[PvP] How to buff Condi DH & Spirit Weapons

[PvP] How to buff Condi DH & Spirit Weapons

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

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I’m not a huge fan of Spirit Weapons or any AI utility item but, they can be buffed in a way that isn’t cancerous or “non-skillful” in style.

  • Spirit weapons in general have terrible strafing movements when following a target. When they attack, the animation takes half a second, missing the target completely. This should be addressed because if you increase Spirit Weapon’s damages by 50% and it looks OP on paper… it isn’t.. because they can’t hit anyone for it to count.
  • The sSword activation skill roots the Sword in place. It does little to no damage for such a poor skill. I rather it be on a 5sec icd, have the sword recover from the root faster, and lower its damages in compensation. Give DH a higher apm when it comes to activating certain abilities because micro-managing abilities takes skill to do efficiently.
  • sHammer activation is ‘ok’ but just like the sword, I like there to be a lower cd activation while lowering its damages in compensation.

Lastly, the healing Spirit weapons receive from allies (from the Guardian specifically) needs to be increased by 40% so they don’t get 1 shot.

Buffing Condi DH Tree
Defender’s Dogma trait needs a Stack Effect similar to Rev’s Enchanted Daggers. If F1 is already charged, receiving a charge via block consumes it completely, essentially not giving any burn stacks at all. It’s either a glitch or a counter intuitive design flaw that does nothing for condi guard in DH tree.

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Posted by: phokus.8934

phokus.8934

What game mode are we talking about?

For PvP, they’d still be completely useless.

I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.

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Posted by: Xaylin.1860

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Buffing Condi DH Tree
Defender’s Dogma trait needs a Stack Effect similar to Rev’s Enchanted Daggers. If F1 is already charged, receiving a charge via block consumes it completely, essentially not giving any burn stacks at all. It’s either a glitch or a counter intuitive design flaw that does nothing for condi guard in DH tree.

Isn’t it like arguing that, for example, Selfless Daring is pointless when at full health?

While I get your point, I personally think Defenders Dogma is fine. It helps with slower weapons and synergizes with Aegis. Letting it stack burns could cause major issues with stuff like Shelter unless you are duelling and will most likely cause it to get a cooldown.

Since they removed Bleeding from DH during the BWs DH isn’t much about conditions anymore to begin with. You can get those traits in Radiance and Virtues. Plus, your suggestion poops on Amplified Wrath which should be way better than Defenders Dogma. But it isn’t.

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Posted by: otto.5684

otto.5684

Saiyan suggestions are good.

Couple of suggestions for PvE:
Since torch 5 was buffed, it is pretty good for condi build. It is still weaker than AA for power builds. The power damage can be lowered and add burn to the skill. If it scales well with condi damage would be a great addition.

Purging Flames, base CD from 35 to 30 (24 instead of 28 traited).

As for PvP I think it is a hopeless cause. The damage is there and it works, but the survivability is not. The condi build does not work well with DH line and Valor is required in any PvP build. The condi build requires Virtues and Radiance. If we could use Wings of Resolve and Shield of Courage without DH line, (virtues + radiance + valor) condi build will definitely work. Unfortunately that wont happen

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

Speaking of PvP

Buffing Condi DH Tree
Defender’s Dogma trait needs a Stack Effect similar to Rev’s Enchanted Daggers. If F1 is already charged, receiving a charge via block consumes it completely, essentially not giving any burn stacks at all. It’s either a glitch or a counter intuitive design flaw that does nothing for condi guard in DH tree.

Isn’t it like arguing that, for example, Selfless Daring is pointless when at full health?

Warrior’s healing signet is pointless at full health. Not sure what you’re getting at.

While I get your point, I personally think Defenders Dogma is fine. It helps with slower weapons and synergizes with Aegis. Letting it stack burns could cause major issues with stuff like Shelter unless you are duelling and will most likely cause it to get a cooldown.

Defender’s dogma is terrible in every sense of the word. It simply does not raise your DPS at all and is counter intuitive. It can be deleted and DH Condi build’s (there isn’t one) performance would remain unaltered.

Since they removed Bleeding from DH during the BWs DH isn’t much about conditions anymore to begin with. You can get those traits in Radiance and Virtues. Plus, your suggestion poops on Amplified Wrath which should be way better than Defenders Dogma. But it isn’t.

