Guild Wars 2

The Revenant elite specialization Herald will become better stronger Guardians.

Plus there weapon, SHIELD, is everything we Guardians have been begging the devs the last three years for.

Envoy of Exuberance: Dragon energy cascades from the shield to protect and heal your allies, then comes back to you. As it’s a ground-targeted skill, you can position this one strategically to maximise its usefulness.

Crystal Hibernation: A crystal energy shield prevents damage after this skill has been channelled, and it also quickly tops up your health pool. Your character gains a defiance bar when this skill is used, and the risk of using it will need to be considered carefully.

For three years we have been begging the devs to rework shield (amongst other things -spirit weapons) and we consistently get ignored.

Now we receive the worst elite specialization (thus far) Dragon Hunter, with the worst skills in the game (Traps) with a Longbow that is weaker then Scepter and Virtues that are weaker then the current Virtues.

Anyone else regretting pre-purchasing Heart of Thorns?
Do the devs even read these forums?
Is all our feedback ignored?

(sorry for the rant but after three years i am beyond frustrated)

You sound pretty angry, chill a bit. I love DH, longbow, and even the traps (the one that spreads aegis out is just godly in PvP) but I think thats a topic for the numerous other DH threads.

Shield and the Herald, I agree. Guardian shield has always been the worst shield of the three, now five, shield users. It’s hilarious that focus offers more defense than the shield itself does. It does not work as a support weapon either, as some may argue, since focus offers cleansing and in the first place any support Guardian would wield a Staff/Hammer.

Shield #4 needs to do a knockback, and unsplit the protection duration from PvP and PvE. 3 seconds of protection is just trash.

Shield #5 is just a mess. It offers no defense and little healing. The knockback is a niche, and the short duration of the bubble offers little defense against ranged attacks. It needs to be changed or give some sort of defense, like allies within the shield get damage reduction and cleanse condis.

I like to think of the Herald as a sign they can make good, thematic shield skills…

Now we just need them to do it for us.

Guard Shield 5 — Double the duration. Add “You and up to 4 allies in the shield gain Resistance while you remain within the bubble.” Done

Shield needs to be reworked but from a class standpoint I don’t read too much into equivalence arguments. Revenant, until now, had no real defensive boons on their skills and ventari spec is literally just heals. Imo they needed a good defensive weapon as even during the beta they just felt like down state food.

Upkeep will guarantee that this will not allow Revenant to necessarily be stronger, but I agree regarding the shield. Guard is in a good place, I just wish shield was a better option.

Guardians dps is better. The 2 classes are extremely different so you can’t say this is a better guardian then guardian

@OP I understand your frustration. Guard needs some long time TLC. Especially concerning shield and DH.

It would be great to hear from a Dev what their plans are to cool some jets.

@Sylent – You are correct in concerns of DPS. But that can be subject to change as they improve Rev. The focus should be in terms of support at the moment because that’s laid out for us by looking at the legends and weapon kit sets.

After three years of shield being mediocre and having now TWO very good offhand weapons … who cares about shields? Just forget it. Guardians have other much more important and awesome access to cool things. It’s probably by shield gets the shaft … don’t really need it to be good.

Arnath.2319:

The Revenant elite specialization Herald will become better stronger Guardians.

Plus there weapon, SHIELD, is everything we Guardians have been begging the devs the last three years for.

Envoy of Exuberance: Dragon energy cascades from the shield to protect and heal your allies, then comes back to you. As it’s a ground-targeted skill, you can position this one strategically to maximise its usefulness.

Crystal Hibernation: A crystal energy shield prevents damage after this skill has been channelled, and it also quickly tops up your health pool. Your character gains a defiance bar when this skill is used, and the risk of using it will need to be considered carefully.

For three years we have been begging the devs to rework shield (amongst other things -spirit weapons) and we consistently get ignored.

Now we receive the worst elite specialization (thus far) Dragon Hunter, with the worst skills in the game (Traps) with a Longbow that is weaker then Scepter and Virtues that are weaker then the current Virtues.

Anyone else regretting pre-purchasing Heart of Thorns?
Do the devs even read these forums?
Is all our feedback ignored?

