Guild Wars 2

I have 3k armor with shield and sword equipped and I’m being hit for 1.5 – 2.5k a tick by normal karka mobs and the drakes. WTF?!?! This doesn’t make the game fun or a challenge. Unless they release new gear or something to combat of dmg, I’m not going to be participating in new content. It’s bad enough Guard dps is wet noodle. The one thing we had going is toughness now that’s being shred to bits.

Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

Kita.7819:

Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

PVP is much different then PVE.

Good luck fighting the ones that steal our boons lol. Hammer and shouts are worthless against those mobs xD

Yeah the new drakes bleed something shocking, i have over 3400 armor when using a shield and over 3200 when using a GS etc. I attacked a drake and it landed a 3 stack bleed on me and my HP just went way down so fast.

Time for a Vit/Power/Prec (i used knights in PvE) set i recon.

Armor/Toughness means nothing to conditions, just going to put that out there. That said, the new area does hit something fierce.

boxjon.7682:

Kita.7819:

Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

PVP is much different then PVE.

Not really. It still plays the same way.

You guys also need to realize, this is a level 80 zone. The enemies here are just as strong as those in the Cursed Shore.

Stop being cheap and get your soldier runes up.
Should build is viable enough if you don’t use spirit weapons instead.

As for armor… so what would other light and medium armor classes will say?
they don’t even have half of our defensive utilities and skills, just learn to adapt and get over it.

Horheristo.3607:

Stop being cheap and get your soldier runes up.
Should build is viable enough if you don’t use spirit weapons instead.

As for armor… so what would other light and medium armor classes will say?
they don’t even have half of our defensive utilities and skills, just learn to adapt and get over it.

I have similar stats to the ones posted above. So your cheap crack is misplaced. As for Cursed Shore, That’s bullkitten, mobs in the Cursed Shore only tick me for 500- SOMETIMES 800 per tick and it’s not a constant channel of ticks. Do you even play this game?

MajorMelchett.6042:

Yeah the new drakes bleed something shocking, i have over 3400 armor when using a shield and over 3200 when using a GS etc. I attacked a drake and it landed a 3 stack bleed on me and my HP just went way down so fast.

Time for a Vit/Power/Prec (i used knights in PvE) set i recon.

Or just don’t go to Southsun Cove. Problem solved. There’s nothing there anyway.

boxjon.7682:

Horheristo.3607:

Stop being cheap and get your soldier runes up.
Should build is viable enough if you don’t use spirit weapons instead.

As for armor… so what would other light and medium armor classes will say?
they don’t even have half of our defensive utilities and skills, just learn to adapt and get over it.

I have similar stats to the ones posted above. So your cheap crack is misplaced. As for Cursed Shore, That’s bullkitten, mobs in the Cursed Shore only tick me for 500- SOMETIMES 800 per tick and it’s not a constant channel of ticks. Do you even play this game?

Good, then what is the fuss all about again?

I use GS and hammer (AH build) and I did not have problem… I had to dodge more and keep an eye on mob’s attack animation. I think it is a good thing. At least I was not bored like in Cursed Shore where I could kill mobs “with my eyes closed”. On this new map, I just have to stay alert, so as to say. I like it.

If you cant survive, sorry to say, but you have to learn to play better.

The smaller karkan have a channeled barrage-type ability that ticks for the numbers you’re complaining about. Dodge/block/bind it, and then kill the mob.

Tackling the veterans by yourself is supposed to be a challenge, but it’s easily doable.

dodge or block the attacks. cleanse the conditions problem solved. I like that this new content requires you to pay attention and not just go through a rotation while you’re half asleep from boredom.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

The smaller karkan have a channeled barrage-type ability that ticks for the numbers you’re complaining about. Dodge/block/bind it, and then kill the mob.

or just use Wall of Reflection and have them kill themselves by 50%

To be honest, after sleepwalking through the rest of the PvE content, I find the Karkan a refreshing challenge.
I have clerics gear though, so this is one of the few cases where a bit of extra healing helps to counter the condition damage.
Keep dodging, use weapons which supply good amounts of blind and block and slot skills for condition removal, break stun and stability. ( speccing into virtues helps )

