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Needs to be able to hit up to 3 targets and heal for each one struck

Plus Symbol of Faith should be 1s cast time, down from 1.25

That would be interesting, problem is that Mace 3 can be single trigereg at range, and targets can trigger easilly mace 3 and evade easilly, altough would be a positive change :\ i guess.

There are tons of changes both little and small that should be made on the guardian.

If your expecting Anet to ever do any of them however your likely smoking something illegal.
They may surprise you once in a great while and do something nice but its generally not something that was actually needed or is just one tiny thing out of a mountain of things that need done.

And don’t let their saying “Guardian is in a good spot” fool you. If guardian were really in a good spot they would nerf ele, engi, rev and a few others into the ground so guards would have company.

Aeolus.3615:

That would be interesting, problem is that Mace 3 can be single trigereg at range, and targets can trigger easilly mace 3 and evade easilly, altough would be a positive change :\ i guess.

Pretty sure he means the 3rd auto attack which hits a single person and has almost no scaling in how much it heals.

Yes I mean the 3rd attack of the Mace auto-chain.

Right now it’s the only melee weapon that doesn’t have a cleave on one of it’s auto hits, after Thief dagger got bumped up to 2, while still being extremely fast.
Guard Mace is slow and clumsy, 1 target for the slow 3rd chain is pitiful.

Faithful Strike hits only 1 target for damage, the 5 targets tooltip indicates the allied heal.

I think it should change to strike 3 targets, heal once per target so 340 × 3.
And change to heal a maximum of 3 allied targets.

yeah my bad, topic even says faithfull strike….. i feel bad now, i use mace since game realease lol….

Well technically you could include the sword 3rd auto on the list of things that doesn’t cleave.

The attack cone is so narrow that if you or your target are moving or on any sort of incline the attack often just misses.
It can also get reflected very easily in pvp anymore due to all the easy to maintain reflects other classes have.

So while mace changes are a small but very needed change they are just one of dozens upon dozens _(possibly close to 50-70 once you figure in all the traits, weapon skills, utility skills etc..) that need adjustments or flat out remakes.

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

Oh.. and could Scepter 2 become a Resistance Symbol?
Could Guards choose something other than medi to be viable in competitive?
Boost Honor line, move Glacial Heart (+convert chill to slow) and update scepter, mace and perhaps even sword to a degree in terms of smoothness.

Josh Davis.6015:

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

Thanks Grouch, appreciate it!
Also, another tip – shouts could be reworked into giving more substantial effects on teammates rather than just boons. For example group superspeed on “Retreat!” (3-4s) or a pulsing stability area for “Stand Your Ground!”
Altruistic Healing revamp is also overdue, the metas have shifted too drastically for it to be considered worthwhile.

Thanks for feedbacks, finally!

ps: save yourselves need resistance.

Josh, thanks for finally giving the guardian forum some attention.

My #1 question is…whats with all the projectiles? guardians have TWELVE weapon skills that are countered by projectile hate, including quite a few that aren’t even listed as projectile finishers (sword 1, sword 3, hammer 3, torch 4 etc).

Is Radiance finally gonna get some love too?

Not to sound too pessimistic but Josh said they’ll look into mace, which is on their list of investigation.
Although chances are there, there is no guarantee that other areas of the Guardian will see a revamp/buff.

I certainly hope they will, I’d just like to warn everyone to not get your hopes up high again.

Guardian is in dire need of some balancing, not because they aren’t in a good place but because other professions simply are in a superior one.

Let’s all hold onto our virtues and hope the Guardian will see some light shed upon it, yet not indulge ourselves in extravagant anticipation.

We have been given a glimmer of hope, let’s not expect a brilliant beacon of radiant salvation.

Oh my diddly darn… a Dev has descended upon Guardian’s forum section.

