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Posted by: CMF.5461

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Was doing random testing and was impressed with how well Litany of Wrath works with Burning, especially on a group of targets. Heals for quite a lot and you don’t have to maintain distance on the targets to keep healing going.

Just a small “ah hah!” moment, not game changing per say. But could help someone theory craft their own build.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

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I really like Litany but I find Shelter is needed in many competitive, clutch, moments as everyone knows to burst down the Guard the moment he exhausts Elite and/or Shelter. Our survivability simply sucks and a 2s aoe block makes a huge difference :p

Otherwise I agree!

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Posted by: CMF.5461

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I want to make it work because analyzing other classes, they primarily sustain via avoidance/mobility and fast recharging healing skills.

We sustain mostly through our utility skills it feels. I agree that shelter/renewed focus feel so crucial to our survivability, but Litany of Wrath is our fastest heal, closer in line with the other classes.

If we can emphasize that strength we can open up utility skills to do more than lock down a source of healing.

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Posted by: Ragnar the Rock.3174

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I really like Litany but I find Shelter is needed in many competitive, clutch, moments as everyone knows to burst down the Guard the moment he exhausts Elite and/or Shelter. Our survivability simply sucks and a 2s aoe block makes a huge difference :p

Otherwise I agree!

YA shelter is nice, but given how warriors have a few ways to have their attacks be unblockable and now revs will as well shelter may well be becoming allot less useful.

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Posted by: RevanCorana.8942

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The problem with shelter is the cooldown, tiny heal, eventual interrupt and the sneaky nerf of might of the protector.
If you use smite boons like most guards d/d ele can interrupt you with shock aura. Necro can too with unblockable fear mark.
I wouldn’t say shelter is bad but it’s no longer the only viable option.

And about renewed focus it’s still good but it makes you unable to defend a point and unable to attack unlike distorsion or ignore pain so again it’s no longer the only viable option.

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Posted by: Ghotistyx.6942

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everyone knows to burst down the Guard the moment he exhausts Elite and/or Shelter.

If you don’t take shelter or an elite skill, you’ll never be busted! It’s genius! (This was not a sarcastic stab btw)

For reals though, people forget/forgot/have forgotten that Litany heals from condition damage and retaliation. Shelter and RF might be a crutch we’re all too reliant on.

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Posted by: skowcia.8257

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Properly played guardian with litany is far more rewarding than shelter actually. Espesially when people focus and try to faceroll you. The moment where you activate protection with stab, litany and you whirl in them..

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Posted by: starlinvf.1358

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I want to make it work because analyzing other classes, they primarily sustain via avoidance/mobility and fast recharging healing skills.

We sustain mostly through our utility skills it feels. I agree that shelter/renewed focus feel so crucial to our survivability, but Litany of Wrath is our fastest heal, closer in line with the other classes.

If we can emphasize that strength we can open up utility skills to do more than lock down a source of healing.

The thing really is that nothing in the game except Point Capture values sustain in any real way. Because so much of the game’s damage is bound to scaling, eliminating any single source of damage drops the total DPS by a huge amount. And because delivery of damage tends to come in bursts, damage negation has become an extremely powerful asset.

If you look, the vast majority of builds are offense focused in stats, but defense focused through traits and utilities.

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Posted by: Saiyan.1704

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Properly played guardian with litany is far more rewarding than shelter actually. Espesially when people focus and try to faceroll you. The moment where you activate protection with stab, litany and you whirl in them..

That’s just it. For Burn guardians who go Permeating Wrath, you’re almost forced to go SYG to gain stability so your Whirl doesn’t get CC. Assuming you haven’t already used JI for a stun break or PF for cleanses, you’re otherwise reliant on using them during Litany for the extra heals especially if Whirl isn’t up. You lose additional resiliency; the inability to leave a clutch – heavy AoE team fight – for a heal that may or may not put out due to its 6s heals window.

I’m not saying Litany is bad, it actually works quite well in solo pvp as it’s definitely a better heal over Shelter in that regards. I’m saying it’s not going to trump Shelter in higher tier play where it’s essential to block a syncronized 5man burst. There’s absolutely no way to outheal the butsts against a 4man, let alone 5. Burns on block is a nice bonus, between 3-4 stacks depending on hit rate.
For the record, if some one Slows you during Shelter you gain a Much longer Block and will continually burn people during it too.

If Litany lasted 10s instead of 6s, i’d maybe start using it more and practice on being careful in my engagements. I personally don’t think it’s viable outside of solo queue.

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

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Its a shame that shelter is still the better heal that, still, synergizes better with more important traits.

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Posted by: Quarktastic.1027

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Its a shame that shelter is still the better heal that, still, synergizes better with more important traits.

When traited with monk’s focus and smiter’s boon, Litany is actually quite good. Without those two traits, it’s pretty mediocre.

Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

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No denying that its good, but the low base HP pool puts shelter leagues beyond litany.

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Posted by: Rune Darkmoor.3269

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If traited for Medi with Smiter’s Boon I’ve found LoW to be a very effective heal, especially if you’re running a burn build since you heal after the initial cast from the burn without having to do anything.

