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drop the carrion, its not good for a guard.
celestial is the key for any hybrid build. i burn for 670, much lower yes. but my crit dmg is 200% and 30% crit chance. also my armor is 2.8k so im super tanky.
you really dont need any more burn uptime then this. let me list ur burns:burn every 5th hit (virtue of justice)
virtue of justice active 2x
burn on block( 5x aegis, focus 5, shelter)
judge’s intervention
purging flames
shimmering defenseif you didnt kill ur enemy by now, its a bunker:D
i have 3200 tourneys on my guard and 80% of it is dps. most of the builds listed up here arent viable for tournaments, maby just for fun in hotjoins. sustain is key in winning with a (semi) burn build
If you’re going to make a burn power condi spec, you’re better off with Carrion than celestial. The vitality from Carrion will fill the void of not putting any points in honor, and by going 6 in valor you get sustain and toughness. Carrion based builds I can do about 800 ticks on burn while having over 2k power(I run Flame legion Runes). Not to mention my damage ramps up for every block with might of the defender, and stack burns easy with Defender’s flame. Very low crit but respectable damage amps from burning foes=17%(22% if you decide to take Zealous blade).
GS because GS 5 scales off Condi damage, and Symbol of Wrath has retal(scales on power). Celestial isn’t really good on guard tbh unless you have selfless daring, more conditions other than burning. Other professions like Ele, Engi, and Warrior can makes the best use of of it because there are some builds that use every stat effectively.
Bunkers die when you put doom sigil and geomancy(my preference) to work in tandem with your burning.
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drop the carrion, its not good for a guard.
celestial is the key for any hybrid build. i burn for 670, much lower yes. but my crit dmg is 200% and 30% crit chance. also my armor is 2.8k so im super tanky.
you really dont need any more burn uptime then this. let me list ur burns:burn every 5th hit (virtue of justice)
virtue of justice active 2x
burn on block( 5x aegis, focus 5, shelter)
judge’s intervention
purging flames
shimmering defenseif you didnt kill ur enemy by now, its a bunker:D
i have 3200 tourneys on my guard and 80% of it is dps. most of the builds listed up here arent viable for tournaments, maby just for fun in hotjoins. sustain is key in winning with a (semi) burn build
If you’re going to make a burn power condi spec, you’re better off with Carrion than celestial. The vitality from Carrion will fill the void of not putting any points in honor, and by going 6 in valor you get sustain and toughness. Carrion based builds I can do about 800 ticks on burn while having over 2k power(I run Flame legion Runes). Not to mention my damage ramps up for every block with might of the defender, and stack burns easy with Defender’s flame. Very low crit but respectable damage amps from burning foes=17%(22% if you decide to take Zealous blade).
GS because GS 5 scales off Condi damage, and Symbol of Wrath has retal(scales on power). Celestial isn’t really good on guard tbh unless you have selfless daring, more conditions other than burning. Other professions like Ele, Engi, and Warrior can makes the best use of of it because there are some builds that use every stat effectively.
Bunkers die when you put doom sigil and geomancy(my preference) to work in tandem with your burning.
Random tip, try using rune of the pirate, I have found that if you use torch offhand for one of your sets you can keep good burning up time without needing the extra duration on runes, and the bird hits like a freaking truck.
Merciful Intervention ? I’ve never used that, but wouldn’t there have to be party members near you to use that ? If you’re talking about group fights it’s all spam, I’m talking about 1v1 though, and Merciful Intervention would’t save you in that scenario. So no, you would go down 1v1.
Merciful Intervention Works in 1v1. It works even better in team fights (heals for every ally in the PBAoE). It won’t move me away from you but it’s like me having a second shelter when combined with Monk’s Focus.
I’ve been playing condi guard since before the April update mate. So I know what I’m talking about.
So you played a kitten condi guard before the major update? Prior to that update I played meditation PVT with fighter runes, I didn’t loose 1v1 with that one either. But for fun I wanted to try condi guard and made my own build which maximized burn and power with blocks galore to make them kill their self. Prior to the update burn guard was kind of taboo even to me, now It kills fast though no lie.
I’m not sure what kitten was supposed to be but if it roughly translates to ‘worse than the current condi guard in damage’? Then yes. I did play that build and was still wiping people on the floor with it.
In any case, this is what I’ve found to be the best spec for dealing with a variety of situations.
