Guardian is ridiculously overpowered.

Guardian is ridiculously overpowered.

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Posted by: Shimond.2478

Shimond.2478

If you have less health than a guardian as a necromancer you’re obviously completely ignoring vitality and he’s speccing fully into it.

Let me redirect you here to show you why: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Health

Necromancers are at the top tier of base health, guardians are at the bottom.

We can fully heal with two abilities (that I regularly use at any rate). A full heal spec guardian (which incidentally has no vitality) can get a full heal with the healing signet (32s cooldown with traits to reduce signet cooldown) and we can fully restore health with our elite (3m cooldown) #5 ability which has a pretty long cast time.

We do get the ability to remove conditions fairly regularly if built right. I run with the healing signet (removes a condition every 10s) and the trait that removes a condition every 10s, along with purging flames (removes conditions on a 40s cooldown), smite condition (removes a condition on a 15s cooldown) and contemplation of purity (turns all conditions to boons on a 60s cooldown).

So yea, you could say we’re definitely anti condition, but being able to fully heal like you say AND have more health than you? Not really possible.

Guardian is ridiculously overpowered.

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Posted by: ozymandias.5317

ozymandias.5317

So, what I get from that post is that you’re a reasonably competent player who had one fight with a guardian, being played by a possibly superior player who knew his class abilities and timing inside and out and was able to counter you and defeat you. And this experience has led you to the conclusion that all guardians are overpowered.
I can’t say I see your logic, as this is a pretty weak argument.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

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I can’t get vitality with necro condition build.

The trait build is 30 curse (condition dmg), 25 death magic, 15 soul reaping for spectral armor. Toughness is better for necro than vitality is for surviving hits cuz we alrdy got high health but no Defense. I have 2,780 armor, 1,860 toughness. If I go vitality, I lose my spectral armor which activates at 50% health which gives me -33% incoming damage for 7 1/2 seconds, which is an eternity in a 1v1. That is much better than a measly 55 vitality or whatever it is. My total health with this build is 18,372, plus increased duration death shroud from soul reaping tree as well, which is basically just more health. Was using scepter/dag with staff. You use undead rune which gives more cndtion dmg and toughness, and 5% toughness becomes condition damage. It’s the perfect condition build and vitality isn’t a part of it.

There was no way to beat that 1v1 with this build. The only other viable build we have is mass minion-toughness build with axe/dag and staff but then I can’t use the remove condition spell and my damage isn’t as good as condition spec I don’t think. I think I would have gotten owned even harder if I had mass minion build. Daggers? Please, no contest that isn’t even viable lol.

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Posted by: SiNoS.2147

SiNoS.2147

Ignore him. My guess is he encountered an heal spec guardian that was setup to counter conditions. Hes already posted this thread before and they removed it because its just a whine post. He does this in all the class threads. My guess is he just sucks as a player or is a total troll or both.

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Posted by: SirMoogie.9263

SirMoogie.9263

While conditions are normally good on low vitality professions, like the guardian, if specced right (by spec I refer to the combination of gear, weapons, traits, and skill choices) a guardian has impressive condition removal. The wiki has the details of a guardian’s impressive array:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition#Skills_that_remove_conditions

As other posters pointed out the guardian’s full heal is on a high cooldown elite and has a long cast time. If you notice a guardian building up a spell with a tome open it’s probably coming. you can attempt an interrupt with fear.

As a general point you shouldn’t come out of every 1v1 encounter expecting victory, sometimes certain professions will have an easier time against other when specced a certain way.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

While conditions are normally good on low vitality professions, like the guardian, if specced right (by spec I refer to the combination of gear, weapons, traits, and skill choices) a guardian has impressive condition removal. The wiki has the details of a guardian’s impressive array:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition#Skills_that_remove_conditions

As other posters pointed out the guardian’s full heal is on a high cooldown elite and has a long cast time. If you notice a guardian building up a spell with a tome open it’s probably coming. you can attempt an interrupt with fear.

As a general point you shouldn’t come out of every 1v1 encounter expecting victory, sometimes certain professions will have an easier time against other when specced a certain way.

Easier time..? the dude won the battle with like 80% health left. But yeah he must have used that elite skill…. too bad my elite skill plague just lets me survive longer basically in a situation like that, it does almost no damage so even if I had used plague on him it wouldn’t have mattered he still would have won by a mile.

