Guild Wars 2

Im on FoW. Pretty low tiered enough. Bring the pain

I will be home from new years celebration tomorrow night. I would love to be one shotted by you

Lets see if a poot guy like me can beat someone runnibg around with 1000g lol

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, though Guardians are a lot better team wise because of some traits and such, and we have a superior condition removal system. I’ve got 2 level 80 guardians full rune sets and exotic armor. One for Defensive Team play being hybrid bunker mace+Shield(Shout build traited for condition conversion). The other Guardian being offensive burning crit Guardian, using Greatsword and using Burning as a damage amplifier(Traited for meditations). i really enjoy both of them. I’ve dueled others in WvW (Respectable duels where you bow before fighting) i could win against every profession except phantasmal Mesmer(I only beat him once only after getting schooled like 4 times). Though none the less it’s more or less about how well you play them.

Wow, I think posters should make it clear whether they are talking about PvE or sPvP/Wvw because player vs player is totally different than PvE imo.

Also, for me, I don’t play other characters enough to know the output, but a dps guard is better than a tanky guard imo because most of the battles in end game dungeons is a dps battle (especially with some exploits than immobolizes bosses) but regardless, dps > tank but only if you can handle it.

Why is a guard better than warrior imo? Because they can take damage better than warriors. They have the options to change adapt to any situation.

Fotm 38 currently and I’m full zerk guardian (which means I’m wearing full zerker gear NOT that I’m traited for pure power output because that’s just not smart given that our defense traitlines are much better) and I carry most of the team through given my huge amount of options and ability to tank damage.

Can a warrior fight any boss head on with 1shot kills? No, not without endure pain or a shield or dodging (but that’s limited). Guardians have something called aegis (fyi) and you can literally have access to it 4 times (proc on passive courage, retreat, use courage virtue, renewed focus, use courage virtue again) and heck, why not throw in shelter and renewed focus as another source of just standing in front of an enemy wailing on them? We can stay there when enemies do enough damage for it to not even matter who has the higher health pool. But can warriors? No. And you know what? We can give that to our ENTIRE dungeon team. Can warriors do that? No.

If you are a dungeon person Guardians >>>> Warriors. For the reason of sustained dps whether greater or smaller than warrior AND their options in reflecting ranged attacks (which you will appreciate in the grawl fractal in late game and other fractals) their tomes (which you will appreciate when dat agony is too much for any of your self healing to save you from) and that aegis to keep you going without having to back out if your dodges are on the down low. Seriously, what is there to argue about? Sure, maybe you can kill the bosses at non-fotm dungeons faster but you won’t be as useful as a guardian in endgame PvE. And sure, you can outplay a guardian, but if you seriously think your utilities are better than ours for PvE…then play a guardian at grawl fractal on 30+ and tell me how much easier it is than playing any other class. And you’ll be hearing a lot more “yesss we have a guard” more than a “Yesss we have a warrior”.

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let me put this into perspective

Warriors have roughly 20k more HP then a Guardian.

A thief does a burst combo on both classes with a 4 hit combo that does around 20k damage

Warrior absorbs the damage with its vitality and left with 15K health with no way to fully heal back up to 35K hp

Guardians block the first hit with aegis, blocked the second hit with another aegis, third attack missed with VoJ traited for blind, blocks last hit with a shield or focus or mace. If not block the last hit, the guardian can heal it back by just passive regen and symbol as well as AH giving health for using Virtues.

Damage mitigation is hugely powerful. Warriors are under powered. This is why they have been buffed recently.

Im sad to say, its another issue of L2P

So in you example a warrior sits there and lets himself get hit?
I hate finding this in these forums, if you have a massive hard on for a class please just write it somewhere else. Maybe get a tattoo saying I <3 Warrior. Warriors to have damage mitigation. And please provide the video where you manage to block all of a thief’s attacks. If you reflexes are really quick enough to not take a single hit after a thief jumps you from no where I will retract all ill perceptions of you.

It’s actually easy, see Thief, get into range, pop shield 3 second blocks, with the right spec stacks might, and pop 5 second invulnerability right before you knock him down, or stun him with Mace long duration stun, and kill him becuase most Thieves don’t run stun removal abilities.

Yes if you see him running at you sure, easy…cant remember the last time a thief tried to just wander up to me. I am not saying its not possible, I am just saying its not that common that you can block all of a thief’s first burst. and again this is based on the idea that the thief doesnt notice or react either….he has a block up i will fall back and wait for it to go down.

As a frequent Warrior player, I have to second the above thoughts on the damage mitigation, and would like to add that it’s actually a bit ridiculous. One should not be able to go full DPS while still maintaining some silly innate safety cushion that basically makes them better Warriors. The fact that they can do this and provide a high level of support to the team says to me that something has to give, or Warriors need some form of buff.

One should not be able to go full DPS while still maintaining some silly innate safety cushion

You mean like Endure Pain?

Guardian Greatsword is leaps more fun (literally) than the Warriors.

Endure Pain only saves you for a few seconds out of every 90. It also only effects yourself. But then Warriors kind of get shafted on utilities anyway. >_>

Arc’s post is mostly summarizing my thoughts on the matter.

I agree with Hicci I think that the Guardian (when used effectively) can be beast compared to a warrior. I have played both classes for a while and in my point of view the warriors only ace is that it’s skills are damage based. When I played my guardian I found out that I could whip up some deadly combos with the skills plus I had way more perks than the warrior. My Aegis has saved me hundreds of times in a fight (one hit can make the difference).
Plus in PvE I noticed that my guardian with all it’s shields and stuff was saving everybody every time they went down, I found myself having to resurrect my whole party (in the end after reviving the last guy the monsters finally brought down my health and shields and everything but still I saved the team).
Plus in PvE I can’t help but notice, using my Great Sword, that I was doing some kitten AoE damage.

Know the Gurdian, know yourself

This debate could last forever…
Simply put, the Guardian and the Warrior were not meant to be compared.
Let’s look at this logically. The Warrior was made to use a wide variety of weapons as they have the widest selection in the game (one thing, for those of you comparing, that the Guardian does not have). Warriors, for the amount of dps, are very tough to take down. Also, for those of you who may not have notice, Warriors cannot use magic while the Guardian does. Guardians are excellent at staying alive (hence “masters of protection” – - check out the wiki). Warriors are excellent at killing (hence “masters of martial combat”)

They are different from eachother and it is because they are both classified as soldiers and use the same armor that people assume that one is better than the other. We may as well be comparing the warrior to the mesmer in terms of tankiness/dps….

Don’t think of the Guardian as the old Monk from gw1…but in a way, I guess you should. Guardians have excellent ways of staying alive and high armor rating making them good for front line support.