Guild Wars 2

Title says it all! What do you prefer? And why?

The revenant is similar to guardian, but a little bit better at everything.

Tough call for me. I honestly like DH and core guardian both. Think I’m gonna have to say rev though tbh. Hammer hits like a truck when i want to go ranged, and gives me 2 blast finishers. Also hammer 4 is amazing. I like LB on DH, but tbh lb 5 is just too slow with too long of a CD.

Melee its a pretty even split for me. I honestly find melee a tad boring on the rev, but i like the stance swapping. I like the unrelenting assault and off hand sword/shield active defenses, kinda reminds me of my mace/shield/focus combo on guard, but with the dps of GS.

Gonna have to agree with Farzo. Still playing my guardian, but my ranger got dropped like a bad habit.

So basically 2:0 for Guardian?

I also prefer revenant, more dps and better team support with glint.

so far im about to finish herald, and while rev supposedly has more dps, I dont feel it. Rev has no burst attack, its all auto attack. I dunno, I like rev a lot, but besides hammer I dont feel that powerful

Does it even need to be a competition? I’m going to have 2 Guardians and 2 Revenants regardless of how they each perform under whatever arbitrary conditions.

Guardian is better… Rev is trying too hard to be everyone else except a Revenant. They have no real direction in their abilities, and are lacking a lot in terms of real utility. And remember Guardian has been revamped a few times, so its a much more mature class. Only time will tell if Rev will actually get any better.

KellionBane.4956:

Guardian is better… Rev is trying too hard to be everyone else except a Revenant. They have no real direction in their abilities, and are lacking a lot in terms of real utility. And remember Guardian has been revamped a few times, so its a much more mature class. Only time will tell if Rev will actually get any better.

Gaurdian has better aoe stability
better reflects

Rev is better at everything else

? The Herald has so much frigging utility. I’m having a hard time grasping what you mean here.

(Revenant) are lacking a lot in terms of real utility.

Revenant has little Stability, condition cleansing and it’s way harder to heal with it than with guardian, for example. Also, no reflects, just blocks.

I did rise to 80 the Rev the friday with tomes, then I geared him with almost full ascended gear, and spent a few hours the Saturday and Sunday collecting almost the whole Central Tyria hero points (sits currently at ~40% spec).

So far: for completing maps the Rev feels better, Shiro is god tier for mobility, so you don’t need to waste space in traveler runes. Glint is even better due perma-swiftness.

In terms of damage mitigation and active protection the guardian feels better, due you can rearrange your utilities at will and have instant access to stability, blind and stunbreakers, whereas the legends are waaay more rigid; however the sustain is mostly the same, due the Revenant weapons provide access to insane amounts of blocks and evades/invulnerability. I mean, Revenant has even access to a shield that blocks!

The main difference is in the damage department; when you combine things like Impossible Odds, Rapid Lacerations and Swift Termination just the sword auto attacks are enough to melt things in no time. You also can gain access to inflict perma-vulnerability on foes, increasing damage and leeching life over foes with vulnerability. And on top of that, 100% critical chance every time you have fury. Need to say more?

grahf.7540:

? The Herald has so much frigging utility. I’m having a hard time grasping what you mean here.

(Revenant) are lacking a lot in terms of real utility.

Herald is overrated. Activating your auras puts a strain on your energy regen, which in turn lowers your personal dps. You’re pretty much force to turn off your auras, or just auto attack, if the fight lasts longer than a minute. Pretty much turning you into some buff bot for your party. Other classes don’t really sacrifice much for applying some boons to people. Ie. Guardians can give everyone might on crit. Warriors could do it even better, by applying might to everyone every time they get might. Fury is nice, but not really necessary.

The Herald just wins out in terms of laziness, which isn’t a bad thing. Just making the Herald work better via “player skill” isn’t going to happen.

You’re also locked into playing Herald, as switching stances suddenly makes you have none of those boons/utility.

KellionBane.4956:

Ie. Guardians can give everyone might on crit.

huh?
Most people don’t really consider Empowering Might to be a good group buff.

