Guild Wars 2

I have this build to do it all anywhere I’m not the type that like to change gear every time i change game type (WvW, PvE, DG)
Lately i’m having trouble with conditions, they burn my life out so fast..
Any advises?
Please avoid posting build with full ascended, i can’t make those and may show an unrealistic stats.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR7fl0ApUo1CxVI0ENR8QldK2izY1BQD8oY9EA-TRiAABRqEMGdDOpEDgHAgO7PInSDgU/xLlBvZ6hUAmoMC-e

Hybrid guardian are somehow viable in WvW roaming, but otherwise you will be terrible. Guardian are the worst profession to use condition of all 8.

Here two builds for WvW roaming and PvE that are pretty similar in gear. If you use flame legion rune, and keep your PvP sigils you will have almost zero gear switching to do and you will have two good build rather than 1 bad one.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Guardian_-_GS_Sword/Focus/Torch

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Guardian_-_Meditation_Roamer

For sPvP your gear doesn’t affect your stats so it doesn’t matter one bit.

With the introduction of sinister gear, a hybrid build focused on permanent burn uptime is having much more success in solo dungeon play than your average zerker builds (this is also true for both warriors and engineers). I do commend you for trying something new but don’t expect to push any boundaries outside of solo play.

That being said I believe this is the build you’re looking for: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVEQRAsf7dlsAXgKFmC3McGySYJE/6f4ExDVmjRLa5H0CVHATwjC-TxRFABDqEUY1f6Y/BAOJAEr8r3nAgv6HEFAEB-e

Smite and Zealot’s Defensive help proc Virtue of Justice successively whilst Zealot’s Flame is saved generally for AoE. Try not to activate virtue of justice unless your’re fighting groups of mobs that die quickly.

A very important spell to take note of is the human elite racial Reaper of Grenth. Normally guardians do not have access to poison yet with the help of this elite we are given constant AoE poison and chill.

I have solo’d lupicus using this build.

Bacon.1835:

With the introduction of sinister gear, a hybrid build focused on permanent burn uptime is having much more success in solo dungeon play than your average zerker builds (this is also true for both warriors and engineers).

If you can land all hit of smite and switch between Sw/T and Sc/F during the fight you will be able to do 2640 of direct damage dps with the build you posted.

You have perma burning so that’s 0.25 * 1792 + 328 =776 dps
Add AW and Sigil to reach 776 *1.33 * 1.06 =1 094 dps of burning.

For bleeding lets say you put bleed each 2 seconds, that mean that you can keep 2,5 stack for 466 dps.

Total dps = 4 200 dps. And that’s a really not reliable dps number for most fight since rare are the mobs that will take all the hits from smite. It would be a correct dps expectation for Lupi and other slow/large bosses, but that’s it.

In the same situation. A zerker Sceptre build (6/6/2/0/0) would make around 6 100 dps. While in normal fight a zerker GS + Sw/F (6/6/2/0/0) would make around 5 200 dps.

So yes, hybrid guardian are viable in solo situation, yes maybe you prefer using it which is fine. But in no way it’s more efficient than a zerker. The problem here is mostly because condition are not affect by damage multiplier like direct damage is. If they could, then yes hybrid guardian could be a rival to zerker build in solo. That said, condition build can be easier to use in a solo situation.

I believe he is looking for advice on how to negate condition damage against himself, not make a guardian build that focuses on condition damage. This is based on this from his OP:
“Lately i’m having trouble with conditions, they burn my life out so fast..
Any advises? "

Weyrd.2794:

I believe he is looking for advice on how to negate condition damage against himself, not make a guardian build that focuses on condition damage. This is based on this from his OP:
“Lately i’m having trouble with conditions, they burn my life out so fast..
Any advises? "

He also posted a build that use carrion gear.

anduriell.6280
“I have this build to do it all anywhere I’m not the type that like to change gear every time i change game type (WvW, PvE, DG)
Lately i’m having trouble with conditions, they burn my life out so fast..
Any advises?
Please avoid posting build with full ascended, i can’t make those and may show an unrealistic stats.”

