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Posted by: gravestorm.2580

gravestorm.2580

Hi all,
I ll try to be as honest as i can: Changing class here, after yesterdays patch i feel no fun playing sword/dagger thief anymore (to much dmg inbetween stealth, unlike prepatch i do die till my stalth heal abuility goes of cd). And my other build, wich is death blossom condi build was hurt even more.
So here i m. Looking for another class to master in spvp.
Because of stylish “blue flames-teleportation” flavour i wish guard is what i m looking for.
And these things are:
1. Good balance between surv and dmg. Tending a bit mor to dmg
2. Mobility
3. A extra little support.

Greatsword and meditatios seems exectly what i need. Or am i wrong?
So what can you sugest to me: traits, utilities, gear, runs, amulet, weapons, weapon enchants.
Any help will b apritiated.

Sry for my english btw.

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Posted by: Brutaly.6257

Brutaly.6257

Search for the user Jax, he has posted valid builds for tpvp/spvp.

Regarding meditations they are really nice when you have no teammates in range. As long as there is one teammate in range altruistic healing should/could be your choice from a self heal perspective.

For support you can achieve that in multipel ways. I would focus on the ones you have the most of which is stability and retaliation. Ofc 5 points in virtues, they are great for the team and great for you.

Save your self, stand your ground and hallowed ground for utility. Personally i play mostly hammer/mace atm in tpvp and i use a symbolbuild, larger symbols and healing in symbols combined with pure of voice for cond removal on team and self.

Purity and retributive armor ofc.

Sigil of energy in weapons and rune of the soldier for even more cond removal.

Shelter as heal or signet versus condition teams.

0/5/30/30/5 also worth trying with the above setup is a 0/0/30/25/15 and with SyG, SyS and signet of judgement. Add in gs instead of hammer and you get tons of retaliation, less incoming damage and aoe weakness.

First build (hammer/mace) is more defending a point and GS is more for attacking.

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Posted by: gravestorm.2580

gravestorm.2580

abbreviations are new to me as well, so i did not understand all, But i will try to, just nee some time.
As for support: support centric build ore not for me. Why? Because i like agressive and adaptive playstyle most.

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Posted by: Blasino.3128

Blasino.3128

Yeah Silven (Jax) lists the viable tpvp builds out there. I am a fan of the symbol bomb builds as I use them in WWW also.

For tournament play, I just play mid-bunker. I do not think there really isn’t a prof out there that can do that job better then us.

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Posted by: Jax.5261

Jax.5261

Hi all,
I ll try to be as honest as i can: Changing class here, after yesterdays patch i feel no fun playing sword/dagger thief anymore (to much dmg inbetween stealth, unlike prepatch i do die till my stalth heal abuility goes of cd). And my other build, wich is death blossom condi build was hurt even more.
So here i m. Looking for another class to master in spvp.
Because of stylish “blue flames-teleportation” flavour i wish guard is what i m looking for.
And these things are:
1. Good balance between surv and dmg. Tending a bit mor to dmg
2. Mobility
3. A extra little support.

Greatsword and meditatios seems exectly what i need. Or am i wrong?
So what can you sugest to me: traits, utilities, gear, runs, amulet, weapons, weapon enchants.
Any help will b apritiated.

Sry for my english btw.

Hey man, in tpvp there are 3 main types of Guardian Builds:

  • Symbol AoE DPS/Heal
  • Bunker
  • Roamer Burst/DPS

You’re going to be leaning towards a roaming DPS Guardian build, high mobility, survivability through meditations and a lot of burst/dps. You’re acutally going to benifit a lot from your thief style of play, many Guardians haven’t learnt to roam correctly yet because you can take a lot more damage before needing to pull out of a fight.
I’m going to quickly assume these things:

  • You want your build to include Judge’s Intervention
  • You’re playing a roaming postion in co-ordinated PvP, so ignoring hotjoin zerging tactics.

I will be taking the 3 points you mentioned above into account of course.
First off you’re going to need to decide on your focus, there isn’t specifically one build for each task.

  • If you’re wanting to go for a lot of 1v1 play and the best overall survivability, this is if you’re playing sidepoint a lot, has easily enough mobility to get there in time. Look to A
  • If you’re going for full burst and trusting completely on your well timed dodges and shelter/RF for survival then chose B (this is the most difficult to play but can 1 shot a lot of players like thieves)
  • If you want to be good at roaming, helping sidepoints, being very strong in midfights, bursting, DPS with the highest Mobility, Choose C (has the most utility and easiest to play)

A – Side Point Master (Sw-Fc / Sc-Sh) – http://tinyurl.com/c7dazqh
Benifits this build has over the others:

  • Dual Energy Sigils
  • Focus for defense/offense
  • Scepter shield for good ranged DPS and keeping your enemy off the point/you
  • Massive amouts of dodge rolls through vigor and energy sigils

B – Full Damage (Sw-T / Sc-Fc) – http://preview.tinyurl.com/cgtala5
Benifits this build has over the others:

  • Spec’d completely into damage
  • Can 100-0 many enemies
  • Double zerka amulet
  • A lot of single target pressure
  • Contemplation of Purity to relieve condition pressure

C – Balanced Roamer (Sw-Sh / GS) – http://tinyurl.com/c5he37d
Benifits this build has over the others:

  • Decent amount of team support
  • Has a lot of AoE damage, for team fights
  • Most mobility
  • Decent dodge rolls through vigor

Overall I suggest you use C as it is the most balanced, will be good in any team (a lot will want you to roam not just to play sidepoint) and even if they don’t you should still be in team fights.
If you have any more questions I can definitely ask them.