The reason core Burn Burst poops on DH equivalent builds is because there’s nothing in the DH tree to complement burns at all. Condi Guard benefits from only sustains in the DH tree and with a 900p/900v/1200c amulet (carrion), we don’t need more sustains.

A theoretical 3 burn stack on Dogma will fill (hopefully) the condi dps that’s missing in DH tree if one were to go Virt/Val/DH or even more bursty with Virt/Radi/DH. It’s equivocal to comparing Core Power vs DH Power builds. It just makes sense.

Since we’re on the diversity topic, similar changes should happen for Bunker DH too.

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Posted by: Xaylin.1860

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Isn’t it like arguing that, for example, Selfless Daring is pointless when at full health?

Warrior’s healing signet is pointless at full health. Not sure what you’re getting at.

You are complaining about Defenders Dogma not doing anything if you’re at full charge. That’s a situation it’s not supposed to do anything. I just offered a different example where this is the case to illustrate why your request isn’t reasonable.

Defender’s dogma is terrible in every sense of the word. It simply does not raise your DPS at all and is counter intuitive. It can be deleted and DH Condi build’s (there isn’t one) performance would remain unaltered.

I disagree. It’s not. It can raise your DPS. It’s just not as easy to use as you would like it to be. That doesn’t make it counter intuitive. And as I said: When HoT was released DH no longer offered much for condition builds offensive-wise. It’s a design decision. Therefore, expecting the traitline provide anything good for offense to condition builds doesn’t make much sense.

Since they removed Bleeding from DH during the BWs DH isn’t much about conditions anymore to begin with. You can get those traits in Radiance and Virtues. Plus, your suggestion poops on Amplified Wrath which should be way better than Defenders Dogma. But it isn’t.

The reason core Burn Burst poops on DH equivalent builds is because there’s nothing in the DH tree to complement burns at all.

You didn’t read it right.

Your suggestion for Defenders Dogma would poop on Amplified Wrath. Not the other way around. And yeah, there is not much to compliment condition builds in DH. Because, as I already said, DH isn’t supposed to be especially good at conditions. That’s just your expectation.

Condi Guard benefits from only sustains in the DH tree and with a 900p/900v/1200c amulet (carrion), we don’t need more sustains.

Again: You want DH to be something it isn’t. If you don’t need it, don’t pick it.

If I had to guess – without wanting to suggest anything – you are just looking to get DH Virtues which is understandable. But that’s what trade offs are about. You sometimes can’t have it all.

Since we’re on the diversity topic, similar changes should happen for Bunker DH too.

DH isn’t equivalent to Guardian. DH is an elite specialization. Guardian is the class. Which means you can’t expect every type of playstyle or role do work equally well with DH. You can wish for it, sure. But you can’t expect it.

My point of view: If ANet were to improve condi Guardian it should happen in Radiance because this traitline really needs some work. Your suggestion DEVALUES Amplified Wrath even though its already underperforming. Not as much as Radiant Retaliation. But let’s not talk about that disaster.

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Posted by: Pregnantman.8259

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Defender’s dogma works quite well with range builds imo, especially if its a single target I am against. Helps a lot to keep cripple and burn for the damage bonuses.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

Saiyan.1704

You are complaining about Defenders Dogma not doing anything if you’re at full charge.

That’s not my complaint. My complaint is that Defender’s Dogma is negligible for what it’s meant to do. It all comes downs to build diversity so i’m not sure why you’re oppose to it.

When HoT was released DH no longer offered much for condition builds offensive-wise. It’s a design decision. Therefore, expecting the traitline provide anything good for offense to condition builds doesn’t make much sense.

Pigeonhole everyone in using just 1 build is a terrible design decision. If you’re fine with their design decisions then that’s your opinion and I wont continue on with this conversation but i’ll just assume you’d want build diversity like the rest of the community.

I’m not in disagreement that we shouldn’t buff Core trait lines; there’s a lot of core items that needs buffing. For Burn Guardian though, Radiance isn’t something that should be looked at – it’s what’s lacking in the other treelines that does poorly in supporting what’s already there in Radiance & Virtues.

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