieves, and it took me symbol of wrath + whirling wrath to down both of them. Good job stealing when I had Aegis, thieves. I bet anyone that can play his class right and has a proper small-scale PvP build could handle such players.

P.s. I’ll get stoned for this, but I’ll give you that Stand Your Grand deserves some nerfing :P

It’s not SYG that’s broken. It’s the way other classes are lacking in certain areas. Right now there are a select few classes that bring “essential” buffs to a group. I would much rather see Anet add ways for other classes to obtain similar buffs, even if they had to make a sacrifice to do it.

To the OP I think you might be trolling, but just in case you aren’t WvW is not an accurate representation of skilled pvp play. It is a good representation of which server has better macro play though. It is possible to win wvw and never even engage in pvp. It has it’s own set of skills. That isn’t to say someone can’t be good at both, or because they are good at one they are good at the other.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Wolfheart.1938:

Try to fight any decent ranger, necromancer, mesmer or engineer. See how they laugh at you and demolish you as soon as your retaliation ends. Guardians are one of the best classes overall (SPvP, WvW and PvE) but our significant weaknesses (low HP, low mobility, lack of range) makes us easy preys for any skilled player.

And FYI, most people in WvW are utter garbage. Once I was ganked by two thieves, and it took me symbol of wrath + whirling wrath to down both of them. Good job stealing when I had Aegis, thieves. I bet anyone that can play his class right and has a proper small-scale PvP build could handle such players.

P.s. I’ll get stoned for this, but I’ll give you that Stand Your Grand deserves some nerfing :P

It’s not SYG that’s broken. It’s the way other classes are lacking in certain areas. Right now there are a select few classes that bring “essential” buffs to a group. I would much rather see Anet add ways for other classes to obtain similar buffs, even if they had to make a sacrifice to do it.

To the OP I think you might be trolling, but just in case you aren’t WvW is not an accurate representation of skilled pvp play. It is a good representation of which server has better macro play though. It is possible to win wvw and never even engage in pvp. It has it’s own set of skills. That isn’t to say someone can’t be good at both, or because they are good at one they are good at the other.

he specifically said he won 1v3’s and 1v1’s in wvw, which means he’s participating in pvp.

Darek.1836:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Wolfheart.1938:

Try to fight any decent ranger, necromancer, mesmer or engineer. See how they laugh at you and demolish you as soon as your retaliation ends. Guardians are one of the best classes overall (SPvP, WvW and PvE) but our significant weaknesses (low HP, low mobility, lack of range) makes us easy preys for any skilled player.

And FYI, most people in WvW are utter garbage. Once I was ganked by two thieves, and it took me symbol of wrath + whirling wrath to down both of them. Good job stealing when I had Aegis, thieves. I bet anyone that can play his class right and has a proper small-scale PvP build could handle such players.

P.s. I’ll get stoned for this, but I’ll give you that Stand Your Grand deserves some nerfing :P

It’s not SYG that’s broken. It’s the way other classes are lacking in certain areas. Right now there are a select few classes that bring “essential” buffs to a group. I would much rather see Anet add ways for other classes to obtain similar buffs, even if they had to make a sacrifice to do it.

To the OP I think you might be trolling, but just in case you aren’t WvW is not an accurate representation of skilled pvp play. It is a good representation of which server has better macro play though. It is possible to win wvw and never even engage in pvp. It has it’s own set of skills. That isn’t to say someone can’t be good at both, or because they are good at one they are good at the other.

he specifically said he won 1v3’s and 1v1’s in wvw, which means he’s participating in pvp.

No it is not the same as spvp/tpvp. I’m not in the mood to explain the many differences.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Player_versus_Player

Just read that

edit
My comment sounded rude, so I will just start with the basics.
1. In WvW there is no guarantee that your enemy has the same level of gear.
2. In WvW you might be facing people that are much lower level
3. Certain buffs in WvW that are not in PvP
4. Certain skills in WvW have different durations, or just work differently in PvP
5. Certain items can be used in WvW that can’t be used in PvP
6. Buffs from keeps, or just WvW in general apply to one side or another. They do not in PvP

I will stop there, I hope that I have explained a few differences though in a way to doesn’t come off as me being an kitten .

Guardians are actually quite balanced. Imo they are the most balanced profession in the game right now. They do well in every part of the game without being OP.

Anet thinks so as well (that’s at least what they said in the last SotG) and that’s why you don’t see any huge changes for them. They’re in a really good spot right now without being too strong.

yeah not even in the slightest no one runs up to a guardian and says meh better not XD. the reason we are not complained about is the fact that if u choose to run the bunker shout build which is what i consider imo our meta build. If you choose to run that build you have like 0 dmg output to kill ur enemies its a pure distraction build. no one looks at a guardian and considers him a “threat to the health” they just really annoy you with cc and decent healing/tankiness so we are not op as it is balanced enough if we choose to go bunker we have to sacrfice like 100% of our dmg output to do so. i mean obviously over a long enough period hitting for small amounts will wear down a opponent and there has been sooo much added boon hate lately that were slowly losing our standing if anything lol

Abraxius.6429:

yeah not even in the slightest no one runs up to a guardian and says meh better not XD. the reason we are not complained about is the fact that if u choose to run the bunker shout build which is what i consider imo our meta build. If you choose to run that build you have like 0 dmg output to kill ur enemies its a pure distraction build. no one looks at a guardian and considers him a “threat to the health” they just really annoy you with cc and decent healing/tankiness so we are not op as it is balanced enough if we choose to go bunker we have to sacrfice like 100% of our dmg output to do so. i mean obviously over a long enough period hitting for small amounts will wear down a opponent and there has been sooo much added boon hate lately that were slowly losing our standing if anything lol

I think certain other professions are kind of OP in this aspect. They can go full bunker, and still have really nice damage.