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Posted by: Shimond.2478

Shimond.2478

It actually sounds perfectly balanced. You put together the ultimate condition build. He was running with the ultimate condition removal build.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

It actually sounds perfectly balanced. You put together the ultimate condition build. He was running with the ultimate condition removal build.

Pawn, meet your Queen.

His ultimate condition removal build seems like it would be good against everything. My class isn’t good against anything 1v1, lol.. that’s the problem.

Can we get a little fairness around here? ??

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Posted by: Deboog.1847

Deboog.1847

To OP, yes. Coming from a Guardian, Guardians are overpowered and Necros are underpowered. Most classes are somewhere in between, but you managed to run into one of the biggest gaps in power in the game. Sorry bout that. Imo lots of people on here are butthurt that you are insulting their class. Rather than think about how to fix the brokenness of Healing Signet they defend their own class without having tried Necro. Guys, let’s be honest. Guardian can heal ridiculous amounts, practically CC lock someone, and give every buff he has on himself to allies. He needs some weakpoint.

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Posted by: Shimond.2478

Shimond.2478

Games like these typically aren’t designed around 1v1. If you’re looking for a 50/50 shot at killing anything in 1v1 with any spec…you’re in the wrong genre. The weakness in a full healing/condition removal build is offense. But if they nullify your only source of offense of course they’ll eventually attrition you down.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

Games like these typically aren’t designed around 1v1. If you’re looking for a 50/50 shot at killing anything in 1v1 with any spec…you’re in the wrong genre. The weakness in a full healing/condition removal build is offense. But if they nullify your only source of offense of course they’ll eventually attrition you down.

wrong genre… ? Not designed for 1v1 .. ? you missed my point that my class is weak overall. I don’t think necro can get away with 1v1’ing anyone. This game is supposed to be balanced for tournament level play is it not? That dictates there should be SOME fairness around here but necro is just plain mediocre. Guardian is definitely on a different level at the moment and I’d just like some acknowledgement that your class is simply better than mine.

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Posted by: SiNoS.2147

SiNoS.2147

Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

What exactly is your damage if you spec’d like this guy did? I want to compare it to my own. Also I think this guy had a shield and a 1hand sword or something if memory serves. He was shooting ranged blue attacks at me, he also stunned me into a blue circle at one point.

Dude it’s pretty easy to push buttons and dodge at the correct times… lol saying I can’t play a necromancer after 200 hours of playing one is insulting kid.

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Posted by: Shimond.2478

Shimond.2478

wrong genre… ? Not designed for 1v1 .. ? you missed my point that my class is weak overall. I don’t think necro can get away with 1v1’ing anyone. This game is supposed to be balanced for tournament level play is it not? That dictates there should be SOME fairness around here but necro is just plain mediocre. Guardian is definitely on a different level at the moment and I’d just like some acknowledgement that your class is simply better than mine.

I don’t know enough about necro (and I don’t think you know enough about guardian) to make that statement. It could be true, but that could also be a ‘necro problem’ and not a ‘guardian problem’ which you seem to be approaching this as.

Losing one duel to one class one time does not make something broken.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

wrong genre… ? Not designed for 1v1 .. ? you missed my point that my class is weak overall. I don’t think necro can get away with 1v1’ing anyone. This game is supposed to be balanced for tournament level play is it not? That dictates there should be SOME fairness around here but necro is just plain mediocre. Guardian is definitely on a different level at the moment and I’d just like some acknowledgement that your class is simply better than mine.

I don’t know enough about necro (and I don’t think you know enough about guardian) to make that statement. It could be true, but that could also be a ‘necro problem’ and not a ‘guardian problem’ which you seem to be approaching this as.

Losing one duel to one class one time does not make something broken.

you must be in denial or are defending your OP class for no reason… seriously open your eyes.. maybe you should play a necro and see how weak we are. I see guardians destroying in spvp all the time. They are also one of the most desired spvp tournament classes to have in a group, and necro is not. If that doesn’t say OP I duno what does dude.

Warrior also smashes necro’s face apart as well. I just thought this fight was ridiculous because I almost got him with my weak crappy class, then he healed to full hp and I thought that was insanely lame.

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Posted by: SirMoogie.9263

SirMoogie.9263

While conditions are normally good on low vitality professions, like the guardian, if specced right (by spec I refer to the combination of gear, weapons, traits, and skill choices) a guardian has impressive condition removal. The wiki has the details of a guardian’s impressive array:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition#Skills_that_remove_conditions

As other posters pointed out the guardian’s full heal is on a high cooldown elite and has a long cast time. If you notice a guardian building up a spell with a tome open it’s probably coming. you can attempt an interrupt with fear.