BROTHERS! We have not been abandoned… hope that other Guard’s weapons like hammer, sword and scepter get touched as well.
We even have a whole, huge thread about hammer: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guardian-hammer-Feedback/page/4#post6177477

Nero.8047:

Not to sound too pessimistic but Josh said they’ll look into mace, which is on their list of investigation.
Although chances are there, there is no guarantee that other areas of the Guardian will see a revamp/buff.

Honor is at least a decent trait line, a good one (probably the most useful guardian’s trait line) while Radiance is never even considered to be taken… not in PvE/PvP/WvW nor in Raids.

Rodzynald.5897:

Oh my diddly darn… a Dev has descended upon Guardian’s forum section.

BROTHERS! We have not been abandoned… hope that other Guard’s weapons like hammer, sword and scepter get touched as well.
We even have a whole, huge thread about hammer: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guardian-hammer-Feedback/page/4#post6177477

Hammer is meta in Raids with a bit of Quickness you pomp up the best possible dps for guard + protection. It’s a balanced weapon. Slow, but it provides a powerful team support. Maybe it can’t be seen in general PvE or PvP, but in raids you heal your team every second. And if you have Quickness your symbols can overlap and deal more dmg, apply more buring and heal more often.

Nice to see a dev name appear. I guess it brings some small hope that Guardian might have an examination in terms of :

1) mobility
2) sustain
3) team support
4) meditation builds being the only viable option
5) the prevelence of passive projectile reflects
6) only having a single condi type

Josh Davis.6015:

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

Nice to hear, taking the projectile on sword AA also in consideration?
We hope the next update is fixibg all weapon skill bugs with all profesdions.

Assic.2746:

Hammer is meta in Raids with a bit of Quickness you pomp up the best possible dps for guard + protection. It’s a balanced weapon. Slow, but it provides a powerful team support. Maybe it can’t be seen in general PvE or PvP, but in raids you heal your team every second. And if you have Quickness your symbols can overlap and deal more dmg, apply more buring and heal more often.

Just because it’s used in raids doesn’t mean there’s nothing wrong with it. Everything you just said applies only to the auto-attack. In addition to that, hammer #2 is also ok but the rest of the skills need some attention. Hammer #3, #4 and #5 all have reliability issues, they are hard to land on any foe that’s moving.

Edit: Seeing as we have a dev present in this thread, I will advertise my own suggestion here as well. Everybody else is invited to discuss it as well, I haven’t had a satisfactory amount of feedback yet.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Suggestion-Staff-honor-and-shout-reworks/first#post6184682

Josh Davis.6015:

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

It would be very rewarding to see that list considering that the players list is like 60-70 items long on this outdated profession.

It could be a good thing exchanging notes so we know what to expect in the future.

Nero.8047:

Not to sound too pessimistic but Josh said they’ll look into mace, which is on their list of investigation.
Although chances are there, there is no guarantee that other areas of the Guardian will see a revamp/buff.

I’m with you, Nero. I’m a bit skeptical about this too and I can’t have any strength to be optimistic. As I see they’ll nerf the mace to even more useless.
Maybe we have to start to use the environmental weapons instead.

Rinn.2375:

Nero.8047:

Not to sound too pessimistic but Josh said they’ll look into mace, which is on their list of investigation.
Although chances are there, there is no guarantee that other areas of the Guardian will see a revamp/buff.

I’m with you, Nero. I’m a bit skeptical about this too and I can’t have any strength to be optimistic. As I see they’ll nerf the mace to even more useless.
Maybe we have to start to use the environmental weapons instead.

I often choose to play a bunker in pvp and ask an ele to give me a Fiery Greatsword so I can be half-viable damage and sustain-wise. :P

Josh Davis.6015:

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

My blunt weapon Guardian would be extremly pleased.

Guards will get buffed next balance patch. The only thing is how much and whether or not theyll slightly buff worthless weapons and traits so that theyre only mildly useless. Sadly Karl has no idea which things need small buffs and which need big reworks. Youll probably see something like “Spirit weapons now have 5% shorter cd” meanwhile “Trueshot now does 50% more damage, is unblockable, and range has been increased to 1500”.

and then in the next patch Trueshot will get nerfed hard because “Guardians have been OP for far too many years now.”