I would suggest that you dropped and tome Not a very good skill for what you’re trying to do. I would also suggest That you reassess Your attempt At condition damage Realize That burning Condition does not stack and if anyone That has higher condition damage than you and applies a burning it’s going to override yours making This build very mediocre for DPS. I’m not entirely sure why you have trinkets that have healing power of healing power so low the little the trinkets give you is doing nothing. Your low survivability from conditions stems from you having no condition removal. Extremely low Crit chance And even lower credit damage Destroys your burst modifier making your 20% bonus to damage with agis a pointless trade.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR7flsApVo97wZI8DNRCBl1Mw+DPPFXHgLcAA-TxCEwAJOIA6U6BTlndKD+t/ghjAoEkl6Ad0NA4BA84CAE28HpAMXZE-e

Okay I’m not saying this is the best build ever I’m sure you’ll do more DPS have better survivability and be way more of a benefit to your party. Do not take my post as me being negative I’m simply saying these are things that you probably noticed were a problem or were wondering why You were having issues with Them. Give this a try it’s a cheap build I bet you’ll enjoy it.

Since people are already commenting on this very thing I hope the OP doesn’t mind if I request a bit of help myself.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVQQNArfWnkISzQWIEeuB/QmIeoydMeRbHhXoyAYCA-TRSHABjpHYPlg/p+DZnAAbfAAfs/waaCGS5HAHBgAAHAM+4jP+4jXKAIWWB-e

Just coming back after a long break. And this is an old guardian condition build I use to use. I was curious what people think of it. In everything but sPvP I use hotswapping. I swap to hammer depending on the situation. I use the hammer as a combo finisher for my fields and as a double immobilization stacker to keep people in place for scepter/torch.

The build play I was hoping to get out of it is a harasser. Basically great debuffer with the amount of boons I remove consistently. With two condition types Poison and Fire. While also still having the standard party aid skills. I’m not really looking to tank at all with this.

Thaddeus.4891:

Hybrid guardian are somehow viable in WvW roaming, but otherwise you will be terrible. Guardian are the worst profession to use condition of all 8.

Completely false.

We’re actually slightly better than most condi classes 1v1 and slightly behind in certain 5v5 scenarios with a few minor, scenario given, exceptions.

• Like the ability to wipe a whole team if they’re all at 30% health. No other class comes close in matching our condi burst potential.

It’s due to our poor mobility, CC, and lack F1 aoe condi applications that we slightly perform worse than other classes who are very forgiving in that area. Their utility skills are useful when their condi doesn’t put out. If Guardian condi doesn’t put out, we have 0 utility to bring to the team unless you go shouts, or deep in virtues.

We’re more wanting than condi Ele hands down. We’re definitely not the worse condi spec in game.

To OP
The only thing worth getting in Virtues if Absolute Resolution and Indomitable Courage. I wish Permeating Wrath and Supreme Justice was as good as we want them to be… simply put; they’re gimmicky. unviable traits that should never be used other than for fun.

62600
A more bursty-selfish spec, the lone wolf version of hybrid builds. You should never lose a 1v1 fight but be weary in 3v3+ scenarios. I’ve gotten good enough with this build to switch out Smite Conditions for SYG. You can do so only if you feel confident enough to not miss an extra 2k heals/dmg + cleanse every 16s.

04604
This is the middle man out. You won’t do as much damage as the build above, and not quite as much support as the build below. But you’re still an adversary in 1v1 while offering a little something-something for your team.

00464
A more team oriented + self sustaining version of hybrid build. If there was ever a Cele amulet version of Guardian, this would probably be it. You’ll be like a tank to Cele classes but be weary of high burst Zerker builds. This build is best played defensively, make sure you’re allies are near your shouts and Torch #5’s 600 radius but never over commit yourself since you’re not as good 1v1. Be near your teammates at all times.

Additional trait and skill variants to switch to

ZEAL

• Focused Mastery (this has saved me a couple of times where Focus #5 was very much needed.)
  Shattered Aegis (my personal favorite. I like seeing a burst of 1k+ when used with other party members around.)
  Scepter Power (I would say this is second best next to focused mastery trait)

RADIANCE

• Blind Exposure (extra condi coverage + raw damage boost)
  Shimmering Defense (you’ll likely to down a few folks if used correctly. when it works, it works.
  Searing Flames (really only useful against 1v1 fights. works great against celestial classes.)