As Kasei said, Wall of Reflection is probably our most valuable tool for dealing with the new area. The Karka have a predictable attack pattern – toss down a wall a few seconds into the fight and watch them tear themselves down. If you’re using the 1h Sword, a Flashing Blade/Zealot’s Defense combo also works to negate the spike very nicely (with proper timing, of course). WoR is really the big one, though – I can easily fight 3-4 Karka simultaneously thanks to it. What’s more, I can typically kill them more quickly than I can normal mobs, since they’re each doing 10000+ damage to themselves at the start of each fight.

Veterans are trickier, but Staff is nice for safely interrupting their initial charge with Line of Warding. After the charge, get ready to put down WoR again and smile to yourself as you watch the 4k crits fly. And, of course, keep your stun breaks handy – if you’ve got room for it on your bar, Stand Your Ground is a great choice here.

Nothing is more satisfying than just barely jump-dodging a rolling karka that has already flattened 40 people

Kita.7819

Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

piggybacking off thieves and thief damage and then promoting the idea those were 1v1s is very misleading

Kita.7819:

Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

Next time might want to spend less time fighting in the middle getting killing blows and actually win the game.

Just saying.

Kita.7819:

Guardians can’t dps? You don’t say…

I’m confused, how does this show you can dps? You have no numbers or anything there, if you are talking about the amount of kills, that is kind of low :/

Wall Of Reflection is working wonders, once they start channeling, they are down to like 25% and I can finish them easy.

kaffaljidhma.1496:

Nothing is more satisfying than just barely jump-dodging a rolling karka that has already flattened 40 people

In fact, even if I fail to dodge, karka rolls generally aren’t enough to bring my guardian down.

MajorMelchett.6042:

Yeah the new drakes bleed something shocking, i have over 3400 armor when using a shield and over 3200 when using a GS etc. I attacked a drake and it landed a 3 stack bleed on me and my HP just went way down so fast.

Time for a Vit/Power/Prec (i used knights in PvE) set i recon.

You could use soldier runes.

Are you trying to solo a champion karka or something? I can usually take on 3-4 with no problems. They just have a bit more health than the average mob is all, which makes them harder to kill.

The reef riders also have way too much health.

First experiences with the Karka and Drakes can be a nightmare. I later found out that simply double dodging their initial barrage is all you have to do and they’ll die while barely scratching you. The Drakes you need to be able to remove those conditions or you’re doomed. Soldier Rune or Meditations and you’re set.

My thoughts on the mob on the isle:

Karka (young and normal)→ WoR them to death.
Karka Veteran → Avoid Charge, WoR, AoE like there’s no tomorrow. Retribution is your best friend (along with AH).
Karka Champion → Good Luck! (never survived the combination Double Jump + Steam Roll).
Reef Riders → You can WoR to have them whittle down their health, the veteran one will toast you anyway, i always avoid it.
Drakes → They’re Broken. HORRIBLY Broken. AoE that ticks for 1/4 of your life, than you avoid it and they PULL and STUN. In the AOE! Oh if you are not already stunned by their 360° tail slap that hits HORRIBLY FAR, they have a rubber tail or what? Oh they have a few life but can be beaten easily… now… let’s talk about the veteran or champion one (good luck).

As someone said, they steal your boons, so Hammer (my favorite weapon) is really bad..
Shouts work, but i suggest Contemplation of Purity/Wall of Reflection/Retreat to safely navigate the isle.

If I remembered, the Drake condition does damage when you activate a skill and will do more if you’re heavily stacked. When we took down the brood mother, I almost managed to kill myself by pressing one button because I forgot to cure my condition.

boxjon.7682:

I have 3k armor with shield and sword equipped and I’m being hit for 1.5 – 2.5k a tick by normal karka mobs and the drakes. WTF?!?! This doesn’t make the game fun or a challenge. Unless they release new gear or something to combat of dmg, I’m not going to be participating in new content. It’s bad enough Guard dps is wet noodle. The one thing we had going is toughness now that’s being shred to bits.