As a general point you shouldn’t come out of every 1v1 encounter expecting victory, sometimes certain professions will have an easier time against other when specced a certain way.

Easier time..? the dude won the battle with like 80% health left. But yeah he must have used that elite skill…. too bad my elite skill plague just lets me survive longer basically in a situation like that, it does almost no damage so even if I had used plague on him it wouldn’t have mattered he still would have won by a mile.

Fully possible if he/she was healing and mitigating your damage. Health lost, if your report is accurate, doesn’t provide nearly enough information about the circumstances surrounding the victory. Did he/she actually lose 350% of his/her health, but have enough regen and healing to mitigate that much damage. Did you only lose 120% of your health, because you did not? Build matters and you haven’t provided enough details about the encounter for us to evaluate if it was indeed impossible for the average necromancer running some build to win as a profession against the average guardian playing this guardian’s build. You’re claiming lack of fairness, but we do not have enough information to actual determine that from your recollection. How many professions did you trounce that now think necromancers are unfair, just because you happen to be running a build that counters theirs?

It would be unfair if necromancers could never beat guardian’s running this specific build, but there isn’t enough information here to determine this. it would be unfair if this guardian’s build made him impervious to most avenues of attack, but I suspect more controlling/direct DPS build, or even lots of control on top of condition damage would crack him/her like an egg shell.

I’m not saying that the game is perfectly balanced and your case in impossible, just that you lack the information needed to evaluate it.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

While conditions are normally good on low vitality professions, like the guardian, if specced right (by spec I refer to the combination of gear, weapons, traits, and skill choices) a guardian has impressive condition removal. The wiki has the details of a guardian’s impressive array:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition#Skills_that_remove_conditions

As other posters pointed out the guardian’s full heal is on a high cooldown elite and has a long cast time. If you notice a guardian building up a spell with a tome open it’s probably coming. you can attempt an interrupt with fear.

As a general point you shouldn’t come out of every 1v1 encounter expecting victory, sometimes certain professions will have an easier time against other when specced a certain way.

Easier time..? the dude won the battle with like 80% health left. But yeah he must have used that elite skill…. too bad my elite skill plague just lets me survive longer basically in a situation like that, it does almost no damage so even if I had used plague on him it wouldn’t have mattered he still would have won by a mile.

Fully possible if he/she was healing and mitigating your damage. Health lost, if your report is accurate, doesn’t provide nearly enough information about the circumstances surrounding the victory. Did he/she actually lose 350% of his/her health, but have enough regen and healing to mitigate that much damage. Did you only lose 120% of your health, because you did not? Build matters and you haven’t provided enough details about the encounter for us to evaluate if it was indeed impossible for the average necromancer running some build to win as a profession against the average guardian playing this guardian’s build. You’re claiming lack of fairness, but we do not have enough information to actual determine that from your recollection. How many professions did you trounce that now think necromancers are unfair, just because you happen to be running a build that counters theirs?

It would be unfair if necromancers could never beat guardian’s running this specific build, but there isn’t enough information here to determine this. it would be unfair if this guardian’s build made him impervious to most avenues of attack, but I suspect more controlling/direct DPS build, or even lots of control on top of condition damage would crack him/her like an egg shell.

I’m not saying that the game is perfectly balanced and your case in impossible, just that you lack the information needed to evaluate it.

dude I’m a necro, I don’t counter anyone. I have one spell that counters boons on a class and turns them into conditions. That’s about it bro. I gave you my exact spvp build and my exact gear I was using. I duno what else you want me to tell you other than this was a straight up legit 1v1 where I probably had a few lucky dodges considering I almost got him, then he healed to full HP. Then he killed me with like 80% remaining health as I couldn’t do anything else at that point because I had already used death shroud to try and stay alive.

The fact that I almost got him and he had to use his elite skill was in itself a miracle. If you played a necro then you would know, especially if he was the perfect counter to my build. I don’t think this fight could have went any better in my direction to be honest with you.

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Posted by: SiNoS.2147

SiNoS.2147

Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

What exactly is your damage if you spec’d like this guy did? I want to compare it to my own. Also I think this guy had a shield and a 1hand sword or something if memory serves. He was shooting ranged blue attacks at me, he also stunned me into a blue circle at one point.

Dude it’s pretty easy to push buttons and dodge at the correct times… lol saying I can’t play a necromancer after 200 hours of playing one is insulting kid.

