i just wanted to point out that the remove of stats in the traitlines could bring some serious issues to some guard builds (bunker/support builds mainly).
Guardian always had a insanely low base hp. Thats the main reason most builds didnt work and why we were forced to eigther take amulets with vitality(zerker) or go into honor line(bunker/support) while we still only had about 13.9k to 15k hp.
With the patch the stats of the honor line will be removed which could lead to bunker guardians not being viable just because they dont have enough hp. This is even more an issue with the power creep the patch brings for most classes (mes, thief …)
So pls Anet devs consider the health pool of guardians. bring it up to 15k or give us better support amuletts
This is a concern of mine aswell, since i have already geared my guardian with ascended with this gear change i may have to go through and recreate my armor as most my vit comes from the trait lines.
This is a concern of mine aswell, since i have already geared my guardian with ascended with this gear change i may have to go through and recreate my armor as most my vit comes from the trait lines.
Considering the trait reallocations in every tree, I imagine everyone is going to reevaluate their gear regardless.
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i know that. i just want to point out that Vitality is a crucial part (in pvp builds) and make sure they give enough to make bunker/support builds a thing
There actually may be another issue although I’d have to check the patch notes to see if it is in. The WvW rank that offers vitality. I don’t know about others but I’d use this to buff up vitality in my dps/zerk set.
I thought I heard that those are going away. If so this may hurt or bother some players.
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i know that regardless of how we setup our gear we may have some decisions to make, i think each gear set should have a single select-able stat as that would fix this issue perfectly
Example, current soldiers sets would give [power] [toughness][vitality][Selectable stat]
This is a concern of mine aswell, since i have already geared my guardian with ascended with this gear change i may have to go through and recreate my armor as most my vit comes from the trait lines.
Trinkets/accessories are easier to replace than ascended armor.
That’s actually awful, I doubt the pvp meta Medi Guardian build will be viable anymore.
Also pretty much any build on any game mode that doesn’t use vit gear would be worthless. Except maybe pve zerker meta
They need to fix the Honor line. It was, and still is, our only option if your interested in a middle ground between a glass cannon build and a hardcore bunker/support.
The gear boost doesn’t offset the change because vit from gear is not an option for many builds. The stat combo’s with vit are bad for anything but a bunker.
A base line health boost would overpower all the builds that didn’t dip into honor.
They need move the 300 vit on the Honor grand master traits to one of the minors (or distribute it among them). Putting all the shout, writ, and vit traits in one tier makes the rest of the tree too weak.
That’s actually awful, I doubt the pvp meta Medi Guardian build will be viable anymore.
Also pretty much any build on any game mode that doesn’t use vit gear would be worthless. Except maybe pve zerker meta
I don’t think that’s true. The berserker’s amulet gave vitality, so we’re really only trading a bit of toughness for some more hp.
Outside of PvP it shouldn’t be too hard to exchange a few accessories to get the stat combination you want.
That’s actually awful, I doubt the pvp meta Medi Guardian build will be viable anymore.
Also pretty much any build on any game mode that doesn’t use vit gear would be worthless. Except maybe pve zerker meta
What is discussed here has nothing to do with the medi Meta build.
to make it clear:
I’m talking about PvP. in pve you can get your vit by mixing different stats (rings, amulett …)
The problem with vitality is also only regarding bunker builds, or builds with the honor line pre-patch.
its kinda hard to fix tho.There are 3 differnt options in my opinion:
1. give guard more base HP (which on the other hand would result in a buff for medi guards)
2. give us a new amulett or vit on clerics amulett, which could result in other classes getting more use out of that for cheesy builds (decap engi?).
3. giving us a trait. actually we got a trait (honor GM). problem with it is, you cant take the trait + shout GM (which is kinda the must have for a support guard)
As an alternative to 3: they could add 300 vit to a minor trait in honor
Anyway. we have to wait for the patch and see what base HP we get. I hope Anet thinks of this problem and solves it so bunker guard can be played post-patch.
For PvP however it likely will be since they are just increasing amulet stats instead of adding rings/jewels.
That means a good 7-8 of the amulets will be a no go for guardians, thieves & elementalists because they will give no vitality or so little as to not matter & without that vitality you will be easily nuked/plagued to death by conditions.
really instead of flat out buffing the amulets they should have rings/jewels with the lost stat amount on them in various combinations.
This is actually one of my biggest concerns when it comes to support guard viability in PvP post-patch. If HP pools stay as currently announced, a cleric amulet guardian with Soldier runes will have an HP pool of about 12.5k, which is pretty low and susceptible to being bursted down even with good toughness. Two main solutions that I see would be to distribute the loss in trait line stats to base stats in PvP, giving everyone about 150 more of each Stat or something. That would bring support guard HP up to 14k with Soldier runes, which is still on the low side but bearable. Another option would be to bring back jewels, like someone else had mentioned earlier, and put the lost stats into it. I think this solution would be best since it would give everyone a small amount of additional build customization.
There actually may be another issue although I’d have to check the patch notes to see if it is in. The WvW rank that offers vitality. I don’t know about others but I’d use this to buff up vitality in my dps/zerk set.
I thought I heard that those are going away. If so this may hurt or bother some players.
They are indeed going away.
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That means a good 7-8 of the amulets will be a no go for guardians, thieves & elementalists because they will give no vitality or so little as to not matter & without that vitality you will be easily nuked/plagued to death by conditions.
Last I checked thieves didn’t put many points in a vitality line for health, it was for the actual traits. Just as elementalist puts points into water for the regen, healing and support.
Everyone seems to also forget that all builds will now be able to pick 9 major traits instead of just 7 so there’s now room for that added defence. Sure there is a loss of those special 1 point minors like the classic medi guard but on the whole you should be able to take the defence you need to compensate.
Play the patch first before whining for more health, it’s what I plan to do with my zerk WvW ele before adding vitality or complaining.
This is a concern of mine aswell, since i have already geared my guardian with ascended with this gear change i may have to go through and recreate my armor as most my vit comes from the trait lines.
Considering the trait reallocations in every tree, I imagine everyone is going to reevaluate their gear regardless.