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Good uptime on poison, good uptime on burning and good amount of cover condis that could make or break your battle with a Necro. Either way, you have Contemplation of Purity and Purging Flames if you get condi bombed.
Since I haven’t saw a build that’s worth changing mine I’ll stick to the boon gaining one.
Valor seem to be they way to go since Amplified Wrath is not in Radiance.
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drop the carrion, its not good for a guard.
celestial is the key for any hybrid build. i burn for 670, much lower yes. but my crit dmg is 200% and 30% crit chance. also my armor is 2.8k so im super tanky.
you really dont need any more burn uptime then this. let me list ur burns:burn every 5th hit (virtue of justice)
virtue of justice active 2x
burn on block( 5x aegis, focus 5, shelter)
judge’s intervention
purging flames
shimmering defenseif you didnt kill ur enemy by now, its a bunker:D
i have 3200 tourneys on my guard and 80% of it is dps. most of the builds listed up here arent viable for tournaments, maby just for fun in hotjoins. sustain is key in winning with a (semi) burn build
/sigh… No GS, shimmering defense, low power, low condition damage… yeah…. gonna pass on that.
my build is based on high end solo/teamQ matches, not random hotjoin. its not all stats which matter.
no gs? personal choise. hammer is for me the best weapon in any ranked match.
shimmering defense, whats the problem with that? free 12 sec burn
low power, i bet i hit much more then all of ur carrion builds, you got no crits at all and if you crit, its low. my sigil of intell will make me always land my spike with hammer.
low condi dmg.. ur (only) condi is burn. 835 with 1200 condi dmg, 672 with 700 condi dmg. This might seem like a big difference? 1 tick 160, 10 ticks 1600, 20 ticks 3200. my crits will do much more dmg then the 160 extra per tick. amplified wrath is the main reason why we guards dont need a high condi dmg at all.
i have played every (yes every) posible dps build for guardians, in both soloQ and teamQ. the main thing you need to be viable is sustain. `
carrion amulet is made for necro’s which got like tripple our HP. or warriors with all their stances.
If you’re going to make a burn power condi spec, you’re better off with Carrion than celestial. The vitality from Carrion will fill the void of not putting any points in honor, and by going 6 in valor you get sustain and toughness. Carrion based builds I can do about 800 ticks on burn while having over 2k power(I run Flame legion Runes). Not to mention my damage ramps up for every block with might of the defender, and stack burns easy with Defender’s flame. Very low crit but respectable damage amps from burning foes=17%(22% if you decide to take Zealous blade).
GS because GS 5 scales off Condi damage, and Symbol of Wrath has retal(scales on power). Celestial isn’t really good on guard tbh unless you have selfless daring, more conditions other than burning. Other professions like Ele, Engi, and Warrior can makes the best use of of it because there are some builds that use every stat effectively.
Bunkers die when you put doom sigil and geomancy(my preference) to work in tandem with your burning.
with celestial i also dont need honor nor vitality.
ur 2000 power is useless whitout crits. a crit does 200% more dmg, ur raw dps isnt even close to double the celestial dps.
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drop the carrion, its not good for a guard.
celestial is the key for any hybrid build. i burn for 670, much lower yes. but my crit dmg is 200% and 30% crit chance. also my armor is 2.8k so im super tanky.
you really dont need any more burn uptime then this. let me list ur burns:burn every 5th hit (virtue of justice)
virtue of justice active 2x
burn on block( 5x aegis, focus 5, shelter)
judge’s intervention
purging flames
shimmering defenseif you didnt kill ur enemy by now, its a bunker:D
i have 3200 tourneys on my guard and 80% of it is dps. most of the builds listed up here arent viable for tournaments, maby just for fun in hotjoins. sustain is key in winning with a (semi) burn build
/sigh… No GS, shimmering defense, low power, low condition damage… yeah…. gonna pass on that.
my build is based on high end solo/teamQ matches, not random hotjoin. its not all stats which matter.
no gs? personal choise. hammer is for me the best weapon in any ranked match.
shimmering defense, whats the problem with that? free 12 sec burn
low power, i bet i hit much more then all of ur carrion builds, you got no crits at all and if you crit, its low. my sigil of intell will make me always land my spike with hammer.
