I’m a good guardian, I have champion paragon from many solo queues and going solo on team arena, but I just can’t seem to win against d/d eles, how is it done?
its the only hard counter. sorry, I’ve never killed a good ele like phanta once.
Like above, you won’t beat one 1v1 unless they are awful.
Low yield nukes work – something along the likes of a B-61.
Seriously though. I wouldn’t say you won’t. Practice makes perfect. Has nothing to do with the other being awful.
Low yield nukes work – something along the likes of a B-61.
Seriously though. I wouldn’t say you won’t. Practice makes perfect. Has nothing to do with the other being awful.
i promise its impossible.
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and child’s play I don’t care for). It’s possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s possible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
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Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have. but its seriously funny because I count how many drakes breaths, burnign speeds, ring of fires, earth dodges, earthquakes an ele will land and the total is usually… 0 or 1 and Im still 100-0’d
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Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele
Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele
Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.
what would you use then? hammer? sw/sc?
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele
Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.
what would you use then? hammer? sw/sc?
So far my best setup I’ve had against d/d eles has been sword/f and scepter/t. Hammer is a bit iffy, since they generally have stab and some type of invulnerability. I’d still run it over GS though, In my view, GS is just too predictable in pvp.
Only problem with sword/f and scepter/t is that it’s not as useful in team fights. Since both weapons are primary high single target damage, and they really don’t bring any utilities beside an immobilize.
Mace/torch is another one that a lot of people don’t realize it’s one of our highest burst potential setups.
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Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele
Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.
what would you use then? hammer? sw/sc?
So far my best setup I’ve had against d/d eles has been sword/f and scepter/t. Hammer is a bit iffy, since they generally have stab and some type of invulnerability. I’d still run it over GS though, In my view, GS is just too predictable in pvp.
Only problem with sword/f and scepter/t is that it’s not as useful in team fights. Since both weapons are primary high single target damage, and they really don’t bring any utilities beside an immobilize.
Mace/torch is another one that a lot of people don’t realize it’s one of our highest burst potential setups.
well tbh you use GS when you know youre going to land skills. the good thing about guardian is that the autos hit so hard you can just use them until the enemy burns a dodge or wastes a stunbreak for some reason and then you can easily BB him. either way I assume you run something like 0 6 6 1 1 ?
Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.
unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.
I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.
“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.
tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have
Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.
but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele
Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.
what would you use then? hammer? sw/sc?
So far my best setup I’ve had against d/d eles has been sword/f and scepter/t. Hammer is a bit iffy, since they generally have stab and some type of invulnerability. I’d still run it over GS though, In my view, GS is just too predictable in pvp.
Only problem with sword/f and scepter/t is that it’s not as useful in team fights. Since both weapons are primary high single target damage, and they really don’t bring any utilities beside an immobilize.
Mace/torch is another one that a lot of people don’t realize it’s one of our highest burst potential setups.
well tbh you use GS when you know youre going to land skills. the good thing about guardian is that the autos hit so hard you can just use them until the enemy burns a dodge or wastes a stunbreak for some reason and then you can easily BB him. either way I assume you run something like 0 6 6 1 1 ?
2/6/6/0/0 for maximum damage output, you have to apply as much dps and pressure as possible in a short window of time. You have to constantly be keeping the ele on the defensive and kill them as fast as possible. The longer the fight drags out the higher chance you have of losing.
So yeah, I’m not going to lie, d/d is a very hard matchup for Guard. Most of the time you’ll probably lose, but it’s not impossible.
They are a bit over the top atm.
They do not like being immobilised and scepter is a nice weapon against them but I a, not sure if you can 1v1 one without some mistakes on their part.
Why isn’t the profession balance forum flooding with Guards demanding Ele nerfs?
Are people playing Guards just so cool?
Why isn’t the profession balance forum flooding with Guards demanding Ele nerfs?
Are people playing Guards just so cool?
I think most players understand the sometimes your class just has soft/hard counters. For Guards this happens to be d/d ele (other eles really aren’t a problem), and also Engie is a huge pain. Take Thief for example, they pretty much get destroyed by Guard. Does this mean Guards need a nerf? No of course not, same goes for Necro destroying Engie.
However with all the being said I really wouldn’t put all the blame on d/d, it’s the Celestial ammy and might stacking. They’re the really culprits on why d/d is so strong atm.
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@Harbinger, any chance you could look over the build I use to try and defeat them at the moment? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR7dl0ApcoVDxbI8DNR8QZ1IUdAMBP61/QQkDA-TZBHwAFeAAAuIAIOCANLDse/BA
I have thought about trying sigil of doom but they just remove poison ridiculously fast
The reason I’m asking is because I have a couple in my guild that it’s ridiculously hard to win against. I can beat them sometimes but they win most of the fights against me :/
Have you tried giving Searing Flames a shot?
@Harbinger, any chance you could look over the build I use to try and defeat them at the moment? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR7dl0ApcoVDxbI8DNR8QZ1IUdAMBP61/QQkDA-TZBHwAFeAAAuIAIOCANLDse/BA
I have thought about trying sigil of doom but they just remove poison ridiculously fast
The reason I’m asking is because I have a couple in my guild that it’s ridiculously hard to win against. I can beat them sometimes but they win most of the fights against me :/
6/x/6/x/x builds are kind of funky. They have extremely high burst, however I believe and I might be wrong on this, but x/6/6/x/x is generally higher damage output.
