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Group Quickness & 5 Might

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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With 100% boon duration, it’s 5 less stacks of might to worry about, so we might we some new might stackers, like scourge or rev.

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Posted by: Azoqu.8917

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And there it is, now you don’t have to worry to hard about hitting your entire group with Aegis off the mantra heal.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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And there it is, now you don’t have to worry to hard about hitting your entire group with Aegis off the mantra heal.

Now you have to worry about hitting them with this, which has the same range?

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Posted by: Vikkela.7261

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Wait what, range 300?

9 Guardians later…

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Posted by: Azoqu.8917

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And there it is, now you don’t have to worry to hard about hitting your entire group with Aegis off the mantra heal.

Now you have to worry about hitting them with this, which has the same range?

It’s true that the range is short, but at least it seems to be 360 and not a small cone in front of you.

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Posted by: Ragnarox.9601

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Designer of firebrand cant choose if its 300 ,600 cone or aoe. So many bad designed traits and skills. Such a mess. Wish mantras gave superspeed or swiftness on activation. But hey it feels like slow tank but it isnt(tank), support but it isnt (300 range), melee condi which probably is.

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

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The description heavily implies that it’s a cone. I can’t wait to hear the “ah mah gahd a 300 range cone is clunky” complaints from the people who like the Firebrand’s amazing design so much.

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Posted by: Mikau.6920

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300 range and only allies in front? The FB mantras will be useless…

Sorry for my english.

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Posted by: Azoqu.8917

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Looking at this again, and if what seems to be true turns out to be true, no one will use FB ever for quickness stacking. Since everything is forward facing and such short range, you will never hit everyone in your subgroup and the spec will be pointless for support and we’ll continue to live in the chrono meta (not surprised since Mesmer is Anets baby).

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Posted by: phokus.8934

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Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

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Posted by: phokus.8934

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Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

All mantras are not cones and the one’s that are specifically say “… in front of you.”

I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

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Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

All mantras are not cones and the one’s that are specifically say “… in front of you.”

If they aren’t cones, then half of them wouldn’t say “Do X/Y/Z to allies in front of you”, and they would also have a radius skill fact instead of a range skill fact. They’re definitely cones.

I’m glad they’re cones, just for the sake of spiting people who actually like the firebrand.

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Posted by: phokus.8934

phokus.8934

Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

All mantras are not cones and the one’s that are specifically say “… in front of you.”

If they aren’t cones, then half of them wouldn’t say “Do X/Y/Z to allies in front of you”, and they would also have a radius skill fact instead of a range skill fact. They’re definitely cones.

I’m glad they’re cones, just for the sake of spiting people who actually like the firebrand.

Maybe I’m being overly optimistic because Guardian/FB being frontline with short ranged attacks but yet the support mechanism is in a cone… it just doesn’t make sense and seems extremely short sighted and massively overlooked if that’s the case.

I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.

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Posted by: Ragnarox.9601

Ragnarox.9601

Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

All mantras are not cones and the one’s that are specifically say “… in front of you.”

If they aren’t cones, then half of them wouldn’t say “Do X/Y/Z to allies in front of you”, and they would also have a radius skill fact instead of a range skill fact. They’re definitely cones.

I’m glad they’re cones, just for the sake of spiting people who actually like the firebrand.

I dont think an ARK would save guardian subforum from all those tears in 4 days. 20% of pve guardians would still say that its fun

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

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If mantras and all that stuff are a cone, that would be amazingly stupid. A circle with 300 range radius would be fine, but the combination of cone and melee weapon would be a fail of epic proportions. We’ll see on Friday.

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

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Maybe I’m being overly optimistic because Guardian/FB being frontline with short ranged attacks but yet the support mechanism is in a cone… it just doesn’t make sense and seems extremely short sighted and massively overlooked if that’s the case.

It wouldn’t be the first part of the firebrand that’s short-sighted and overlooked. It’d be the part that makes most people defending the firebrand ultra buttmad though. I hope they’re cones just so I can bask in the tears.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

All mantras are not cones and the one’s that are specifically say “… in front of you.”

Have you seen one that is not a cone?

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Posted by: Manimarco Devil.1790

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Why not wait for the weekend to make sure? Then give feedback if it truly is awful. The idea that they are conal does not in and of itself make them terrible. If, for example, I have to face the direction I want to use the cone, then that makes it far worse.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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Why not wait for the weekend to make sure? Then give feedback if it truly is awful. The idea that they are conal does not in and of itself make them terrible. If, for example, I have to face the direction I want to use the cone, then that makes it far worse.

That’s how it works. It’s not ground-targeted, it’s the same as the staff auto, it’s a cone towards what you are facing. We have already seen the skills in action.

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Posted by: Azoqu.8917

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Why not wait for the weekend to make sure? Then give feedback if it truly is awful. The idea that they are conal does not in and of itself make them terrible. If, for example, I have to face the direction I want to use the cone, then that makes it far worse.

That’s how it works. It’s not ground-targeted, it’s the same as the staff auto, it’s a cone towards what you are facing. We have already seen the skills in action.

