Guild Wars 2

For Virtue of Justice, I read this on the wiki:

“Burns every fifth hit, allowing skills that hit multiple times to trigger burning more rapidly. AOE skills that hit multiple targets at once only count as one hit.”

But this isn’t clear to me. In fact, one sentence seems to contradict the other. So for Whirling Wrath, for example, it hits multiple times. Against a single target, will it trigger more than once? The first sentence (above) seems to say yes.

But what if you use WW against two or more targets? It seems like it would still trigger multiple times on each target, but the second sentence seems to suggest it won’t. If not, what really happens?

And as far as Virtue of Resolve, what does it really heal for? Currently, at level 26, mine says something like “Healing: 27,” but I can’t imagine it only heals for that much, when my health is around 1500 or something. It seems useless to put it on a 60 second cooldown for that!

Thanks!

As far as Virtue of Justice goes, regardless of who/what every fifth attack hits, every fifth attack will proc the burn. For example:

One target.
You use Zealot’s Defense, which is 8 projectiles.
The fifth projectile procs burning.
Your last three projectiles go off, and then you auto-attack twice, which procs burning.

Three different targets.
Your first three attacks hit target one.
Your fourth attack hits target two
Your fifth attack hits target three. Your third target gets burned.

Assume five targets.
You use an attack that spins five times and hits all nearby targets.
On a full spin, you hit all five targets, so your fifth hit procs the burn.
If you hit every target every spin, that’s 25 ticks of damage.
25 ticks of damage = 5 procs.

You only get one proc every 5 attacks regardless of how many targets there are. It’ll just proc a lot more often if you’re AoEing.

The number displayed on Virtue of Resolve’s tool-tip is the passive tick (called Rejuvenation), not the on-use heal.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Assume five targets.
You use an attack that spins five times and hits all nearby targets.
On a full spin, you hit all five targets, so your fifth hit procs the burn.
If you hit every target every spin, that’s 25 ticks of damage.
25 ticks of damage = 5 procs.

I’m still confused. Let’s use Whirling Wrath as an example. Here’s the description from the wiki:

Spin in place and swing your greatsword while hurling powerful projectiles.
Damage (9x): 1,251
Combo Finisher: Whirl
Range: 600

So let’s just assume that WW hits 9 times (even though a note below the description seems to say otherwise). If you are surrounded by 5 targets and you use WW, what happens? Do they each get hit 9 times? Or does each target take a hit, so that the 5 targets each get hit once, and then the first 4 targets each get hit again, totaling 9 hits?

If the former, then seems to suggest that (assuming you apply burning on your first hit), you will apply burning on the first hit and the sixth hit to ALL 5 targets. If the latter, then it seems to mean you apply burning on the first target to get hit, and then to the second target once it gets hit for a second time (which would be your sixth total hit).

Does this make sense? Are either of these correct?

WW deals damage in a circle 3 times PLUS 3 projectiles per spin, so it’s actually 12 hits on a single target.

If you’re surrounded by 5 targets, you will land a total of 24 hits (15 spin ticks + 9 projectiles). VoJ will proc on every 5th attack, so it’ll proc 4 times over the course of a 5-target WW, assuming all projectiles land. Only the four targets that got hit by the procs will suffer the burning, whether it’s the same target every time or different targets.

For clarification, the projectiles hit only one target each. And if you hit one target four times, but your fifth attack (whatever it may be) hits a second target instead, the second target is the one that gets burned.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

WW deals damage in a circle 3 times PLUS 3 projectiles per spin, so it’s actually 12 hits on a single target.

If you’re surrounded by 5 targets, you will land a total of 24 hits (15 spin ticks + 9 projectiles). VoJ will proc on every 5th attack, so it’ll proc 4 times over the course of a 5-target WW, assuming all projectiles land. Only the four targets that got hit by the procs will suffer the burning, whether it’s the same target every time or different targets.

For clarification, the projectiles hit only one target each. And if you hit one target four times, but your fifth attack (whatever it may be) hits a second target instead, the second target is the one that gets burned.

I guess part (or all) of my confusion stems from not understanding the underlying system of “hits” and “ticks” and all that. Where did you get 12 hits from? And 15 “spin ticks”? And 24 total hits? So however many total “hits” (or whatever the proper word would be) you do in the course of a single WW attack, is it correct that all the targets are not hit with each hit, but rather the hits are distributed across all the targets? So a single target gets hit 24(?) times, but 5 targets each get hit only about 4-5 times?

Let me try to put it this way…

WW causes you to spin 3 times. Each spin is capable of hitting every target around you. If it hits five targets all three times, that is 15 attacks.

WW also fires 9 projectiles over the course of the 3 spins. Assuming these 9 projectiles all land, that is another 9 attacks. This totals up to 24 attacks when using WW against 5 targets.

You are correct to assume that none of the targets are hit 24 times by themselves. Each target is hit 3 times by the spins, and then each projectile hits a random target. So yes, each target is getting hit only 4-5 times on average, and only four VoJ procs will occur over the course of the WW against 5 targets.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Let me try to put it this way…

WW causes you to spin 3 times. Each spin is capable of hitting every target around you. If it hits five targets all three times, that is 15 attacks.

WW also fires 9 projectiles over the course of the 3 spins. Assuming these 9 projectiles all land, that is another 9 attacks. This totals up to 24 attacks when using WW against 5 targets.

You are correct to assume that none of the targets are hit 24 times by themselves. Each target is hit 3 times by the spins, and then each projectile hits a random target. So yes, each target is getting hit only 4-5 times on average, and only four VoJ procs will occur over the course of the WW against 5 targets.

How does that square with this from the wiki:

“The spin hits 7 times and throws 7 projectiles, for a total of 14 possible hits on a single target. Damage listed appears to be for all 7 spinning hits and 2 projectiles.”

One spin? Three spins that each hit 7 times? 7 projectiles total, or for each spin? It’s just so confusing.

That is a little confusing…because the character clearly only spins three times.

I give up. I’ve explained how the VoJ proc mechanic works to the best of my ability.

From my experience, Virtue of Justice applies to your primary target, or your closest target that was struck by the corresponding.
Things like AoE and multi-hit attacks, or multi-target attacks have little to do with it.

Could be wrong, I haven’t broken it down into a science.

Virtue of Resolve active heals for 1625 + 75% of your healing power. If you’ve put atleast 5 points into the Virtues trait line, it also gives you a few second of regeneration.

The virtue itself only shows how much the passive heals per second.