Guild Wars 2

People talk about thieves and mesmers being a pain in the kitten but I find that the guardian (a well built one) is the hardest class for a warrior like myself to kill. Even if you go glass cannon, hundred blades will not 1 shot most guardians, at most maybe get them down to 1/4 of their HP (if you are lucky and they don’t block all your CC or break out of stun.

They block like every 3rd of your attack, constantly have protection and retaliation so you do like 1k crits and 400 normal damage while taking damage yourself. Whatever little damage you do to them, they can heal it up rather easily as well. Going melee against them is like a death sentence as their greatsword can pack a punch and eventually they will wear you down with burns and retaliation. I find it kind of frustrating.

Does any1 have any tips to fighting Guardians, except maybe running or to zerg them? Honest question, I have not really played a guardian so a little bit of insight would be much appreciated.

Guards are weak at range… our only ranged weapon (scepter) is easy to dodge/avoid and depending on build guards can also weak vs conditions… I would focus on those vs trying to mele rush a guardian.

That being said… you might want to roll a guardian. It’ll help you fight them once you know their animations/general tactics.

Trying to burst down a Guardian who still has all (or most) cooldowns up is going to be futile most of the time.

What you should try to do is go into ranged (which is where Guardians are very, very weak) or try to whittle them down with sustained damage and conditions. When you suspect the cooldowns are down, then go for the burst.

Key-signs to look out for:

• Blue shields. Guardians have a couple of ways of completely negating attacks, but almost all of them can be seen by blue shield floating around. Don’t waste good attacks while these are up. It’s not a case of luck when your CC’s or heavy hitters are blocked.
• Renewed Focus: I don’t know how most Guardians use it, but I only use it when things are going badly (which might be wrong). Anyway, if a Guardian is invulnerable for a while, it means he just renewed his virtues, but also that he just used a powerful cooldown which will not be available for a while. The next time the Guardian heals, that’s probably when you should try for massive burst.
  Lastly, if things are going bad for you, you can always run away and try again later, when all your health and cooldowns are still up. It’s unlikely that the Guardian will be able to catch up on you.

In regards to healing, the main reason Guardians can replenish most of their health pool with one healing skill is that their health tends to be very low to begin with.

If you go up against a skilled Guardian using the high mobility build (teleports etc) then be careful because depending on his weapon setup he can lock you down for 7 seconds maximum and that is enough to deal some serious damage so in those cases ranged may not be the best option. I’ve never had any problems killing warriors though so I just take a relaxed approach to them and mostly concentrate on using all my tricks and such for Mesmers and theives which means you can also catch me unaware

…..umm why do we get these guardian vs warrior comparison posts every other day?

On topic, some range and kiting would be a nice idea. Since we have no range at all. Anytime you are kiting us is free hits.

Most Guardians would also likely outheal warriors quite easily though. So a war of melee attrition should be avoided.

Some solid kiting to make them burn cooldowns and then 100blade surprise burst might bring them down. Maybe…….

But i guess the easiest way to kill a guardian is probably to just stick with the zerg. Take out your rifle. And give him a 1500 range killshot.
Sounds like the the most failproof plan to me.

killahmayne.9518:

People talk about thieves and mesmers being a pain in the kitten but I find that the guardian (a well built one) is the hardest class for a warrior like myself to kill. Even if you go glass cannon, hundred blades will not 1 shot most guardians, at most maybe get them down to 1/4 of their HP (if you are lucky and they don’t block all your CC or break out of stun.

They block like every 3rd of your attack, constantly have protection and retaliation so you do like 1k crits and 400 normal damage while taking damage yourself. Whatever little damage you do to them, they can heal it up rather easily as well. Going melee against them is like a death sentence as their greatsword can pack a punch and eventually they will wear you down with burns and retaliation. I find it kind of frustrating.

Does any1 have any tips to fighting Guardians, except maybe running or to zerg them? Honest question, I have not really played a guardian so a little bit of insight would be much appreciated.

Permanently blocking every 3rd attack is impossible.
It might be like that at the start of a fight but there are periods
when a Guardian has virtues and utilities on cd and is very vulnerable.
You have a bow.
Warm the Guardian up from range.
Let him use some of it’s virtues and utilities to counter you.
Then close in and finish the kill.
I don’t understand why a warrior with a proper ranged weapon would
like to engage a Guardian only at close range.