Now, I can’t take FmW cause I need RF to have some better sustain, but overall I’ve found litany of Wrath allows me to apply more pressure on a target than Shelter. Then again, I’m running sc/f and sw/t instead of m/t or sw/t and GS, so sc/f gives me more wiggle room than all the Guardians running around with GS. So that might account for that.

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

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That is until you fight a non-kitten mesmer/thief. Then you realize “golly, I really should be playing my guardian to his strengths rather than playing him like a warrior”.

Without shelter, you have VoC x 2 (assuming RF) and SoW along with 4 blinds (assuming radiance sw/f). That’s 5 blocks and 4 blinds, all of which can be removed with a total of 9 of any kind of attack. Of course, no one is going to throw all of their damage at a guardian at once, because they’re assuming shelter, and you wouldn’t burn all of your defenses at once, especially vs another burster. Mesmers can literally melt through that with their GS auto while kiting with ports until all of your crap is down. Thieves can do this as well, but its a little harder to not be burnt to a crisp. You wanna face a zerk warrior with LESS defenses? Lolk. D/D ele is always out of the question, regardless of heal. Engi is meh. Necro depends on if they have any of that transfer bullkitten. If they do, GG.

I get that people are bored of running shelter, but there is absolutely no way there would be any heal that tickles the bottom of its feet, let alone match it. I guarantee you if warriors got a heal with a block tied to it, they would never stop using it. The moment people know you don’t have shelter, welcome to necros world of being focused non-stop.

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Posted by: Rune Darkmoor.3269

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If we’re taking a base HP Guardian then yes, nothing compares to shelter since once you’re defense is shot a soft breeze can knock you over like a house of cards.

But if your running Carrion or any Amulet with Vitality that gets you closer to 20k HP LoW is very comparable. LoW on a Burn build especially since you heal from your burn ticks without even having to be in Melee range. So, let’s compare.

LoW will heal you with the initial heal, 2x traited Monk’s Focus heal if using Smiter’s Boon, remove a condition AND do AOE damage. And that’s just on the initial cast. Then, if you have multiple sources of damage (burn, raw damage, symbols, scepter 2 for a few examples) for the next few seconds 25% of all of that damage is converted to healing. (Which can add up to 1k or 2k more)

So, no. The initial heal would most likely cap you at base HP not making it very useful, but if you have higher HP LoW will easily heal for considerably more if used correctly. Oh, and it has a shorter CD. Can’t forget that.

The real issue there is then you absolutely must take RF. No FmW as an option.

Sidenote: position is a powerful way to help avoid incoming damage when you’re not a bunker. <.<

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

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Are we going to forget the fact that shelter can keep you alive vs a whole team of focus fire while litany would require you hit everyone for it be to comparable? Or that shelter synergizes with other on block traits? Or that litany requires healing from ONE condition that can be easily cleansed and your pitiful precisionless attacks?

Also, freely repositioning is just not a part of the guard’s description. Hard to NOT be in the middle of the fight when all of your gap closers drive you closer to an enemy.

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Posted by: Quarktastic.1027

Quarktastic.1027

Are we going to forget the fact that shelter can keep you alive vs a whole team of focus fire while litany would require you hit everyone for it be to comparable? Or that shelter synergizes with other on block traits? Or that litany requires healing from ONE condition that can be easily cleansed and your pitiful precisionless attacks?

Also, freely repositioning is just not a part of the guard’s description. Hard to NOT be in the middle of the fight when all of your gap closers drive you closer to an enemy.

If you’re getting focused by an entire group, you’re going to die no matter what heal you’re packing. Shelter just means you’ll die 2 seconds slower.

Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
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Posted by: Rune Darkmoor.3269

Rune Darkmoor.3269

Are we going to forget the fact that shelter can keep you alive vs a whole team of focus fire while litany would require you hit everyone for it be to comparable? Or that shelter synergizes with other on block traits? Or that litany requires healing from ONE condition that can be easily cleansed and your pitiful precisionless attacks?

Also, freely repositioning is just not a part of the guard’s description. Hard to NOT be in the middle of the fight when all of your gap closers drive you closer to an enemy.

If you’re getting focused by an entire group, you’re going to die no matter what heal you’re packing. Shelter just means you’ll die 2 seconds slower.

^

Also, since we’re playing the childish ignore facts game. . . are we going to ignore the fact LoW heals for almost 2k more than Shelter fully traited, before the 25% conversion of damage? Are we going to ignore the fact you can use sigils to apply bleed and poison to help keep burn on, increasing conversion return alongside raw damage? Are we going to ignore the smite condition that medi heals you, and gives a bonus from conversion on use, AND removes a condition? Are we going to ignore the shorter CD meaning more consistent higher healing in a sustained fight? Are we going to ignore immobilize and raw damage to conversion?

I can keep going. A 2s block, that uses traits that have internal CD does not compensate. Matter of fact, it also forces you for those two seconds to give up DPS. (And don’t even joke about Shattered Aegis) LoW does not.

Yeah. Please.