Oh god it does seem true. Why would anyone thing that Cone+Melee+Buffing is a good idea? When in melee you won’t hit your allies with the cone while buffing. This is “Receive the Light!” all over again, completely tedius to use because of the fact they refuse to make it 360 like “Wash Away the Pain!” (which has annoyed me ever since the Tempest preview where they showed off the fixed/better version of RtL in WatP).

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

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Receive the Light is fine because it’s 600 range (could probably be a bit more but eh). Melee-range cone support is not.

Of course I’m against more melee support in general because pretty much every addition of support in this game seems to be close-ranged now for some reason.

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Posted by: anonymous.7812

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All of the 240-360 range/aoe abilities seem lack-luster. Most of Revenant’s buffs are 600 aoe – why are these ones all over the place? Can’t wait to see the complaints this weekend about how hard these are to get off.

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Posted by: Mikau.6920

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If those are cone melee, all mantras will be useless. Receive the light is in the game with 600 range and already is bad, imagine 300 range.

These type of supporting skills (on front of you) only has a chance to work if you are behind your allies, why would they release with a melee weapon? And with Firebrand, the Scepter will be the only ranged weapon avaliable (Staff now is basically melee).

I was looking on Mesmer Mantra changes and I prefer that FB received them instead of the FB ones.

Anyways, let’s wait to try it live and see how wonky is.

I only hope that DH don’t become the only viable elite spec.

Sorry for my english.

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Posted by: ButcherofMalakir.4067

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obviusly it is worse/harder to use then if it was 360 around you but remeber that chrono provide quickness on a spot. It is just diferent limitation. If your group is not stacked properly they wont get quickness from chrono. With guardian it is the same, you can just stand on the other side of the boss right?

I think that 360 around you would be way too good. Just look at the rotation, to provide 100 percent quickness uptime you need to press 2 keys every 12 seconds (and maybe weapon swap before that)

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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obviusly it is worse/harder to use then if it was 360 around you but remeber that chrono provide quickness on a spot. It is just diferent limitation. If your group is not stacked properly they wont get quickness from chrono. With guardian it is the same, you can just stand on the other side of the boss right?

I think that 360 around you would be way too good. Just look at the rotation, to provide 100 percent quickness uptime you need to press 2 keys every 12 seconds (and maybe weapon swap before that)

Chrono doesn’t have anywhere near the same limitations. Well of Action can be placed at range and has a decent 240 radius, Tides of Time is a giant projectile with 600 range, and Signet of Inspiration has shout range.

The rotation you described also works only with 100% boon duration, which will murder our dps and make chrono a vastly superior choice.

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Posted by: ButcherofMalakir.4067

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it is true that chrono i not limited by range but still you need to be in specific position to get quickness from him (where others are). If everyone is spread out most of the quickness qill be wasted, same as in guardian case. I am not saying that its not a huge limitation or that it is better then chrono or anything. My point was that if firebrand quickness was 600 range 360 around you then your group wouldnt need to be on same spot which could be huge advantage for guardian. Thiw way he is kept in “check”.

If you dont have 100 boon duration you can cover gaps by feel my wrath and also some random aegis/stability that you provide with other spells might grant you buffer for times when you cannot provide reliable uptime.

part of the skill might maybe be to put rotate 180 degrees in your rotation which could be interesting

Also firebrand quickness is not tied to any weapon, you have 2 free traitlines and 2 free ultility slots. That means you can chose much more dps oriented build then chrono and your rotation is not destroyed by quickness stacking.

I am not saying that he will or wont be viable/competetive. I am just saying that the developers just cannot make firebrand without downsides.

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Posted by: phokus.8934

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So if there’s a downside there has to be an upside.

Where’s the upside?

I post from a phone so please excuse any references to ducks or any other auto corrections.

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Posted by: RabbitUp.8294

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it is true that chrono i not limited by range but still you need to be in specific position to get quickness from him (where others are). If everyone is spread out most of the quickness qill be wasted, same as in guardian case. I am not saying that its not a huge limitation or that it is better then chrono or anything. My point was that if firebrand quickness was 600 range 360 around you then your group wouldnt need to be on same spot which could be huge advantage for guardian. Thiw way he is kept in “check”.

Why do you go from 300 range cones to 600 radius AoE, like there’s no middle ground?
Having them be 450-600 range cones or 240 radius AoEs is perfectly fine.

Also firebrand quickness is not tied to any weapon, you have 2 free traitlines and 2 free ultility slots. That means you can chose much more dps oriented build then chrono and your rotation is not destroyed by quickness stacking.

Base guardian DPS is garbage, so you rely on firebrand to get good dps. Except that quickness stacking firebrand can’t choose any dps traits, besides the grandmaster, which are all pretty mediocre dps-wise.

I am not saying that he will or wont be viable/competetive. I am just saying that the developers just cannot make firebrand without downsides.

Firebrand is already a watered-down chrono, that’s a pretty big downside. Chrono is offering a lot more than just quickness.

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