VIRTUES

• Unscathed Contender (you’ll surprisingly have aegis up for a few attacks until it gets knocked off making this one of the better traits available)
  Vengeful (self explanatory)

Top Three Runes
Flame Legion – Bal runes – Krait Runes
^———————^—————^
|———————|——————|4k aoe damage is quite nice. this is my rune of choice
|———————|Probably thee condi amulet. It buffs your single F1 procs by 45%.
A mix of raw damage and burn durations. Most useful when using a GS

Vooladen.3942 “The build play I was hoping to get out of it is a harasser. Basically great debuffer with the amount of boons I remove consistently. With two condition types Poison and Fire. While also still having the standard party aid skills. I’m not really looking to tank at all with this.”
Remember the cooldown on the Burns removing Boon is 10 seconds this means you’re not removing very many boon so you may want to change that trait. Full glass Condi is not the best on the Guardian if you’re wanting to go this route you may as well ditch the Condi and up your critical damage and power you would get way more in return. That being said I would suggest changing your healing skill to shelter or signet either would Would provide you with more support Remember Litany of wrath Gives you HP based off the damage you deal In the set time Not a very optimal Heal for Condi build. Condition guard can be fun But you have to realize that as a guardian you have very limited mobility at extremely low HP as your build is now this makes you a very easy target emphasis very easy target.

@Saiyan.1704 fun pvp builds but not what he was asking for.
anduriell.6280 “(WvW, PvE, DG)”

Kagak. You suggesting I was an easy target is sort of the reason I thought of Litany as a alternative to Shelter. I use Shelter as it stands right now. But people see condi guardian and they think your easy to bring down. Litany basically makes you invulnerable while your using your strongest attack. The torch flamethrower. But Shelter is also nice too.

The type of setup I was pvping with and using in WvW was immobil. If they break it than I use signet to knock them down. Cast the scepter AoE. And than sit on them with the flamethrower. Two of the highest damaging attacks guardians have and it melts people before they have much option to do anything else.

For people who have good heal and survivability I toss down my poisons. I usually rely on other defensive classes to keep me alive. I think this type of guardian has some of the best single target damage potential there is. As long as you can get the foe to sit in place for a few seconds. Or if he is distracted by someone else and you ambush him.

The reason I stuck with conditions as a secondary is not fully shown in my build. I switched to Earth Rune for bleed stacking. My crit is already really high and with the sheer number of attacks I proc the bleed everytime it goes off cooldown. I also did put more into precision and crits than I did condition damage.

Edit. I small little survivability note to others doing something like this is that the Scepter AoE people try to target on someone and than they move. Instead cast it on yourself. They will have to come melee you and they’ll end up having to stand right in it or run away giving you a way to get a break to heal up.

@Vooladen.3942

Something to keep in mind when you use litany Is that it’s a very telegraph Heal and it’s easy to interrupt And with your lack of stability and Stun break and low HP and mobility as previously stated will find yourself very prone to being CCed to death with minimal effort.

Thaddeus.4891:

If you can land all hit of smite and switch between Sw/T and Sc/F during the fight you will be able to do 2640 of direct damage dps with the build you posted.

You have perma burning so that’s 0.25 * 1792 + 328 =776 dps
Add AW and Sigil to reach 776 *1.33 * 1.06 =1 094 dps of burning.

For bleeding lets say you put bleed each 2 seconds, that mean that you can keep 2,5 stack for 466 dps.

Total dps = 4 200 dps. And that’s a really not reliable dps number for most fight since rare are the mobs that will take all the hits from smite. It would be a correct dps expectation for Lupi and other slow/large bosses, but that’s it.

In the same situation. A zerker Sceptre build (6/6/2/0/0) would make around 6 100 dps. While in normal fight a zerker GS + Sw/F (6/6/2/0/0) would make around 5 200 dps.

So yes, hybrid guardian are viable in solo situation, yes maybe you prefer using it which is fine. But in no way it’s more efficient than a zerker. The problem here is mostly because condition are not affect by damage multiplier like direct damage is. If they could, then yes hybrid guardian could be a rival to zerker build in solo. That said, condition build can be easier to use in a solo situation.