(sorry for the rant but after three years i am beyond frustrated)

Don’t know about worst spec so far but some traits, vitures, projectile speed and backwards aiming definitely needs to be looked at. I feel Tempest is in a worst spot, traits need to be fixed, elites and auras (which are ok but I don’t like the concept of auramancer since it promotes passive play). Back on topic the Revenant shield shows Anet knows what a guardian needs in terms of a shield change but they choose to ignore it, perhaps due to lack of time, resources or interest. We don’t want cd reduction but a whole rework of shield skills.

Arnath.2319:

Do the devs even read these forums?
Is all our feedback ignored?

Someone read something sometimes but our feedback is 99% ignored.. they seems interested only when they ask for help (see tome).

Obtena.7952:

After three years of shield being mediocre and having now TWO very good offhand weapons … who cares about shields? Just forget it. Guardians have other much more important and awesome access to cool things. It’s probably by shield gets the shaft … don’t really need it to be good.

Pic very related.

Arnath.2319:

Now we receive the worst elite specialization (thus far) Dragon Hunter, with the worst skills in the game (Traps) with a Longbow that is weaker then Scepter and Virtues that are weaker then the current Virtues.

Reaper says hi. But seriously though, I feel your pain. Right now the only good use for the shield is as a buffer for reflecting wurm eggs. Shielding of Judgement is too slow and accomplishes basically the same thing as an ele swapping to earth attunement. Shield of Absorption… I imagine this has uses in PVP, but in PVE it is a horrible reflect that forces a self stun and knockback.

Yeah.. not like Guardians are spamming blocks all over the place or anything while Revenants are absolutely loaded on defensive utility and abilities.

Heh, I’m telling jokes.

Actualy Rawr the only guardians spamming blocks are the ones with shelter and focus. The rest of us dont really get blocks besides our F3 (Which sucks when we have traits left and right that are shoving on block effects down our throats and saying its a powerup)

One of the reasons I really like the fragments of Faith trap is it’s a great group effect but used solo you get a lot of blocks in rapid succession.

Nike.2631:

One of the reasons I really like the fragments of Faith trap is it’s a great group effect but used solo you get a lot of blocks in rapid succession.

O I forgot about that one since its new. But yeah same old tune. Bunch of blocks in one move. You got it or you don’t

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Yeah.. not like Guardians are spamming blocks all over the place or anything while Revenants are absolutely loaded on defensive utility and abilities.

Heh, I’m telling jokes.

The issue here is that the rev shield is the guardian shield done right.

The shield is the iconic weapon of guardians, yet the class has by far the worst shield skills in the game. They can’t even block with their shields, which is frankly ridiculous.

And now new class comes out with shield skills that not only look excellent but step right over the terrain of predilection of guardians with protection buffs, self-heals, a damage immune, etc.

Guardians are not the only class which has that kind of issue with revenant, but they seem to be the ones that keep getting stepped over by this new class, first by Ventari and Jalis (why the hell doesn’t guardian get taunt!?) and now by Glint because of her shield skills.

It also tells a lot about the need for a new class when most of its mechanics are those of another class but done right. Couldn’t they just improve the mechanics of other classes and not add a new class?

rbbthole.9074:

Arnath.2319:

Do the devs even read these forums?
Is all our feedback ignored?

Someone read something sometimes but our feedback is 99% ignored.. they seems interested only when they ask for help (see tome).

Obtena.7952:

After three years of shield being mediocre and having now TWO very good offhand weapons … who cares about shields? Just forget it. Guardians have other much more important and awesome access to cool things. It’s probably by shield gets the shaft … don’t really need it to be good.

Pic very related.

That’s funny but I don’t think I’m too far off the mark here … there isn’t actually a compelling argument to buff shield at this point. We have a great defensive option with Focus and with the upgrades to burning, a great offensive option with torch. If Anet isn’t ready to rethink what shield should do, any changes will fall short … again.

Obtena.7952:

After three years of shield being mediocre and having now TWO very good offhand weapons … who cares about shields? Just forget it. Guardians have other much more important and awesome access to cool things. It’s probably by shield gets the shaft … don’t really need it to be good.

But…like…our class symbol is a shield.

Yeah, I can’t say I’m thrilled atm as somebody who plays Guardian because I enjoy support. I’m looking at those skills and thinking, “wow…if only i had those shield skills my mace/shield would be an utterly amazing support combo”. Still lots to see and balance, but I’m starting to definitely give some thought that Rev might be better suited profession for support (especially in the healing area). Never know, but it seems that way right now.