low condi dmg.. ur (only) condi is burn. 835 with 1200 condi dmg, 672 with 700 condi dmg. This might seem like a big difference? 1 tick 160, 10 ticks 1600, 20 ticks 3200. my crits will do much more dmg then the 160 extra per tick. amplified wrath is the main reason why we guards dont need a high condi dmg at all.
i have played every (yes every) posible dps build for guardians, in both soloQ and teamQ. the main thing you need to be viable is sustain. `
carrion amulet is made for necro’s which got like tripple our HP. or warriors with all their stances.If you’re going to make a burn power condi spec, you’re better off with Carrion than celestial. The vitality from Carrion will fill the void of not putting any points in honor, and by going 6 in valor you get sustain and toughness. Carrion based builds I can do about 800 ticks on burn while having over 2k power(I run Flame legion Runes). Not to mention my damage ramps up for every block with might of the defender, and stack burns easy with Defender’s flame. Very low crit but respectable damage amps from burning foes=17%(22% if you decide to take Zealous blade).
GS because GS 5 scales off Condi damage, and Symbol of Wrath has retal(scales on power). Celestial isn’t really good on guard tbh unless you have selfless daring, more conditions other than burning. Other professions like Ele, Engi, and Warrior can makes the best use of of it because there are some builds that use every stat effectively.
Bunkers die when you put doom sigil and geomancy(my preference) to work in tandem with your burning.
with celestial i also dont need honor nor vitality.
ur 2000 power is useless whitout crits. a crit does 200% more dmg, ur raw dps isnt even close to double the celestial dps.
I’m not complaining about your build but you can keep denying the very point of this post it is not about finding a utility purpose for burning but to create the condition guardian.
I do admit that the builds above haven’t worked out better than my boon one other than yours wich I haven’t tried. I have no terrible issue with my current build I do survive,maitain burning and poison,some retaliation,cleansing and even the regen part. My issue is that all our advantages are not included in the build while others can.
my build is based on high end solo/teamQ matches, not random hotjoin. its not all stats which matter.
no gs? personal choise. hammer is for me the best weapon in any ranked match.
shimmering defense, whats the problem with that? free 12 sec burn
low power, i bet i hit much more then all of ur carrion builds, you got no crits at all and if you crit, its low. my sigil of intell will make me always land my spike with hammer.
low condi dmg.. ur (only) condi is burn. 835 with 1200 condi dmg, 672 with 700 condi dmg. This might seem like a big difference? 1 tick 160, 10 ticks 1600, 20 ticks 3200. my crits will do much more dmg then the 160 extra per tick. amplified wrath is the main reason why we guards dont need a high condi dmg at all.
i have played every (yes every) posible dps build for guardians, in both soloQ and teamQ. the main thing you need to be viable is sustain. `
carrion amulet is made for necro’s which got like tripple our HP. or warriors with all their stances.
so…
Yes, no GS, you lose out on non-cleansable condition, a gap closer, and a blind. You also lose out on the healing and damage boost you would get from zealous blade, since you need to go that far into the line for amp wrath anyways.
Shimmering defense: Because it only activates when you are almost dead, and a burn that long is a waste when a single condi cleanse can completely negate it. Our ability to constantly apply short duration burns is what gives us our decent condi damage at the moment, a trait like that which can be completely negated in a second just feels lacking. Also, the fact that your burn does less damage also makes it even less appealing, as people are not going to feel as required to use condi removal simply because your burns are not as much of a threat, and will be more likely to have some removal for when you do put that long duration burn on them.
low power: http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/ Go here, go to guardian and go to manual and put in the difference of our stats, ( you need to add them to the base) yours is 734 power, 25% crit chance, 50 crit damage, mine is 1118 power, 5% crit chance, and 20% crit damage. Scroll down to effective power.
Low condi damage. We actually have 2 conditions as a base, and can add 2 more through sigils. We start off with burn and binding blades, I use doom/geo sigils so that gives me poison and bleed too. (i also use blind exposure as a condi cover and to help boost my physical damage) at 1k condi damage, the condi’s listed add up to about 1800 per second of damage, plus whatever physical damage you are pumping out.
Meanwhile, you have… well i cant see your sigils, but you already said intel is one, but I will not make assumptions on the other. Either way, your condi damage is going to be much lower.