Playing for 200 hours doesent mean you can play, it just means you spent a lot of time on the character. And specced to take on a condition necro i would do at tops maybe 200-300 damage non crit. Sword and shield im not going to have massive condition removal. Most likely he had a greatsword. So over all for condition necro he pribally was around 20k-23k hp with a full vit build with healing elite and multiple condition removal abilities. Hes not going to be doing damage. As for calling me kid. Get off your high horse. You need to do some research on a class before you start crying in there threads.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

Shelledfade.6435

Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

What exactly is your damage if you spec’d like this guy did? I want to compare it to my own. Also I think this guy had a shield and a 1hand sword or something if memory serves. He was shooting ranged blue attacks at me, he also stunned me into a blue circle at one point.

Dude it’s pretty easy to push buttons and dodge at the correct times… lol saying I can’t play a necromancer after 200 hours of playing one is insulting kid.

Playing for 200 hours doesent mean you can play, it just means you spent a lot of time on the character. And specced to take on a condition necro i would do at tops maybe 200-300 damage non crit. Sword and shield im not going to have massive condition removal. Most likely he had a greatsword. So over all for condition necro he pribally was around 20k-23k hp with a full vit build with healing elite and multiple condition removal abilities. Hes not going to be doing damage. As for calling me kid. Get off your high horse. You need to do some research on a class before you start crying in there threads.

I’m not on a high horse, you apparently are though. May want to come down from up there bro.

Your class is straight up better than mine in every single way, that is obvious, and your telling me I need to research it more? For what lol? So I can read in detail why and how your class is so much better than mine is? I think I’ll pass.

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Posted by: SiNoS.2147

SiNoS.2147

Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

What exactly is your damage if you spec’d like this guy did? I want to compare it to my own. Also I think this guy had a shield and a 1hand sword or something if memory serves. He was shooting ranged blue attacks at me, he also stunned me into a blue circle at one point.

Dude it’s pretty easy to push buttons and dodge at the correct times… lol saying I can’t play a necromancer after 200 hours of playing one is insulting kid.

Playing for 200 hours doesent mean you can play, it just means you spent a lot of time on the character. And specced to take on a condition necro i would do at tops maybe 200-300 damage non crit. Sword and shield im not going to have massive condition removal. Most likely he had a greatsword. So over all for condition necro he pribally was around 20k-23k hp with a full vit build with healing elite and multiple condition removal abilities. Hes not going to be doing damage. As for calling me kid. Get off your high horse. You need to do some research on a class before you start crying in there threads.

I’m not on a high horse, you apparently are though. May want to come down from up there bro.

Your class is straight up better than mine in every single way, that is obvious, and your telling me I need to research it more? For what lol? So I can read in detail why and how your class is so much better than mine is? I think I’ll pass.

My class is not any better. The reason i tell you to research it is there is a way to counter all guardian builds if you know what to look for. For an anti condition guardian you need to drop your condition damage and roll into some power/vit gear. Then proceed to burn them with raw base numbers. Most condition countering guardians wont be able to survive that. It will be a long fight due to them healing but there not going to be able to deal with your 28-30k+ hp when you can actually deal damage to them. The only way to learn these counters is to learn the class your trying to counter. Which is a pvp 101 skill.

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Posted by: Shelledfade.6435

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Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

What exactly is your damage if you spec’d like this guy did? I want to compare it to my own. Also I think this guy had a shield and a 1hand sword or something if memory serves. He was shooting ranged blue attacks at me, he also stunned me into a blue circle at one point.

Dude it’s pretty easy to push buttons and dodge at the correct times… lol saying I can’t play a necromancer after 200 hours of playing one is insulting kid.

Playing for 200 hours doesent mean you can play, it just means you spent a lot of time on the character. And specced to take on a condition necro i would do at tops maybe 200-300 damage non crit. Sword and shield im not going to have massive condition removal. Most likely he had a greatsword. So over all for condition necro he pribally was around 20k-23k hp with a full vit build with healing elite and multiple condition removal abilities. Hes not going to be doing damage. As for calling me kid. Get off your high horse. You need to do some research on a class before you start crying in there threads.

I’m not on a high horse, you apparently are though. May want to come down from up there bro.

Your class is straight up better than mine in every single way, that is obvious, and your telling me I need to research it more? For what lol? So I can read in detail why and how your class is so much better than mine is? I think I’ll pass.