Thing is we don’t need the Revenant shield skills per se, we just need better skills than we have. I’d like to see the new Resistance boon on our shield or a Taunt. I just want them to back up, look at the new tools and start fresh. If 5 stays a bubble, that bubble has to be SOLID, none of this strolling through it with a dodge roll. If it does something different look at the size of bubble Braham throws down when he uses his Shield 5.

Obtena.7952:

That’s funny but I don’t think I’m too far off the mark here … there isn’t actually a compelling argument to buff shield at this point. We have a great defensive option with Focus and with the upgrades to burning, a great offensive option with torch. If Anet isn’t ready to rethink what shield should do, any changes will fall short … again.

If you don’t like shield it’s your problem man but don’t be a “see previous pic”.. Your solution to something total useless is removing it from our mind? Are you drunk?
We have two decent off-hand, true, but why we can’t have 3 good off-hand? I see no reason on leaving shield in its state (or status? O.o), it can become a second offensive good choice or a second defensive good choice..

ps: kitten boy! your way to be passive to arenanet’s trash choice make me totally mad, we are the SHIELD, don’t you remember the “I’ll guard you. Let them come through ME first!”?
pps: my english really sucks i know…

drgast.1469:

Yeah, I can’t say I’m thrilled atm as somebody who plays Guardian because I enjoy support. I’m looking at those skills and thinking, “wow…if only i had those shield skills my mace/shield would be an utterly amazing support combo”. Still lots to see and balance, but I’m starting to definitely give some thought that Rev might be better suited profession for support (especially in the healing area). Never know, but it seems that way right now.

Agree! I picked guard up for support and watching the more Rev gets the more I got a bit of a stick in my craw.

The shield looks soooo good. I love using shield as a weap. It just makes sense as a guard to use one but the second I put mine on it’s like . . . “Focus I miss you ;_; what is wrong with this crappy thing?!” And toss.

I already found it a lot easier without Glint doing duo dungeon as a support / dps. I can’t imagine how much more Glint will bring to the table.

rbbthole.9074:

Obtena.7952:

That’s funny but I don’t think I’m too far off the mark here … there isn’t actually a compelling argument to buff shield at this point. We have a great defensive option with Focus and with the upgrades to burning, a great offensive option with torch. If Anet isn’t ready to rethink what shield should do, any changes will fall short … again.

If you don’t like shield it’s your problem man but don’t be a “see previous pic”.. Your solution to something total useless is removing it from our mind? Are you drunk?

No, I’m just realistic. If I was a dev, I would put as little time into dealing with the ‘shield problem’ as possible because to be frank, I don’t really see a place for 3 off hands AND being able to make them all balanced, delivering something different between each.

I recomend you guys this video:

And remember, its us against them.

Obtena.7952:

rbbthole.9074:

Obtena.7952:

That’s funny but I don’t think I’m too far off the mark here … there isn’t actually a compelling argument to buff shield at this point. We have a great defensive option with Focus and with the upgrades to burning, a great offensive option with torch. If Anet isn’t ready to rethink what shield should do, any changes will fall short … again.

If you don’t like shield it’s your problem man but don’t be a “see previous pic”.. Your solution to something total useless is removing it from our mind? Are you drunk?

No, I’m just realistic. If I was a dev, I would put as little time into dealing with the ‘shield problem’ as possible because to be frank, I don’t really see a place for 3 off hands AND being able to make them all balanced, delivering something different between each.

I kinda lol’d. It’s not the aspect of one singular player using 3 offhands. It’s for the players who don’t wish to use the current 2 that are working but don’t have a choice because the one they like isn’t feasible.

Being a developer is about producing products that make customers happy without breaking the concept of what your business or said product (game) is about. So pardon if this is rude but I am glad that you’re not a dev. xD

You can convince yourself of whatever reasoning you like. The current state of things and how it’s gotten there over the last 3 years is what drives mine. What drive yours? Fantasies about how Shield is THE symbolic Guardian weapon? Some appeal to players who just don’t want to use the 2 better offhands because they don’t want to?

If devs do something with Shield, it’s neither of those things that will compel them to do so.

Arnath, you finally can feel how the necromancers feel from the release of the informations on the Revenant’s Legendary Demon Stance, that is a perfect example of how we always asked to make the Necromancer.
They simply take our ideas and ised it to make the Revenant!

Now that the revenant sheld is finally like what you’ve always asked for, you can feel how we feel.

Welcom in the ANet player comunity, guy!