A hammer warrior will have the best chance at killing a guardian. Spec for some survivability yourself and then try to beat them over time with all of the CC that hammer has to offer. Every other warrior weapon is too gimmicky and easy to counter.

kidbs.8920:

A hammer warrior will have the best chance at killing a guardian. Spec for some survivability yourself and then try to beat them over time with all of the CC that hammer has to offer. Every other warrior weapon is too gimmicky and easy to counter.

You better hope he didn’t bring SyG then…

You guys realize warrior range is almost as bad as, if not worse than, guardian range? Guardians at least has staff to keep pressure on kiters and they’ll last much longer in a straight melee dps race. Warrior has nothing but rifle, which is crap damage even if it hits, and snares are pointless against a guardian because you getting close to him is already doing 95% of his work for him.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You guys realize warrior range is almost as bad as, if not worse than, guardian range? Guardians at least has staff to keep pressure on kiters and they’ll last much longer in a straight melee dps race. Warrior has nothing but rifle, which is crap damage even if it hits, and snares are pointless against a guardian because you getting close to him is already doing 95% of his work for him.

LOL, you’re kidding, right?

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You guys realize warrior range is almost as bad as, if not worse than, guardian range? Guardians at least has staff to keep pressure on kiters and they’ll last much longer in a straight melee dps race. Warrior has nothing but rifle, which is crap damage even if it hits, and snares are pointless against a guardian because you getting close to him is already doing 95% of his work for him.

I would one shot you with kill shot. Hows that for a crappy rifle? Hell my volley would net me 6k easy.

@ Op. Time your shield blocks and enduring pain. Pace yourself and you will never lose to a guardian or at least die by one. Also, constantly use cc’s of any kind to make the guardian blow cool downs to either heal or stun break.

Archer.1658:

@ Op. Time your shield blocks and enduring pain. Pace yourself and you will never lose to a guardian or at least die by one. Also, constantly use cc’s of any kind to make the guardian blow cool downs to either heal or stun break.

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

Archer.1658:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You guys realize warrior range is almost as bad as, if not worse than, guardian range? Guardians at least has staff to keep pressure on kiters and they’ll last much longer in a straight melee dps race. Warrior has nothing but rifle, which is crap damage even if it hits, and snares are pointless against a guardian because you getting close to him is already doing 95% of his work for him.

I would one shot you with kill shot. Hows that for a crappy rifle? Hell my volley would net me 6k easy.

@ Op. Time your shield blocks and enduring pain. Pace yourself and you will never lose to a guardian or at least die by one. Also, constantly use cc’s of any kind to make the guardian blow cool downs to either heal or stun break.

Have you ever actually hit anything with Kill Shot or Volley? I think Orb detonation to staff auto actually does more than Volley in the same amount of time, even.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Archer.1658:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

You guys realize warrior range is almost as bad as, if not worse than, guardian range? Guardians at least has staff to keep pressure on kiters and they’ll last much longer in a straight melee dps race. Warrior has nothing but rifle, which is crap damage even if it hits, and snares are pointless against a guardian because you getting close to him is already doing 95% of his work for him.

I would one shot you with kill shot. Hows that for a crappy rifle? Hell my volley would net me 6k easy.

@ Op. Time your shield blocks and enduring pain. Pace yourself and you will never lose to a guardian or at least die by one. Also, constantly use cc’s of any kind to make the guardian blow cool downs to either heal or stun break.

Have you ever actually hit anything with Kill Shot or Volley? I think Orb detonation to staff auto actually does more than Volley in the same amount of time, even.

……..Your kidding right….?

Against different guardians you’ll need to do different things. The thing about guardians is they often have a lot of retaliation uptime, so instead of multi hit low damage skills or whirling axe use high damage low-hit skills, like for example, eviscerate. Even autoattacking is better. However, it is generally a bad idea to try to outlast a bunker guardian. You need to burst with heavy damage low-number-of-hits-skills. (They have low HP).

Retaliation does fixed damage, so to give you an idea on why it’s terrible to attack him with high-hit-number skills; let’s say he has 1.7k-1.8k power. Each time you attack him, you take around 350 damage in return. If you use the attack whirling axe, you’ll take 15×350 damage (which is 5k+), not to mention the damage he is outputting himself.

Attacking him while he has protection AND retaliation up is just bad. You would be essentially taking more damage from your own whirling axe than you would be dishing out if he just stood there. Hundred blades is a far more powerful skill, granted, but if you’re attacking him while his protection’s up and retaliation’s up you’re still going to take about 3-4k in damage just hitting him (and against a bunker guard with protection you wouldn’t be doing that much to him anyways, even with HB), and it’s not going to be worth using over something like, eviscerate or say your adrenaline slash.