If you want to go 6/x/6/x/x I’d recommend a Bind Jeopardy build. This requires hammer and scepter/x. If you play your immobilizes right, your target will have 13 stacks of vulnerability, that’s not even counting the vulnerability from your symbols or blinds if your deicide to go 6/2/6/0/0. Then you factor in the other multipliers such as; Fiery Wrath, Scepter Power, and Symbolic Power. It hits like a truck, however the build isn’t easy to play. You really have to know Guardian and when to use your skill properly.
However, I digress, let me talk about the build you posted. I’d drop Amplified Wrath for Zealous Blade since you’re going GS. Direct damage multiplier is better in this situation. Also I’d op for Shelter over SoR. Lastly leeching isn’t going to do much for the build. Better off going Fire, Air, or even another Nullification to help with d/d ele’s many boons.
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Here is the real problem lies there ,,Signet of Restoration,, imagine this battle you a guardian vs an ele you give it all you got med skills, virtue even invulne for another round of virtue you get him to 30% here is getting odd they run and dam they can run and each skill that they use is healing them popping bons on each 300 returning to you with 80% hp all 24 skills are ready to use and 5-6 bons up with 6 stacks of might, you on the other hand almost all skills on cooldown (we have rly big ones) and you think how the heck do i deal with him now,
-run ? (with what dont have escape skills)
-fight ?( having the med skills on cooldown virtue’s on 30 sec each)+they heal on each skill use you don’t
-play with him? waiting for help that never arrived most of the time on the opposite more come to fight you and i’m sure all of them will go long range on you
I run a hybrid condi/burst boonstrip build against eles that seems to work really we’ll, the high burn ticks and poison negate there healing and the boon strip takes care of there might stacks reducing there damage quite abit, you can keep burn up 80% of the time and are able to setup nice bursts while still having sustain, it’s still a hard long fight, but, I have won quite a few and also lost quite a few, they are our anti-class as are engineers, but that’s just how it is
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In a 1v1 against a d/d ele, I find it’s best to go all in. The standard 2/6/6/0/0 sw/f sc/t build has given me the best results. Searing flames can be useful if the boon removal gods smite might. That trait really could use a buff (2 every 10s or 1 every 5s) but I digress.
It really helps if you can land SoW. Generally it’s easy enough to dodge being so telegraphed though. If you use chains of light with judge’s intervention it can dramatically increase your chances. Drop a smite at your feet and AA with sword along with air/fire sigils after. Like mentioned above, the longer the fight goes on the less chance you have of winning.
You can also preload torch #4 for extra burning (10% damage on fiery wrath) and good damage and more burning on throw. Sigil of Rage on sc/t helps to get more smites in, along with more sword AA after you swap.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQRAsd7flsApaolDxbI8DNR8gY9oWbqKw1/CmD-TpBEwATOCAGOBA52fAwBBIbZACPAAA
90% crit chance with fury and right hand strength. Near perma fury, ~50% swiftness and 30% damage multipliers. It’s the truest sense of high risk/high reward. Lay off pressure for a second, especially in a team fight, and you’ll get rolled.
Not impossible but I usually play condition guard but the specs are similar 6 2 6 I always have doom sigil. You shouldn’t take unrestorable damage from him his burst is well telegraphed and you have good defense on both.
Play smart instead of “quick bursting” I have seen guardians winning.
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I’ll agree with the sword/focus + pressure. You basically have to stay on top of them just like you would a Mesmer. I’ve also had good success with scepter/focus. Great CC with the scepter.
Hammer in my opinion is too slow. Also you are not going to outlast them which is beyond stupid but that lies with arena nets balance team or lack thereof.
When their health is low, this is where someone in your party needs to interrupt.
Problem with Ele atm is there is not a lot of counterplay. They seem to be the machine gun to everyone elses Rock, Paper, Scissors.
When their health is low, this is where someone in your party needs to interrupt.
Problem with Ele atm is there is not a lot of counterplay. They seem to be the machine gun to everyone elses Rock, Paper, Scissors.
well said.
May sound like a joke but I’ve had great success against D/D using my Spirit/Condi build. (Yeah it sounds like im trolling but im serious) its constant damage and it forces them into wasting all their condi removal and water attunment constantly, throws their chain off. It’ll wear them down
May sound like a joke but I’ve had great success against D/D using my Spirit/Condi build. (Yeah it sounds like im trolling but im serious) its constant damage and it forces them into wasting all their condi removal and water attunment constantly, throws their chain off. It’ll wear them down
I’d believe that. Spirit Weapons are actually very good in 1v1 situations, I’d go as far to say they are even better then meds depending on the situation. However, Spirits are subpar in every other area, so nobody really considers them viable.
Does anything counter these things with any class? It seems to be the most absurd thing I’ve seen in this game, and that’s sorta bad.
it’s the Celestial ammy and might stacking. They’re the really culprits on why d/d is so strong atm.
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Does anything counter these things with any class? It seems to be the most absurd thing I’ve seen in this game, and that’s sorta bad.
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