Mace 3 cd reduced by 2 sec

Good Spot !!!!

I’m expecting like a 10% buff to the healing or something. A 10% buff to something worthless is still worthless~

Meanwhile, the warrior’s rifle gets an entire rework.

I actually am quite hopeful and expect skill 3 on mace to become a cleave + heal on each hit. imagine that!
the 3rd hit would actually be useful and wouldn’t have to be cancelled for optimal dps!

Something arround this:

Mace AA Faithfull Strike with better heal cleave.

Invigorated bullwarks
Start at 250 by equiping mace and reach 500 or 750 by combat, effect needs to last a bit longer if possible, since it tends to be really risky to play mace nowadays.

Symbold of faith:
Dunno, has low damage, low heal, dunno what to tell, i only use it to force bad players burning a dodge, players tend to dodge red circles…

Protector Strike:
Reduce the CD by 2 sec.

Sandzibar.5134:

Nice to see a dev name appear. I guess it brings some small hope that Guardian might have an examination in terms of :

1) mobility
2) sustain
3) team support
4) meditation builds being the only viable option
5) the prevelence of passive projectile reflects
6) only having a single condi type

The devs posting in a forum are not an indication that those things were never being looked into in the first place.

Aeolus.3615:

Symbold of faith:
Dunno, has low damage, low heal, dunno what to tell, i only use it to force bad players burning a dodge, players tend to dodge red circles…

Haha, you should see my teams.
When I drop a FRIENDLY symbol for the regen/swiftness/vigor my team dodges out of it thinking I’m trying to nuke them or something. :/

that is so sad to know…. that is the momment they notice you are a guardian and u scare them

Fashion Mage.3712:

I’m expecting like a 10% buff to the healing or something. A 10% buff to something worthless is still worthless~

Meanwhile, the warrior’s rifle gets an entire rework.

And ranger sword. But since they’ve actually said something here, I’m willing to hope. Keeping expectations low, mind you (“less-used options”), but hopeful.

Josh Davis.6015:

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

Yanno, it might go a long way if you could share said list at this point to settle folks down. Maybe you could even get some community feedback on the priorities and directions you’re considering.

King Cephalopod.7942:

Fashion Mage.3712:

I’m expecting like a 10% buff to the healing or something. A 10% buff to something worthless is still worthless~

Meanwhile, the warrior’s rifle gets an entire rework.

And ranger sword. But since they’ve actually said something here, I’m willing to hope. Keeping expectations low, mind you (“less-used options”), but hopeful.

Didn’t they post that they’d buff the mesmer’s scepter’s auto-attack speed awhile back, and then they buffed it by like 5% or something?

If you think something amazing is going to happen because a dev posted, you’re going to be VERY disappointed. We are in for exactly the same significance of change we have seen in the past, based on where Devs want the class performance to be. Anything that gets Guardians excited will be exceptional, not the norm. We have access to reasonably balanced skills, so anything beyond that is gravy.

Guardians dont need something amazing to happen, just small quality tweaks over time.

Since this topic is getting some dev attention I’ll just throw a problem here and hope that they’ll read. The problem is that when you have multiple sources of blocks and you get attacked, an attack will remove 1 block from all the sources you have. For example, you are using mace #3 and also have focus #5 while having aegis: mace 3 will activate + you’ll lose aegis + you’ll lose 1 block from focus #5 when you get attacked once by an enemy -> losing 3 blocks from 1 attack. I wouldn’t mind it this much if guardian didn’t have the trait Unscathed Contender. Say, I want to use mace #3 (or focus #5) with the trait to maximize the skill’s damage but the moment I get attacked to trigger mace #3 I’ll also lose aegis which results in losing 20% damage from mace #3 (and 1 block from aegis). It would be great if the game can remove blocks from 1 source at a time.