The appeal of condi builds is that damage will always be rolling on a target even when you have to dodge or kite. Whereas your typical zerker build requires a constant skill rotation to pull the numbers on a spreadsheet.

kagak.4230:

@Saiyan.1704 fun pvp builds but not what he was asking for.
anduriell.6280 “(WvW, PvE, DG)”

I gave him exactly what he was asking for. Viable builds that excels well depending on how he likes to play; as well as, the ability to condi cleanse conditions since that was his biggest concern.

These aren’t just PvP builds. He can use them for " WvW, PvE, DG".

@Thaddeous
Exactly what bacon said. You don’t have to glue yourself to a target like Zerker builds. You are also less susceptible to getting kited, our biggest flaw. The only argument you have when it comes to Zerks vs Hybrid is that Zerkers typically do better in 3v3+ scenarios.

Even then, there’s certain scenarios where a Hybrid guard can out perform Zerks. It really depends on the player’s skill level.

Saiyan.1704:

Thaddeus.4891:

Hybrid guardian are somehow viable in WvW roaming, but otherwise you will be terrible. Guardian are the worst profession to use condition of all 8.

Completely false.

What is completely false? When I say that Hybrid are somehow viable in WvW roaming? I’m not a fan, but I know that a lot of ppl like them. It’s been more than a year that people talk about those and still it didn’t replace medi guardian as top guardian roaming build. I know it’s a build that work, but sorry I don’t like it that much. When I say the worst profession to use condition i’m talking in PvE. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.

Bacon.1835:

The appeal of condi builds is that damage will always be rolling on a target even when you have to dodge or kite. Whereas your typical zerker build requires a constant skill rotation to pull the numbers on a spreadsheet.

If you stop attacking for a dodge you are losing dps, that you are a zerker or a condition build. It’s not because you last hit’s condition are still doing damage that you are not losing dps when you stop attacking. That argument is stupid. Condition don’t have an advantage over this. What you should have said instead is that condition hit as strong when you use a range weapon than a melee weapon. So you can kite mobs and continue to put condition on them without stopping, while on the other hand power build usually need to be in melee to do their max damage which then could lead to more dodge, which themselves will decrease the dmg. But in this particular situation, that doesn’t apply since the hybrid build he posted was melee.

People, can we get our head out of our kitten and talk about 1 game mode at the time?? When I post an argument about the situation of Hybrid in PvE, please don’t use it to talk about hybrid in PvP.

Saiyan.1704:

@Thaddeous
Exactly what bacon said. You don’t have to glue yourself to a target like Zerker builds. You are also less susceptible to getting kited, our biggest flaw. The only argument you have when it comes to Zerks vs Hybrid is that Zerkers typically do better in 3v3+ scenarios.

Even then, there’s certain scenarios where a Hybrid guard can out perform Zerks. It really depends on the player’s skill level.

I agree. In the end.

- Hybrid guardian are useless in Dungeon and other PvE group content.
- They can work in solo PvE situation, but they will be less efficient than power build.
- They won’t be good in WvW Zerg
- We know they are viable in small scale PvP fight, but the actual strength of these family of build are on an ongoing debate in the community. It work, but are they great or just good build? This discussion last for the last year and we won’t gonna end the conversation about this in the current post.

Thaddeus.4891:

If you stop attacking for a dodge you are losing dps, that you are a zerker or a condition build. It’s not because you last hit’s condition are still doing damage that you are not losing dps when you stop attacking. That argument is stupid. Condition don’t have an advantage over this. What you should have said instead is that condition hit as strong when you use a range weapon than a melee weapon. So you can kite mobs and continue to put condition on them without stopping, while on the other hand power build usually need to be in melee to do their max damage which then could lead to more dodge, which themselves will decrease the dmg. But in this particular situation, that doesn’t apply since the hybrid build he posted was melee.

People, can we get our head out of our kitten and talk about 1 game mode at the time?? When I post an argument about the situation of Hybrid in PvE, please don’t use it to talk about hybrid in PvP.

Firstly, tone down the rhetoric. Secondly, use some grammar.

