Guild Wars 2

Just wanted to express my feelings.

The Litany of Wrath is Awsome with traited medis. The CD reduction makes it finally fun to play with.

With the damage we dish out at moment i also feel that it really has a place aginst shelter. pair it with stability and you burst and your almost invurnable in a lot of situations.

good times

It hasn’t changed, it was always affected by Meditation traits, because it’s been a Meditation skill since it came into the game. The only extra it got was from Smiter’s Boon (cast Smite Condition when you use a heal skill) which certainly added to it, but it’s always had the extra heal, Fury and CD reduction when traited.

MelGT.8326:

It hasn’t changed, it was always affected by Meditation traits, because it’s been a Meditation skill since it came into the game. The only extra it got was from Smiter’s Boon (cast Smite Condition when you use a heal skill) which certainly added to it, but it’s always had the extra heal, Fury and CD reduction when traited.

Nope, I’m 90% sure that its cast time was reduced (I’m sure that’s what OP meant by “CD”).

Edit:

Litany of Wrath: Reduced the casting time of this ability from 0.75 seconds to 0.25 seconds.

Fashion Mage.3712:

MelGT.8326:

It hasn’t changed, it was always affected by Meditation traits, because it’s been a Meditation skill since it came into the game. The only extra it got was from Smiter’s Boon (cast Smite Condition when you use a heal skill) which certainly added to it, but it’s always had the extra heal, Fury and CD reduction when traited.

Nope, I’m 90% sure that its cast time was reduced (I’m sure that’s what OP meant by “CD”).

Edit:

Litany of Wrath: Reduced the casting time of this ability from 0.75 seconds to 0.25 seconds.

Yes, the cast time was reduced, not the cooldown.

This skill is finally viable because of that.

I haven’t been able to test it out yet (still trying to get all my other 40-ish builds in place), but it was like everyone was saying all along. The only thing that kept litany from being any good was the cast time. I always advocated it to be instant, but reducing to 1/4 second is still quite good.

Yeah, Since the huge nerf to burn/might on block, i have pretty much given up on shelter and went with litany, Even more so with our hybrid builds, since litany works on all damage even condi’s The skill can literally be a full heal if use correctly, and is amazing sustain during an initial trade in bursts at the start of fights.

Shelter’s ability to negate anywhere from 1-20k (or 50k in wvw) worth of damage is still way too good to pass up for any other heal skill imo.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Shelter’s ability to negate anywhere from 1-20k (or 50k in wvw) worth of damage is still way too good to pass up for any other heal skill imo.

Well yes, thats WvW, Most people talking litany are in regards to pve or pvp

Shelter is still a no brainer in spvp in the new burst meta, as for pve, who gives a rip, you can take Prayer to Dwayna and still do fine.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Shelter is still a no brainer in spvp in the new burst meta, as for pve, who gives a rip, you can take Prayer to Dwayna and still do fine.

Except it isnt, since it was heavily nerfed. Litany is a contender now, even in this burst meta, and maybe even more so since you can easily full heal with it because of the burst meta.

Shelter was “heavily nerfed”? That’s news to me.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Shelter was “heavily nerfed”? That’s news to me.

burn/might on block trait nerf, i would consider that a pretty heavy nerf, but to each their own i guess.

Shelter wasn’t directly affected in the update, all I wouldn’t call it as Shelter getting a nerf. The synergy was disrupted for sure, but I would call it a nerf, not phrased like that at least.

So we arent considering the whole 6 stacks of might vs 25 stacks in a zerg setting a nerf in regards to shelter? I feel like that is an understatement.

Bash.7291:

So we arent considering the whole 4 stacks of might vs 25 stacks in a zerg setting a nerf in regards to shelter? I feel like that is an understatement.

Edited it for you.

Litany of wrath heal, plus medi trait heal, plus smiter’s boon upon casting litany’s wrath, plus medi heal from smiter’s boon = litany of wrath is finally worth taking as a heal that also cleanses and damages foes. it’s the offense themed heal now. (like how arcane brilliance is the offense themed heal for elementalists.)

not to mention that with full exotic cleric’s gear, that’s almost a 8k heal. yes, my PvE cleric’s meditation right-hand-strength guard (using sword-shield mace-focus) also uses runes of the defender for the extra aegis, extra regen, and extra heal. there are plenty of blocks available to trigger that 4k heal from the runes (sword 3, shield 5, mace 3, focus 5, heal 6 procs aegis.). too bad defender runes aren’t available for PvP… but seeing how great they are in PvE, they might be OP in the conquest environment.

Arken.3725:

Bash.7291:

So we arent considering the whole 4 stacks of might vs 25 stacks in a zerg setting a nerf in regards to shelter? I feel like that is an understatement.

Edited it for you.

haha, yeah my bad, keep forgetting that renewed focus is the longer of the 2 channels now.