Your other problem was apparently with our blocks. Ill list out our sources of blocking:

-Virtue of Courage passive – Grants Aegis every 40 seconds (can be traited down to every 30).
-Retreat utility (60 second CD, can be traited down to 48 seconds)
-Virtue of Courage (90 second CD, can be traited down to 63 seconds)
-Trait in valor (our best trait line, most guardians will have at least 5 points in this, which gives us this trait) that grants aegis when he hits 50% health
-Focus skill 5 (45 second CD) that creates a ring of shields around him and blocks three attacks (you WANT to make him block, otherwise it explodes and does damage to you)
-Mace skill 3 (15 second CD). Mace is a very very defensive/close range weapon (and one of our slowest), so if he has this out you won’t be taking much damage at all, and it’s unlikely he’ll catch you. Just kite him around with a rifle or something.
-Shelter (blocks for 1 1/4 second, 30 second CD): this is our weakest 6 skill in terms of how much is healed.

If you’re fighting a guardian, it’s generally inadvisable to OPEN with an attack that you’re relying on to burst him down with later, since his passive virtue of courage will give him 19hour aegis. Just destroy it with a low damage skill. If he pops aegis again, it usually means he sacrificed either a 60 second utility or a 90 second virtue, it shouldn’t be back up again unless he sacrifices an elite to recharge it (that would be pretty silly early on in the fight)

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

What’s wrong with counting bloodlust stacks? You don’t think everyone else is running around with bloodlust on them when they do their uber burst damage?

I run with over 3k attack, 50% crit chance and 91% crit damage. I generally have at least 4 stacks of might on myself at all times from just my own abilities. I’m not saying that I always pull that number, but if every hit connects and every hit crits then it does happen. I don’t know what some of you are running with that you think guardians hit like wet noodles.

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

And no food buff either right? :P But on a more serious note, glass canon has many different definitions so it’s hard to say what kidbs means. If you put enough in zeal/rad you can output 11k WW on good crits but you give up too many good traits.

IMO, I think a competent AH guard can give a competent warrior a run for his money. I don’t think either class has an advantage over the other, it’s really dependent on player skill in higher level play. What I do believe tho is warriors have a much more efficient setup to get the job done so in most cases. So competent players (not pros per say) can usually show off warriors much easier than guards.

I don’t really think this debate can be ever swayed unless there are options for 1v1 deathmatches. But I’m down for a fightclub with a ‘pro’ warrior anyday. Can’t say I’d win all matches but I’m willing to bet that I’d win 50% of the time.

LOL @ ^

Yeah Kidbs, Archer is the guy who doesn’t believe in running with food at all.

It is pretty easy to get 8k with WW as long as you land most of your hits and crit with them. It’ll be harder on the more skilled pro players obviously, but still possible.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

And no food buff either right? :P But on a more serious note, glass canon has many different definitions so it’s hard to say what kidbs means. If you put enough in zeal/rad you can output 11k WW on good crits but you give up too many good traits.

IMO, I think a competent AH guard can give a competent warrior a run for his money. I don’t think either class has an advantage over the other, it’s really dependent on player skill in higher level play. What I do believe tho is warriors have a much more efficient setup to get the job done so in most cases. So competent players (not pros per say) can usually show off warriors much easier than guards.

I don’t really think this debate can be ever swayed unless there are options for 1v1 deathmatches. But I’m down for a fightclub with a ‘pro’ warrior anyday. Can’t say I’d win all matches but I’m willing to bet that I’d win 50% of the time.

I want to see an 8k whirl wrath under those circumstances, you won’t even get close to 5k on a 3k+ armor’d opponent. No food, no stacks, no stacking might (other than empower from staff). I mean, if were talking about a full glass cannon guardian with 100~ish crit damage with 3.3k+ attack, then I suppose its possible, but you would be squishier than a glass cannon thief..so to what point does it serve.

Archer.1658:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

And no food buff either right? :P But on a more serious note, glass canon has many different definitions so it’s hard to say what kidbs means. If you put enough in zeal/rad you can output 11k WW on good crits but you give up too many good traits.

IMO, I think a competent AH guard can give a competent warrior a run for his money. I don’t think either class has an advantage over the other, it’s really dependent on player skill in higher level play. What I do believe tho is warriors have a much more efficient setup to get the job done so in most cases. So competent players (not pros per say) can usually show off warriors much easier than guards.

