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Posted by: Carpboy.7145

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Basically, the title. I cant get the build sites to paste for me, so here it is. 0 10 30 25 5. In radiance, i use gain fury when burning. Since 7/8 classes can burn and the meta is MOAR conditions,, we might as well be getting a boon (heals from AH) and fury, which we have almost no access to. Ill go into honor next. Perma vigor, reduced CD on shouts, dodges heal, and empowering might. Then 5 in virtues. More boons=more heals. Not to mention boons themselves are just useful. VoJ blinds, gives 3 stacks of might, along with what it normally does. And now the 30 in Valor. As you can probably guess, this is an AH build. Adept and master i take purity for some passive condition removal, and retributive armor. Since all our gear is soldiers, we might as well get some more crit from all our toughness, which also helps proc empowering might, and since might is a boon, also heals. Like i said all the gear is soldiers with runes of lyssa. Lyssa because of the extra precision, and when i activate my elite i get all boons for 5 sec almost like a second Save Yourselves. trinkets are soldiers with emerald (knights) gems. I use GS/hammer each with force, though you could put accuracy if you want that 5% crit. Food i use +100 precision +70 vital ( i dont remember whakittens called.) and master maintenance oil, tho the cheaper ones work too, as its only around a 2% crit difference. I have an extra GS to stack 25 stacks of perception. With that i can get easily 51%, and 41% without any perception stacks. For utilities i use JI, SY, and either HtL, retreat, and SyG, depending on the situation. If i happen to run across a necro or engi chances are they are condition specced, so i try to swap out my third shout for CoP, which also gives boons per condition removed, so more synergy with AH. My elite cleanses all conditions and gives all boons for 5 sec, which isnt a reliable source of cleansing, but definitely helps. Honestly with all the healing from AH and all the might and vigor procs you can easily counterheal them. I have yet to test it, but i should be able to next week. If you have any ideas to tweak and improve the build, please let me know!

Waiting through 5 sec of poison or 7 stacks of bleed isnt going to kill you. I shouldnt say waiting, as youll be jumping on their booties, triggering boons from symbols, virtues, and EM, making their conditions null and void, since you can heal ~the same they damage you (per tick) Since condition builds rely entirely on condition damage, what is the difference between a GS warr or a p/p engi hitting you? Your healing per boon you activate, and since condi builds do less overall damage then physical ones, Physical builds are harder to deal with tbh.

EDIT: if you really feel the condi cleanse isn’t good enough, (IMO its perfect for me) you can go 0 5 30 30 5 for pure of voice. Since its also bugged right now and removes 2 per shout, id run with triple shouts when going this route. (But your missing out on fury, which procs Empowering Might that much more to simply counter heal through conditions.) Yes the cookie cutter AH build

Any feedback and suggestions you have are welcome, as im always looking to improve!


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Posted by: Kcrook.3945

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Where is your condition removal? No pure of voice and you are using shouts. Also, you aren’t using condi duration reduction food. What do you do against a condition build?

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Posted by: Carpboy.7145

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Conditions are removed via purity and passive signet. Thats more than enough for people not running a heavy condition build. I have 20k health so many conditions can just be waited out. If i do see a necro or engi i will swap out my third shout for CoP, which gives boons per condition removal so also synergies with AH.

EDIT: I edited the above post with all the ways to remove conditions in this build. You also get VoR to help. Really, conditions arent a problem


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Posted by: Kcrook.3945

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VoR doesn’t remove unless traited, which you can’t be with 5 in virtues. That being said, this may have been the mentality 2 months ago, but now easily 40-50% of my fights are with condition heavy classes/specs. If all you have is CoP, then you can wipe the first stacks of conditions, but you have a 60s cool down in which you WILL take a ton more condition damage.

I’m not trying to shoot holes in your build or anything, I mean it all constructively. Conditions are just so heavily used now that I don’t think any passive/single cleanse can take care of them.

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Sorry i wasnt very clear on the VoR thing. It regens, which makes some conditions mean nothing. You cure 2 every 10 seconds. Thats pretty solid, especially just passive. AH heals ~67 per boon, which is also ~a tick of bleed. You get might every other hit with empowering might, and vigor every 5 sec. People full condi spec rely entirely for damage with conditions, which IMO is largely the same as healing through physical damage. All your shouts heal, your virtues give boons to heal, and with a health pool of 20k with the survivability of a guardian, it will take multiple condition heavy people spamming conditions on you, which most builds cant survive against anyway.

EDIT: before anyone brings up the new runes, these will likely be nerfed soon, and confusion ZERO damage unless you attack, which if your stupid enough to do with 25 stacks of confusion before cleansing them (either passively or the symbol/WW combo) you deserve to die


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I guess in essence, what im trying to say is you simply out heal the conditions on you, while also having some pretty solid ways to cleanse them. Most fights won’t last TOO long, since this build can also deal very respectable damage for how tanky it is.

EDIT: im going to take it a step further and break down how to survive against each class when condi specced.

Mesmer: they have very little duration, so these especially can simply be out healed. Stay out of the chaos field. No problem.

Engi: p/p could be tricky. Just fight as normal, activating boons to out heal, 2 passive cleansesa every 10 sec. Activate elite for quick cleanse of everything and small heal for all boons. Every class/build has a counter, and this could be it.

Necro: really same as engi. Light armor so tad but squishier, just try and kill as fast as possible.

Ranger: 3 (max) damaging conditions, really should be easy to out heal and cleanse the few that you need.

Warr: 2 damaging condis. Easy to cleanse, plus passive from purity and signet.

Guard: if they are a condi dmg guard, easy kill for you.

Thief: just use cleanses as possible, dont underestimate light field + WW combo.

Elementalist: burning and bleeds are all they can do, maybe poison(im not sure) easy to cleanse either way

In all fights, regardless of class/spec, keep offensive pressure. That requires THEM to be the ones playing defensively, not you.


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Posted by: Knox.8962

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As i said above, use symbols (combo field light) and WW on GS to cure ~3 condis.

This does not remove conditions from yourself. Only the people around you.

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Posted by: Khenzy.9348

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As i said above, use symbols (combo field light) and WW on GS to cure ~3 condis.

This does not remove conditions from yourself. Only the people around you.

^ If only…

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Posted by: Carpboy.7145

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As i said above, use symbols (combo field light) and WW on GS to cure ~3 condis.

This does not remove conditions from yourself. Only the people around you.

^ If only…

You guys can’t let me win can you? :P I updated the build in the OP for condition cleanse if you feel it doesn’t have enough. I had no idea about it only cleansing your allies, thats poop


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