Something to keep in mind,

If shelter gets interrupted it goes on full cooldown.

Many class can hit and CC through block most commonly warriors and necro.

Both have their + and – now. I believe litany will get olny better when guard get access to lb. After all you can kite melee, but you cant kite ranged (ofc not talking about that trash scepter.)

The nerf to MotP was completely unjustifiable since you never saw Guardian’s stack 25 in comparison to Ele’s/War’s and even with that, i’d still never take Litany.

Their approach to make Litany more appealing by nerfing the crap out of something that wasn’t strong to begin with baffles my mind.

Nope, shelter is still better by miles. I never really cared about might of the protector (usually because I can generate kittentons of might with strength sigil, empowering might, and the great sword auto). Litany is OK for pve and that’s it. Mesmers and theives have stealth to negate damage, we have blocks. Also, when anyone sees that heal go off, 50% of the players will know to get the hell away from you to deny you the healing and the rest will just CC chain. Having to burn a 60s stability skill just to be able to use your heal to its fullest is already indication enough that shelter is the stronger heal.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Nope, shelter is still better by miles. I never really cared about might of the protector (usually because I can generate kittentons of might with strength sigil, empowering might, and the great sword auto). Litany is OK for pve and that’s it. Mesmers and theives have stealth to negate damage, we have blocks. Also, when anyone sees that heal go off, 50% of the players will know to get the hell away from you to deny you the healing and the rest will just CC chain. Having to burn a 60s stability skill just to be able to use your heal to its fullest is already indication enough that shelter is the stronger heal.

Except litany heals off all damage, even condition. You dont need to burn a 60s stability (which if your running hybrid you dont even have) and still be healed pretty much to full in a group situation. As far as people seeing the heal go off and getting away, its a 1/4s cast now, which means you can pretty much cast it in people’s faces and continue pounding on them, also the fact that the actual cast is hidden within a smite condition effect allows for better use too.

Litany is a viable possiblity now, and it is more a matter of playstyle, as was mentioned, litany is more offensive, while shelter is defensive, but both can be used.

I think some guard are too mind closed to open up for new possibilities. Also i cant say how many times i kittened up someone shelter by interrupting him just to melt him short after.

But in the end its down to the playstyle. Litany is more a high risk high reward but even if someone kite you, you still heal for more than with shelter. Also funny thing about litaly is that you can go full kitten and still heal up all the damage you traded off with someone else.

Litany is great with greatsword because aoe dmg
Greatsword 5 > Symbol of Wrath > Pull > Greatsword 2
OR consecretation + hammer
OR scepter + focus
actually anything with good aoe dmg.

Shelter is completely overrated imo, even ranger taunt will interrupt it.
You can still get condi bursted while using it and go down before receiving the heal.
Monk’s Focus greatly improve it but still it’s a long cooldown and too little heal.
Shelter gives you block for just 2 sec well hey guess what you can dodge instead
If you use litany you quickly heal and go back to fight.

I have nothing against new things, make no mistake. The problem is, in a burst heavy meta such as this, being able to mitigate damage is so valuable. Its the reason why mesmers and theives are at the top currently. They can easily avoid any and all forms of damage through stealth. You guys do know that EVERYONE is dealing craptons of damage, right? Warriors and necros can MAYBE get away with zerk/assassin amulets as well, but thats because of their ridiculously large health pool. If I recall correctly, one of the major differences between warriors and guardians is the health disparity which is made up for with….blocks. Therefore, litany is only viable vs bads since people who know how to play their class will shut you down entirely.

Shelter wasn’t touched, that’s why shelter wasn’t nerfed. MotP was what was changed, so call it for what it is, a nerf to MotP.

Then the same logic should apply to AW, but people see them as one and the same. Oh well, their loss not taking shelter lol.

shelter is superior in many scenarios. I am just happy that we can chose between three heals now instead of only two. Litany is much more fun in pve and thats all there is to it.

Its the same with feel my wrath. awsome skill yet RF is superior in many competitive scenarios.

Asmodal.6489:

shelter is superior in many scenarios. I am just happy that we can chose between three heals now instead of only two. Litany is much more fun in pve and thats all there is to it.

Its the same with feel my wrath. awsome skill yet RF is superior in many competitive scenarios.

Couldn’t agree more. The counter play is too good on a competitive level but Litany and FMW are darn fun to use.
That’s not to say they’re not viable in tpvp. I feel they’re good enough to work, given the player and team comp, ino.

Now I have a question:

Does Smite Consition damages first or Litany trigger before Smite Condition can damage when using with Smiter’s Boon trait?

the condi removal and damage happens first

or rather, they’re cast at the same time, but since Smite Condition is an instant cast, its effects gets applied first.

shelter is far superior in a pvp setting still.