For some of you its like its your first interaction with a dev. Glad your cherry is popped, but calm down. Devs read tons of threads on the forums, and they have an internal list of what they want to accomplish with each balance pass. The red posts here are probably just Josh’s way of letting us know that they know that we know.

Its definitely worth smoothing over the inconsistent functionality of skills. Faithful Strike can easily deal damage to three enemies but heal once, as seen in Necro and Thief Dagger autos. Protector’s Strike should probably act more like most blocks and not trigger after just the first block (and also have a toggle skill to end the block early for the secondary effect). Sword Wave could afford to be a wave like Wave of Wrath happens to be, and all the other fun things that make playing Guardian different mechanically from another class. I’m really big on things acting consistent throughout a game. I’m a fan of naming conventions that reflect what the skills do (used heavily in GW1). There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit in every class that’s largely just fixing inconsistencies with how skills work compared to other skills with similar functionality. No doubt Anet is tracking and working on solutions to them.

I have been following guardian forums for a while and not once seen a dev reply to these forums, how the hek do you know nothing will change?

Ryou.2398:

I have been following guardian forums for a while and not once seen a dev reply to these forums, how the hek do you know nothing will change?

No one is suggesting NOTHING will change but a dev posting in a profession forum is not an indication that they have only just started to pay attention to making adjustments to the class; they have been doing that all along.

Obtena.7952:

Ryou.2398:

I have been following guardian forums for a while and not once seen a dev reply to these forums, how the hek do you know nothing will change?

No one is suggesting NOTHING will change but a dev posting in a profession forum is not an indication that they have only just started to pay attention to making adjustments to the class; they have been doing that all along.

So you didnt even read the dev post,

Josh Davis

Associate Global Brand Manager

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

This is a clear indication.

Ryou.2398:

I have been following guardian forums for a while and not once seen a dev reply to these forums, how the hek do you know nothing will change?

To be fair, I haven’t seen devs posting to any other class forums either lately. Except the revenant forum which is getting equal focus atm.

What are you talking about. Josh just posted yesterday.

Ryou.2398:

Obtena.7952:

Ryou.2398:

I have been following guardian forums for a while and not once seen a dev reply to these forums, how the hek do you know nothing will change?

No one is suggesting NOTHING will change but a dev posting in a profession forum is not an indication that they have only just started to pay attention to making adjustments to the class; they have been doing that all along.

So you didnt even read the dev post,

Josh Davis

Associate Global Brand Manager

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

This is a clear indication.

What? A dev saying they will look into something and they agree it could use some love and it’s on a list for investigation is a clear indication nothing will change … ALRIGHTY THEN!

Obtena.7952:

Ryou.2398:

Obtena.7952:

Ryou.2398:

I have been following guardian forums for a while and not once seen a dev reply to these forums, how the hek do you know nothing will change?

No one is suggesting NOTHING will change but a dev posting in a profession forum is not an indication that they have only just started to pay attention to making adjustments to the class; they have been doing that all along.

So you didnt even read the dev post,

Josh Davis

Associate Global Brand Manager

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll look into this.

Could Mace 3 block more than just one attack before it triggers? With the current amount of things flying around it’s entirely useless as a defense mechanism. Or at least give it a duration (.75-1 sec block) with the ability to trigger a counter attack while it’s still casting

I agree that it could some love. We’ve already got it on our list for investigation.

This is a clear indication.

What? A dev saying they will look into something and they agree it could use some love and it’s on a list for investigation is a clear indication nothing will change … ALRIGHTY THEN!

I think maybe your just being to negative about it, why would someone say this and not do it?

I never stated someone would not do something. In fact, I said they have been doing things this whole time, even if they aren’t posting in the forum.

How about faithful strike being a pbaoe with the same range as the heal? I’d like it to be a blast finisher too but this will do.

Obtena.7952:

I never stated someone would not do something. In fact, I said they have been doing things this whole time, even if they aren’t posting in the forum.

Sure whatever you say.