The might only lasts 5 seconds, the radius is only 240, and the trait has a 1 second internal cooldown. Even with everyone stacked on you, they’ll only get about 3 stacks of might on average.

The duration and radius are just way too small.

People that do use it normally do so because of the synergy with Altruistic Healing, not because of the Might it grants to the party.

Played a good amount of rev in the beta but I have to say that burn guardian is absolutely disgusting in PvE. You can just run past groups of mobs and burn them all to death without ever stopping. You never have to worry about dying with RF and Shelter and MF. I got MR 23 day 1 with burn guard and 37 day 2. Permeating wrath is too good.

Azure.8670:

so far im about to finish herald, and while rev supposedly has more dps, I dont feel it. Rev has no burst attack, its all auto attack. I dunno, I like rev a lot, but besides hammer I dont feel that powerful

no burst attack? are you high? unrelenting assault is a 10k damage spike while in evasion, what more do you want from a burst skill?

Darknicrofia.2604:

Azure.8670:

so far im about to finish herald, and while rev supposedly has more dps, I dont feel it. Rev has no burst attack, its all auto attack. I dunno, I like rev a lot, but besides hammer I dont feel that powerful

no burst attack? are you high? unrelenting assault is a 10k damage spike while in evasion, what more do you want from a burst skill?

… thats not a burst first of all. it does 10k, to one enemy, if theres 2 you might get 5k, 3 ,maybe 3k. its more of an evade. it actually does less dps per second than auto attack.

KellionBane.4956:

grahf.7540:

? The Herald has so much frigging utility. I’m having a hard time grasping what you mean here.

(Revenant) are lacking a lot in terms of real utility.

Herald is overrated. Activating your auras puts a strain on your energy regen, which in turn lowers your personal dps. You’re pretty much force to turn off your auras, or just auto attack, if the fight lasts longer than a minute. Pretty much turning you into some buff bot for your party. Other classes don’t really sacrifice much for applying some boons to people. Ie. Guardians can give everyone might on crit. Warriors could do it even better, by applying might to everyone every time they get might. Fury is nice, but not really necessary.

The Herald just wins out in terms of laziness, which isn’t a bad thing. Just making the Herald work better via “player skill” isn’t going to happen.

You’re also locked into playing Herald, as switching stances suddenly makes you have none of those boons/utility.

warrior is forced into phalanx strength and cant even weapon swap. drops 2 banners and its a might bot

Apples to oranges.

With Revenant Shiro with Sword/Sword you can have that great agile fighting style due to so many dodges and evades. Evade on sword 3, block on sword 4, pull+get-the-hell out on sword 5, Riposting shadows gap-maker + evade + stun breaker + restores 1 dodge, and possible evade on hammer 3 if you pick it. That’s something I cannot have on guardian.

Rev is good healer in ventari and buffer in herald but at the cost of dmg then. Guardian can support AND do his thing. Revs have no group quickness while Guards do.

Both are awesome tbh. I prefer Revenant’s theme though.

Azure.8670:

warrior is forced into phalanx strength and cant even weapon swap. drops 2 banners and its a might bot

Indeed.
When one spec (which locks you into one weapon) so clearly dominates any other option that it becomes (basically) mandatory, that’s just not very good game design.

But it could be worse. Wars could have been Ranger or Necro before the expansion…

Might stacking is just too powerful in PvE. It (along with Deep Freeze) drove the Zerker meta. Can you imagine how many more group comps we would start seeing if Might gave you 150 power/condition damage and stacked duration instead of intensity?

On the topic at hand though, I think we’re just in a “wait and see” period.

If the rest of the Raid ends up having mechanics similar to the first boss where you’re hit with a constant stream of small damage, and the big hits are due to mechanics that can’t be blocked with Aegis, then Revenant is going to be the clear choice.

Idk what the “meta” pve build is for Guardian (don’t do much pve).

Burn Guard seems hella fun for pve, watching those stupid plant people melt, would play over Rev.

Rev is fun with Shiro but its dps rotation for pve is extremely easy to learn.. You can literally learn it in 5 mins.