I do tutorials on my stream and youtube: http://www.twitch.tv/jaxsilven

All my refined builds are here: http://tinyurl.com/SilvenGuardianBuilds

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Posted by: gravestorm.2580

gravestorm.2580

Thnx Jax. It means alot to actualy have a mentor( in a good sense) like you. Friendly and not judging. Would be gr8 to have someone like you in every class forum!
I ll pick option C. Simple for the start, balanced, high mobility sounds perfect. Will try different things, do the tweaks acording to my playstyle.
Here are some questions/points to clarify i wish to ask:
-Why do you pick shield over focus? Is it because of knokback part to interrupt foes. focus seems to give much more surv with #5.
-1h sword as main dps seurce? It does that much, compared to GS?
-“stand your ground” everywhere to secure stomps?
- Condition build are not a probem?
Thnx for the links. Looking forward to see all your moves and to learn something new >_<

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Posted by: Jax.5261

Jax.5261

Thnx Jax. It means alot to actualy have a mentor( in a good sense) like you. Friendly and not judging. Would be gr8 to have someone like you in every class forum!
I ll pick option C. Simple for the start, balanced, high mobility sounds perfect. Will try different things, do the tweaks acording to my playstyle.
Here are some questions/points to clarify i wish to ask:
-Why do you pick shield over focus? Is it because of knokback part to interrupt foes. focus seems to give much more surv with #5.
-1h sword as main dps seurce? It does that much, compared to GS?
-“stand your ground” everywhere to secure stomps?
- Condition build are not a probem?
Thnx for the links. Looking forward to see all your moves and to learn something new >_<

To answer your questions:

  • At first I was running this build with a focus yes, but it’s much harder to deny a stomp without a shield and the blind can basically only shutdown churning earth it’s that slow. Yes it’s good at shutting down burst and definitely run it on Spirit Watch for the block on the channel but you really need that knockback for stomps.
  • The sword has so much more DPS than the greatsword due to Right Hand Strength which gives something like 700 precision and still being able to invest into a Soldier’s amulet. The greatsword is when you jump into a group fight, it’s going to do a lot more damage than the sword.
  • Stand Your Ground IS the best guardian skill, you can easily secure stomps/reses/deny control, etc. So important for almost every Guardian to have, the only reason it’s not on the DPS one is that you need the extra healing from CoP. But otherwise 100% of Guardians use this skill.
  • They can be a problem, the idea with condition builds is to use smite condition to remove poison/burning instantly while pressuring them to the point it’s hard for them to get conditions on you. Big example is the Necromancer, once you pressure them enough they won’t be able to damage you.

If you have any more questions/clarifications just ask.
I want to thank you and everybody on this forum for being much nicer than any other part of the forum.

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Posted by: akamon.2769

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  • They can be a problem, the idea with condition builds is to use smite condition to remove poison/burning instantly while pressuring them to the point it’s hard for them to get conditions on you. Big example is the Necromancer, once you pressure them enough they won’t be able to damage you.

assuming this is where and why taking the trait Focused Mind is almost required for all PvP builds?

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Posted by: Jax.5261

Jax.5261

  • They can be a problem, the idea with condition builds is to use smite condition to remove poison/burning instantly while pressuring them to the point it’s hard for them to get conditions on you. Big example is the Necromancer, once you pressure them enough they won’t be able to damage you.

assuming this is where and why taking the trait Focused Mind is almost required for all PvP builds?

Yes otherwise poison will be covered by other conditions, as it is lower down on the ‘condition stack’ while bleeding is up the top. It also doubles offensively by compacting more of your burst so that your enemy has less time to react.

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Posted by: gravestorm.2580

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So played last night. It was FUN, but somewhat confusing (cd on weapon skills and more complex class panel).
A bit sad that guard have no acess to cripple/chill btw. I fell less protected without stalth. As i thief i remember good guard players that can withstand alot of my dmg and at the same time dish out good dps to overcome my healing and make me run.

Couple more Qs if you dont mind.
- where is a trait called “Focused Mind”? Cant find it somehow.
- how to abuse teleportation for movement w/o target? Coz if i use it w/o one my guard moves nowhere.

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Posted by: Jax.5261

Jax.5261

So played last night. It was FUN, but somewhat confusing (cd on weapon skills and more complex class panel).
A bit sad that guard have no acess to cripple/chill btw. I fell less protected without stalth. As i thief i remember good guard players that can withstand alot of my dmg and at the same time dish out good dps to overcome my healing and make me run.

Couple more Qs if you dont mind.
- where is a trait called “Focused Mind”? Cant find it somehow.
- how to abuse teleportation for movement w/o target? Coz if i use it w/o one my guard moves nowhere.

No worries, the easy questions first:

  • Focused Mind is the Valour Major trait X – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Focused_Mind
  • You have to have a target for the Guardian teleports, which means you ask your allies for a target and press T or you have to click beforehand. Remember things like the windows on the clocktower and pets can be teleported to.

Retaliation does a lot of DPS so don’t forget that, make sure you’re stopping their burst with RF/Shelter and you’ll do quite a lot. Also pressure = counter pressure, and by that I mean if you pressure them enough they can’t pressure you!