Grats on playing everything ever, and grats on your solo/team queue success, I fully admit you are most likely a better player than I am. but please don’t assume that just because you do have more experience means that the build is better. When you start off your statement with “my build is based on high end solo/teamQ matches, not random hotjoin.” it makes you come off as very elitist. My experience is mostly with hotjoin I do admit , however, I do have people in my guild that are pretty well ranked in solo and team queue (top 10 and top 20 respectively) that i have tried and tested my build against, and it works as well. So don’t just assume that every hotjoin hero like myself has no skill or no clue what they are talking about.
Amplified Wrath fits very well in Zeal, though "Kindled Zeal needs to be changed since it’s obsolete. Burn specs with carrion gear and meditations work very well with each other. Just playing the build I’ve been running in Spvp I’d say we don’t need autos with bleeding like warrior, we’d be OP if we did.
In short a breakdown of what should be done. Kindled Zeal should either be brought down to Master tier or changed entirely to a different sort of grandmaster worthy effect. Radiant Retaliation needs a buff so in Spvp and WvW it isn’t so weak, 300-400 damage range should do it some justice(Currently you’re just better with power scaling in any game mode)
Kindled Zeal definitely no longer fits. Technically it could if you consider how guardian can gain access to other conditions through sigils but…..its still not worth it compared to amplified wrath.
Maybe kindled zeal could increase condition durations or decrease incoming condition duration.
I got to agree that even with Sigils of Doom Kindled Zeal isn’t that interesting. However, Guardians already got enough ways to increase at least burning durations. Decreasing incomming conditions doesn’t fit themewise. But maybe some form of Quickness would fit?
If you are going to compare a power build to a condi build for this, you also need to include the amount of retaliation uptime, which power builds are going to have much more of due to being able to trait into virtues for the extra sources/duration.
I think this is a very important point. Shouts basically are the only way to go in such a build because the Retaliation time would be too low otherwise. If Radiant Retaliation additionally procced Retaliation on hit (e.g. Spiked Armor, but lower uptime) it could work.
Since they added Amplified Wrath, Kindle Zeal is next to pointless you actual lose out on condition damage due to the loss of burn damage. This is because the Guardian does not having access to other damaging condition but through sigil & runes and the added damage to these condition does not equal the damge loss to burning. This Grandmaster trait needs to be replace because there is no point to it anymore with AW.
The biggest problem with Radiant Retaliation is that it requires you to be hit and not evading, blocking or blinding. Now if your going to be hit you want a large health pool (vitality) or able to regenerate that health pool fast. Next you want high armour (toughness) and probably high protection up time. Retaliation works best on fast small hitting skills but you will need to be able to take some burst damage to give you the sustain so Retaliation has time to work.
And this is were the problems start going so far down Radiance you have only 8 trait points left to increase your health pool (Honor), armour (toughness) and Retaliation up time (traits; Honor or Virtues, minor in Zeal). Unfortunately looking at these requirements the best armour would be dire. This could maybe work in WvW but due to other professions could be unbalanced to add to sPvP.
On a whole I feel if you use Radiant Retaliation to get the enough retaliation damage you sacrifice ever to much health, armour or retaliation up time. Xaylin I think your right Radiant Retaliation needs some way to proc relation. Thinking about a Guardian and the Radiance line and weapon choices ever through blind, block or when applying burning but it needs something.
Also on a whole looking at the Radiance line I believe a condition Guardian was meant to use signets, as the signet traits are located in Radiance. I find sw/t & sc/f with at full signet build quite useful as you get advantages from both the passives and the actives.
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This build has multiply wild cards (traits & utility choices) that can be modified to individuals preferences but the base trait are 6,6,?,?,?.
Kindled zeal really does feel out of place. Unless Anet decides to provide more diversity in our damaging conditions, there isn’t really much use in going for it. I would expect to see either the trait drop to master, or we might be close to seeing a true condition weapon for the guardian.
For radiant retaliation, I feel like a x/6/x/6/x base with settlers in PvP, or shaman armor settlers everything else for wvw would be a preferred setup. You get about 20k health, 1k+ condition damage and healing power (-3khp in PvP). Everything else can go towards increasing those stats further. Maybe going into signets or shouts out both. You’ve still got 2 points to play with and runes aren’t spoken for. The largest problem with that is again, we don’t have a lot of diversity. Doom and geomancy sigils will only get you so far. We just need a little bit more, and we’ll have done fairly comparative dps condition and bunker condition builds.
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