I don’t really think this debate can be ever swayed unless there are options for 1v1 deathmatches. But I’m down for a fightclub with a ‘pro’ warrior anyday. Can’t say I’d win all matches but I’m willing to bet that I’d win 50% of the time.

I want to see an 8k whirl wrath under those circumstances, you won’t even get close to 5k on a 3k+ armor’d opponent. No food, no stacks, no stacking might (other than empower from staff). I mean, if were talking about a full glass cannon guardian with 100~ish crit damage with 3.3k+ attack, then I suppose its possible, but you would be squishier than a glass cannon thief..so to what point does it serve.

First of all, how many people in pvp are running around with 3k armor… not as many as you seem to think. Second of all I never said it was without food buffs. Who realistically runs around with no food buffs in WvW? You would be a fool and gimping yourself.

Unbuffed I’m running at around 2090 power (over 3k attack), 15.5k hp, 2.6k armor, 48% crit and 91% crit damage. I use a 0/10/30/30/0 build (altruistic healing/ empowering might). I also use Omnomberry Ghosts and sharpening stones or skale venom. I build up stacks of bloodlust with one weapon and use superior rune of accuracy on my greatsword.

I have no problem killing people with this build as I generate plenty of healing from my crits alone, have 2 stunbreakers, stability, multiple blocks, damage immunity from my elite, removal of 2 conditions every 10 seconds, and 3 different ways to blind.

You always seem so down on Guardians but I’m guessing that the problem is you haven’t quite mastered the class yet.

kidbs.8920:

Archer.1658:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

And no food buff either right? :P But on a more serious note, glass canon has many different definitions so it’s hard to say what kidbs means. If you put enough in zeal/rad you can output 11k WW on good crits but you give up too many good traits.

IMO, I think a competent AH guard can give a competent warrior a run for his money. I don’t think either class has an advantage over the other, it’s really dependent on player skill in higher level play. What I do believe tho is warriors have a much more efficient setup to get the job done so in most cases. So competent players (not pros per say) can usually show off warriors much easier than guards.

I don’t really think this debate can be ever swayed unless there are options for 1v1 deathmatches. But I’m down for a fightclub with a ‘pro’ warrior anyday. Can’t say I’d win all matches but I’m willing to bet that I’d win 50% of the time.

I want to see an 8k whirl wrath under those circumstances, you won’t even get close to 5k on a 3k+ armor’d opponent. No food, no stacks, no stacking might (other than empower from staff). I mean, if were talking about a full glass cannon guardian with 100~ish crit damage with 3.3k+ attack, then I suppose its possible, but you would be squishier than a glass cannon thief..so to what point does it serve.

First of all, how many people in pvp are running around with 3k armor… not as many as you seem to think. Second of all I never said it was without food buffs. Who realistically runs around with no food buffs in WvW? You would be a fool and gimping yourself.

Unbuffed I’m running at around 2090 power (over 3k attack), 15.5k hp, 2.6k armor, 48% crit and 91% crit damage. I use a 0/10/30/30/0 build (altruistic healing/ empowering might). I also use Omnomberry Ghosts and sharpening stones or skale venom. I build up stacks of bloodlust with one weapon and use superior rune of accuracy on my greatsword.

I have no problem killing people with this build as I generate plenty of healing from my crits alone, have 2 stunbreakers, stability, multiple blocks, damage immunity from my elite, removal of 2 conditions every 10 seconds, and 3 different ways to blind.

You always seem so down on Guardians but I’m guessing that the problem is you haven’t quite mastered the class yet.

lol 15k life and 2.6 armor, you wouldn’t last two seconds in sPvP let alone WvW. I think you’re playing with the pugs dude.

kidbs.8920:

Archer.1658:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

And no food buff either right? :P But on a more serious note, glass canon has many different definitions so it’s hard to say what kidbs means. If you put enough in zeal/rad you can output 11k WW on good crits but you give up too many good traits.

IMO, I think a competent AH guard can give a competent warrior a run for his money. I don’t think either class has an advantage over the other, it’s really dependent on player skill in higher level play. What I do believe tho is warriors have a much more efficient setup to get the job done so in most cases. So competent players (not pros per say) can usually show off warriors much easier than guards.