My class is not any better.

LOL! Sorry, stopped reading here. If you want me to take you seriously then you better post something with some actual substance and actual context in what we’re discussing at the moment. Necromancer is one of the worst classes in spvp right now, and you’re telling me your guardian class, one of the most OP classes in the game, is not any better?

Wow…. you have certainly never played spvp before have you? Otherwise you would know first-hand how bad necros are.

“My class isn’t any better, even though every structured group in a tournament has one but you would be hard pressed to find a necro in one.”

Yeah bro… we’re really the same… lmao.. Even though I just died and the guy had 80% health left, but yeah, you aren’t better at alllll.

Not only are you better 1v1 than us, but your better at support and can likely take more damage.

That’s just with that build, you probably do more damage than our max damage output is, which is condition damage sadly.

It’s really obvious you’ve never even touched necromancer, otherwise you’d know how bad we are. How about you go do some research into necromancer before you start saying we are the same.

necromancer has no effective power build. We have no burst dps whatsoever. Condition damage IS our highest damage output, bar none.

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Guardian is ridiculously overpowered.

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Posted by: SiNoS.2147

SiNoS.2147

Holy hell, I get the guy near almost death and he gets FULL health back… ? Like, FULL HP ? I am specced to turn buffs into conditions yet it only takes off a couple of buffs and the dude just rebuffs fast as hell and takes the conditions off himself.

So he did one of two things. He used the skill 5 of his elite which takes around 5 seconds to cast after casting the elite which take another 2 seconds or so to cast. Or he has really low hp and used healing signet.

Not only that but he has more health than I do, and does more damage than I do. Wtf?

Something here doesent sound right due to the first part you said he healed to full. As a necro you start with over 18k hp. As a guardian if i dump into vit i can get over that but i dont have any damage so to speak. Not to mention if i have healer elite skill that further nerfs me. Now if he infact doesent have vit gear hes setting around 10k or so hp which is impossible for a necro to be that low.

I’m supposed to be spec’d to deal with guardian lmao… I mean you’ve got to be kidding. I have a spell that is directly supposed to counter them (turns buffs into conditions) and it didn’t do jack diddly squat to this guy in the long run.

Just to point out we also have a skill that converts all conditions on us to boons. Or if rolling greatsword can purge all conditions every 10 seconds.

So all things being said you very clearly dont know guardians. Yes we can hit like a truck or we can be the bane of your conditions but we wont be all of it at once. As i said before you sound like you cant play. Or you have no idea what you were fighting. One or the other.

What exactly is your damage if you spec’d like this guy did? I want to compare it to my own. Also I think this guy had a shield and a 1hand sword or something if memory serves. He was shooting ranged blue attacks at me, he also stunned me into a blue circle at one point.

Dude it’s pretty easy to push buttons and dodge at the correct times… lol saying I can’t play a necromancer after 200 hours of playing one is insulting kid.

Playing for 200 hours doesent mean you can play, it just means you spent a lot of time on the character. And specced to take on a condition necro i would do at tops maybe 200-300 damage non crit. Sword and shield im not going to have massive condition removal. Most likely he had a greatsword. So over all for condition necro he pribally was around 20k-23k hp with a full vit build with healing elite and multiple condition removal abilities. Hes not going to be doing damage. As for calling me kid. Get off your high horse. You need to do some research on a class before you start crying in there threads.

I’m not on a high horse, you apparently are though. May want to come down from up there bro.

Your class is straight up better than mine in every single way, that is obvious, and your telling me I need to research it more? For what lol? So I can read in detail why and how your class is so much better than mine is? I think I’ll pass.

My class is not any better.

LOL! Sorry, stopped reading here. If you want me to take you seriously then you better post something with some actual substance and actual context in what we’re discussing at the moment. Necromancer is one of the worst classes in spvp right now, and you’re telling me your guardian class, one of the most OP classes in the game, is not any better?

Wow…. you have certainly never played spvp before have you? Otherwise you would know first-hand how bad necros are.

Its op in your opinion. I personally am about 50/50 when facing a necro. It depends on there build. If there condition heavy with no hp. Its not even close. If they run normal damage with some vit they normally beat me. As for flat ignoring a post strictly because you dont agree with the first part is very childish. Guardian’s here have been nice enough to deal with your trolling and actually help you against our own class. You refuse to listen. Im done with you as its obvious you have no intent on to listen to what the community is telling you and rather just whine and cry.

Guardian is ridiculously overpowered.

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