If both a condi and zerker were to stop attacking an enemy to dodge, kite or heal they would both obviously be losing raw damage uptime from auto attacks. However, the condi build will still have 1k DPS worth of burning rolling on the boss while the other does not. Additionally, conditions will ignore heavy armor and protection; case in point: Lupicus, dredge, Mordrem Husk. In these instances a condi build will have the advantage, a fact you can’t seem to grasp

The OP asked for a burning guardian build that was suitable for all genre’s of play. I pioneer the opinion (one also shared by DnT) that sinister builds are more than sufficient for solo PvE content (competitive or otherwise). We all understand the point that a zerker setup will offer the highest damage a guardian can do in a group or solo but that’s not what we are discussing.

Let’s not have a debate on condi vs zerk and start trying to inform the OP on the best way to go about making a burning build like he/she asked.

Bacon.1835:

Firstly, tone down the rhetoric. Secondly, use some grammar.

Thanks I like rhetoric, i’ll put more of it next time

English is my third language if it offend you, internet isn’t the best place to go.

Bacon.1835:

a hybrid build focused on permanent burn uptime is having much more success in solo dungeon play than your average zerker builds.(this is also true for both warriors and engineers)

That’s your quote. There is a difference between :

1) Guardian Hybrid build are good in solo PvE situation

and

2) Guardian Hybrid build are superior to zerker build in solo PvE situation

I know that engineer and warrior condition build are powerful in PvE solo. I won’t comment on whether if condition build are better than zerker for those two since I never tried them personally. I just know they are some of the best profession for condition in PvE.

But I know that Guardian Hybrid is good in solo PvE, but it’s not ‘’having much more success’’ than zerker build. That’s the specific point I was arguing about.

The thing I’m most curious about. Is when the expansion hits. Do you think they’ll have a specialization for all of us who currently love to play condi guardian? I wonder if that will obscure it even farther. I sure hope it supports that.

I saw a lot of comments about condi guardian not being good in group play. One of the first videos I ever saw on condi guardian that made me want to try it forever ago. Was doing one of the current really hard fights in the game and most guardians were getting crushed and a condi guardian with a torch breezed through it like it was cake. He just had his whole party sit in a corner so all his aoes stacked ontop of them for keeping them alive and for doing damage.

Granted I don’t know that that STILL is really effective. But it was. And the condi talk from over a year ago seems to be the same as it is now. Being honest here tho, let’s not kid about condi. If your not a human or an asura your condi potential on a guardian is pretty crap. Poison from asura and the elite skill from humans are both extremely useful.

Infact I sometimes even use the tank robot from Asura in PvE to take the hits and keep the enemy in place for scepter/torch combination. Pretty effective to a certain extent.

hi all thank you for your answers. Actually i followed your advise and change to a power build medi guardian.
I found condi/hibrid guard seems good on paper but then again it does not work so good in real play. In PvE solo it works ok, but we know PvE is not very demanding.
Reasons i’m going for a power build and i think is better:

• Fire condition is an particular condition. Only 9 stacks can be applied. That makes the guard in any team with an ele completely redundant. So because of that most damage is lost.
• Damage looks good on paper (6.5K on purging flames for example) but then when you split the damage between the duration (10 secs) it’s down to around 700 dps, because how works fire condi that’s all the burning DPS you’ll do (it does not accumulate). That’s not that much having in mind that you have to sacrifice a lot.
• The guard with almost any skill does fire damage, so you can keep the perma-burning going for the 10% extra damage with the trait. Also if you get like 1.5 secs with virtue of justice every 3 attacks you can achieve keep the burning going all the time.

So now. With a tanky-power build i can do a decent amount of direct damage and have more mobility because the runes of the traveller. I found for Zergs, WvW and dungeons (i don’t play PvP) that’s is much more effective than focus on the burning condition.
It’s a shame because i really wanted to use the burning but because how that condition works it doesn’t seems really effective.
I don’t complain how burning works, i think is fine like it is, just it is not really usefull for my play style right now.

I didn’t know where to post this so ill put it here. I’ve been messing with this burning flavor last days and it worked out pretty nice, having 32 crit-chance in Carrion is nice! Maybe doom would be better but I like the Torment ticks

Here is the build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsd7flsApcodDxaI8DRh/Qkj1LVB4cdZ2HA-TJRZwAe2fo9RBAQZg8vAAA