I don’t really think this debate can be ever swayed unless there are options for 1v1 deathmatches. But I’m down for a fightclub with a ‘pro’ warrior anyday. Can’t say I’d win all matches but I’m willing to bet that I’d win 50% of the time.

I want to see an 8k whirl wrath under those circumstances, you won’t even get close to 5k on a 3k+ armor’d opponent. No food, no stacks, no stacking might (other than empower from staff). I mean, if were talking about a full glass cannon guardian with 100~ish crit damage with 3.3k+ attack, then I suppose its possible, but you would be squishier than a glass cannon thief..so to what point does it serve.

First of all, how many people in pvp are running around with 3k armor… not as many as you seem to think. Second of all I never said it was without food buffs. Who realistically runs around with no food buffs in WvW? You would be a fool and gimping yourself.

Unbuffed I’m running at around 2090 power (over 3k attack), 15.5k hp, 2.6k armor, 48% crit and 91% crit damage. I use a 0/10/30/30/0 build (altruistic healing/ empowering might). I also use Omnomberry Ghosts and sharpening stones or skale venom. I build up stacks of bloodlust with one weapon and use superior rune of accuracy on my greatsword.

I have no problem killing people with this build as I generate plenty of healing from my crits alone, have 2 stunbreakers, stability, multiple blocks, damage immunity from my elite, removal of 2 conditions every 10 seconds, and 3 different ways to blind.

You always seem so down on Guardians but I’m guessing that the problem is you haven’t quite mastered the class yet.

Dont bother explaining to archer. He is such a downer about guardians I don’t know why he even posts in the guardian forums. Just move along and continue owning like we know we do.

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Archer.1658:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Archer.1658:

kidbs.8920:

Ynna.8769:

kidbs.8920:

So basically you’re saying play your best and hope the guardian sucks right? A smart guardian will pace himself as well.

The difference being that a Warrior that paces himself can, when the right opportunity arises, call upon burst that could be enough to end a Guardian, whereas a Guardian who paces himself just dies slowly.

I may not be able to unleash 100b amounts of damage, but I can pop an 8k whirling wrath on someone. It’s not like Guardians don’t output good damage. And trust me when I say you don’t have to be a glass cannon to do the damage that I just described.

Proof of 8k Whirling wrath please. No 25 might stacks, no 25 stacks of blood lust, no upleveled naked people.

And no food buff either right? :P But on a more serious note, glass canon has many different definitions so it’s hard to say what kidbs means. If you put enough in zeal/rad you can output 11k WW on good crits but you give up too many good traits.

IMO, I think a competent AH guard can give a competent warrior a run for his money. I don’t think either class has an advantage over the other, it’s really dependent on player skill in higher level play. What I do believe tho is warriors have a much more efficient setup to get the job done so in most cases. So competent players (not pros per say) can usually show off warriors much easier than guards.

I don’t really think this debate can be ever swayed unless there are options for 1v1 deathmatches. But I’m down for a fightclub with a ‘pro’ warrior anyday. Can’t say I’d win all matches but I’m willing to bet that I’d win 50% of the time.

I want to see an 8k whirl wrath under those circumstances, you won’t even get close to 5k on a 3k+ armor’d opponent. No food, no stacks, no stacking might (other than empower from staff). I mean, if were talking about a full glass cannon guardian with 100~ish crit damage with 3.3k+ attack, then I suppose its possible, but you would be squishier than a glass cannon thief..so to what point does it serve.

First of all, how many people in pvp are running around with 3k armor… not as many as you seem to think. Second of all I never said it was without food buffs. Who realistically runs around with no food buffs in WvW? You would be a fool and gimping yourself.

Unbuffed I’m running at around 2090 power (over 3k attack), 15.5k hp, 2.6k armor, 48% crit and 91% crit damage. I use a 0/10/30/30/0 build (altruistic healing/ empowering might). I also use Omnomberry Ghosts and sharpening stones or skale venom. I build up stacks of bloodlust with one weapon and use superior rune of accuracy on my greatsword.

I have no problem killing people with this build as I generate plenty of healing from my crits alone, have 2 stunbreakers, stability, multiple blocks, damage immunity from my elite, removal of 2 conditions every 10 seconds, and 3 different ways to blind.

You always seem so down on Guardians but I’m guessing that the problem is you haven’t quite mastered the class yet.

lol 15k life and 2.6 armor, you wouldn’t last two seconds in sPvP let alone WvW. I think you’re playing with the pugs dude.

Trolls will be trolls I guess. All I do is WvW and sPvP btw.