3.4k armor being it by 2.5k+, yes finnaly guardians have a challange in pve.

I’ll be honest. I’m lvl 30 and didn’t have many problems with the Karka or Drakes. Up leveled to 80 but i’m wearing greens and blues and barely traited. But it’s not about mitigating with armor, it’s about avoiding damage with blocks and blinds and dodges. If I made a mistake I got hosed, obviously. But if I kept my def skills up and whacked away I could easily beat em down. You can’t rely on your toughness alone.

The first time I had to fight a squad of 4 small kraka i got pasted and then the second and 3rd time but I finally got my revenge on the 4th. I’d rather fight the lager ones any day. Lots of blocking, dodging required it’s all timing. Those projectile attacks are designed to chew through armor and large amounts of HP. It was an interesting wake up call.

This by kisangyal.1796 “I use GS and hammer (AH build) and I did not have problem… I had to dodge more and keep an eye on mob’s attack animation. I think it is a good thing. At least I was not bored like in Cursed Shore where I could kill mobs “with my eyes closed”. On this new map, I just have to stay alert, so as to say. I like it.”

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This by Tarsius.3170 “To be honest, after sleepwalking through the rest of the PvE content, I find the Karkan a refreshing challenge.”

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This by kaffaljidhma.1496 “Nothing is more satisfying than just barely jump-dodging a rolling karka that has already flattened 40 people”

I’m Glad they didn’t make the zone a cake walk, you have to pay attention to your surroundings and the immediate fight at hand, auto attack isn’t going to cut it here and I’m glad.

before you complain about guardians on the Southsun Cove: I had much less trouble there with my lvl 18 upscaled guardian than with my lvl 80 exotic equipped elementalist.

Naryoril.6507:

before you complain about guardians on the Southsun Cove: I had much less trouble there with my lvl 18 upscaled guardian than with my lvl 80 exotic equipped elementalist.

This is the kind of comment that leads me to believe there is something…not quite right about the scaling system. It’s had my attention for awhile, but I haven’t really discussed it yet. I have a guardian and a ranger at 80 and I have noticed on both that in some areas at certain level scales, they felt weaker at 80 in full exotics than they were when they were the appropriate level wearing the appropriate gear.

Kaii.5149:

Naryoril.6507:

before you complain about guardians on the Southsun Cove: I had much less trouble there with my lvl 18 upscaled guardian than with my lvl 80 exotic equipped elementalist.

This is the kind of comment that leads me to believe there is something…not quite right about the scaling system. It’s had my attention for awhile, but I haven’t really discussed it yet. I have a guardian and a ranger at 80 and I have noticed on both that in some areas at certain level scales, they felt weaker at 80 in full exotics than they were when they were the appropriate level wearing the appropriate gear.

That’s because it isn’t good. If you want to be god roll into WvW with a lv 5 char and go to a fort that has buff stat bonus. You will get INSANE stats. I had 3300 in EVERY stat. lol I had over like 31,000 hp on a guardian.

Kita.7819:

You guys also need to realize, this is a level 80 zone. The enemies here are just as strong as those in the Cursed Shore.

Heh, they hit a little harder than that. I could run into Cursed Shore, hammer ablaze, aggro everything around me, and come out alive. None of the normal mobs there stand the slightest chance against me one-on-one, even five-on-one I could manage with relative ease, but even the weakest karka (minus the hatchlings) pose a serious threat to me, and they don’t even really have condition damage, which is my one true weakness. (Though, speaking of weakness, that’s the main condition they inflict)

I like a bit more of a challenge, mind you, but it was very unsettling at first, lol.

umm, as a Guardian, I was laughing at the absurd amount of tanking I was doing and living. Yes, those Karka shots do hit /hard/ – be sure to adapt your play style to the area!

PS: Lol @ AH and spamming symbols in the middle of the Ancient Karka event and just watching my health stay full. XD