The Guardian’s sustain (the reason we are tied for lowest health, n o innate movement speed increase) is tied to boons. Boons are becoming somewhat of a problem because I’m seeing near constant boon removal/stealing now.

If things continue like this people will just start switching out guardian bunkers for any number of other professions that can do it and also bring kill potential.

I once solo-capped SM.

True story.

that’s it, Chris, you’ve done it. it’s official: Guardians are OP.

I once dodge rolled in the middle of a zerg and killed them with over healing.

True story.

Valin.4527:

style.6173:

So I was just browsing the forums, and here is what I discovered.

Guards are OP
Necros are OP
Thieves are OP
Mesmers are OP
Rangers are OP
Warriors are OP
Engis are OP
Eles are OP

“Rangers are OP”???

Drugs are bad, m’kay….

But the rest is correct….

I’ve also discovered by browsing the forums that people tend to QQ about rangers in every class sub-forum in an off-topic fashion. I guess they don’t feel one sub-forum is enough.

Redscope.6215:

Valin.4527:

style.6173:

So I was just browsing the forums, and here is what I discovered.

Guards are OP
Necros are OP
Thieves are OP
Mesmers are OP
Rangers are OP
Warriors are OP
Engis are OP
Eles are OP

“Rangers are OP”???

Drugs are bad, m’kay….

But the rest is correct….

I’ve also discovered by browsing the forums that people tend to QQ about rangers in every class sub-forum in an off-topic fashion. I guess they don’t feel one sub-forum is enough.

That’s because there are more rangers than people. And we’re mad about getting egged in the face every time patch day rolls around.

This one time, at band camp, I JI’d into a zerg and they died.

I believe guardians are OP-with this 40/30/30/30/30 build I have this trait that causes aegis to explode and deal 9999999999 unblockable damage in a 100 000 yard radius that travels through walls when removed and virtue of courage is instantly recharged once aegis is removed…it’s some bs. All I do is knock at the front door in wvw and when someone opens to say ‘hi’ everything and everyone on or inside the keep is destroyed. You people were complaining about mesmer’s into the void? Pffft

A guardian can kill 2 stones with 1 bird

I heard a-net was giving us invurn to dmg when fighting other classes as GM trait next patch, can anyone confirm??

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Darek.1836:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Wolfheart.1938:

Try to fight any decent ranger, necromancer, mesmer or engineer. See how they laugh at you and demolish you as soon as your retaliation ends. Guardians are one of the best classes overall (SPvP, WvW and PvE) but our significant weaknesses (low HP, low mobility, lack of range) makes us easy preys for any skilled player.

And FYI, most people in WvW are utter garbage. Once I was ganked by two thieves, and it took me symbol of wrath + whirling wrath to down both of them. Good job stealing when I had Aegis, thieves. I bet anyone that can play his class right and has a proper small-scale PvP build could handle such players.

P.s. I’ll get stoned for this, but I’ll give you that Stand Your Grand deserves some nerfing :P

It’s not SYG that’s broken. It’s the way other classes are lacking in certain areas. Right now there are a select few classes that bring “essential” buffs to a group. I would much rather see Anet add ways for other classes to obtain similar buffs, even if they had to make a sacrifice to do it.

To the OP I think you might be trolling, but just in case you aren’t WvW is not an accurate representation of skilled pvp play. It is a good representation of which server has better macro play though. It is possible to win wvw and never even engage in pvp. It has it’s own set of skills. That isn’t to say someone can’t be good at both, or because they are good at one they are good at the other.

he specifically said he won 1v3’s and 1v1’s in wvw, which means he’s participating in pvp.

No it is not the same as spvp/tpvp. I’m not in the mood to explain the many differences.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Player_versus_Player

Just read that

edit
My comment sounded rude, so I will just start with the basics.
1. In WvW there is no guarantee that your enemy has the same level of gear.
2. In WvW you might be facing people that are much lower level
3. Certain buffs in WvW that are not in PvP
4. Certain skills in WvW have different durations, or just work differently in PvP
5. Certain items can be used in WvW that can’t be used in PvP
6. Buffs from keeps, or just WvW in general apply to one side or another. They do not in PvP

I will stop there, I hope that I have explained a few differences though in a way to doesn’t come off as me being an kitten .

There are differences between sPvP and WvW for sure, but WvW is still player versus player so by that definition alone it is still considered “PvP”