Yes it would help a lot probably bring the old Hammer dps guardian back into meta once they fixed the smite condition bug. Guardian is in such a mediocre position right now its like A-net is blind to things. Other traints like force of will should be moved somewhere too or made adept so guardians are given more health so maybe bunker guardians can come back. You can’ t be a point contester with 13k health. There is just so many problems with Guardian right now and spvp is just infuriating. It wouldn’t take much to give us a chance but they aren’t interested in fixes that make sense. I really don’t want to play Dargon Hunter and even that is average at best even after the nerfs to revenant, Chrono, and Tempest. I would like to play my old bunker and medi dps specs plz and not be subpar.
If hammer and Glacial Heart are kept exactly as they are now, then the trait has no real impact on PVE and IMO should be treated as a PVP trait. As a PVP trait it makes sense in Valor or Virtues since they are the most often use trait lines for PVP, but that being said, I still wouldn’t being using Glacial Heart 90% of the time no matter where it was placed.
I would prefer to put that trait as a Major Master trait in Zeal tbh.
Meditation guardian usually take Zeal trait line anyway, so you could choose between the trait for GS or for Hammer depending on what you are playing. It would also work well in PvE since they also gonna take Zeal in that situation.
But I would also be happy if glacial heart was a Adept Virtue or a Master in Valor.
Then it would be usless for Dragonhunter. And without DH we have no chance for the same amount of power. Valor is the best option since Valor/Virtues/Dh is the most powerful setup for Guard
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If hammer and Glacial Heart are kept exactly as they are now, then the trait has no real impact on PVE and IMO should be treated as a PVP trait. As a PVP trait it makes sense in Valor or Virtues since they are the most often use trait lines for PVP, but that being said, I still wouldn’t being using Glacial Heart 90% of the time no matter where it was placed.
I would it is powerful but not usable in the current spot. It was a big part of a spec that was meta for like 6 months.
this is the build im currently using, and its been doing really well for me tbh. I can 1v1 just about anything effectively and in team fights it shines because of the hammer dps sustain and control.
For me Glacial heart doesn’t belong in virtues, it literally doesn’t make any sense, it has nothing to do with virtues at all lol. Hammer is still quite effective in SPvP it just takes more skill to use it i think, but glacial heart obviously would make it that much better.
Then it would be usless for Dragonhunter. And without DH we have no chance for the same amount of power. Valor is the best option since Valor/Virtues/Dh is the most powerful setup for Guard
Well I disagree. DH was super popular in the last months because of Trap and Longbow. But with recent nerf to the daze and as more and more people are learning how to not walking in traps like idiot, DH isn’t as mandotary as more power than other setup as it used to be. There is still unbalance between core guardian and DH like :
- Virtue of Resolve vs Wings of Resolve. Resolve used to have a passive regen of 84hp/sec that if you activate become 32hp/sec. It’s less powerful in active but give you a bigger heal when you are in trouble and heal allies. But wings of Resolve have the same passive, while the active is just WAY better. It’s heal at 130hp/sec so more heal than the passive and it heal allies. It’s just a strait upgrade, no balance into that.
- The Healing skill. Shelter heal for about 150hp/sec but it also block, Receive the Light! around 200 hp/sec but it also heal allies, Signet of Resolve heal for 250 hp/sec and do nothing else, while Purification heal for 412hp/sec and blind and does damage with the downside being that it need to be triggered to work fully (which isn’t that much of a problem).
So you are right that Glacial heart wouldn’t be that usefull because everybody want to use DH. But that real problem is the strait upgrade that pretty much all elite spec brought that kind of killed much of the diversity in the game.
I agree that it doesn’t belong into Virtues. You might want to look at this discussion.
However, there is absolutely no reason to move it to Valor aside from creating a bursty one trick pony Meditation build we already had in the past. Valor does neither provide great synergies with Hammer nor will it be a favourable set up for Guardians in the long run (e.g. Hammer actually needs a buff, but won’t ever see it when in Valor).
If it was moved I would either move it to Zeal or Honor. If it was moved to Zeal, they could rearrange traits and move Zealous Scepter to Virtues (Might on F1 synergizes quite well with Supreme Justice). If it was moved to Honor, they could switch it with Honorable Staff. I personally would prefer having it in Honor. Double blunt weapon Cleric, here I come!
The cooldown reduction doesn’t really change the weapon much in PVP and a 3s AOE chill on a 15s internal cooldown with a 50% on crit chance seems underwhelming.
The cooldown reduction doesn’t really change the weapon much in PVP and a 3s AOE chill on a 15s internal cooldown with a 50% on crit chance seems underwhelming.
It doesn’t make the hammer OP, but it’s a great addition.
Glacial Hearts give you an additional damage. The goal here is to trigger it with mighty blow, which give a 30% buff in damage to the skill. Additionally, the Chill is important for the guardian which have limited amount of mobility. It allow you to put those 1-2 additional attack before someone can get out of your range. It’s also unblockable.
And the cooldown reduction is actually nice. More immobilize, which help a lot with the low mobility of the guardian, the banish is a very powerful skill against downed players and the ring of warding is perfect to keep people into your symbols or smite.
This trait is what gave an edge to the Hammer build over the GS build back before the specialisation update that moved it.
I agree that it does fit best in Zeal, the only reason why i said valor was because in my honest opinion for spvp circumstances only
A) Guards are locked into Virtues, no ifs ands or buts it is simply to strong to not go into.
B) DH trait line has amazing synergy with virtues so again it almost becomes a must, i mean you can choose not to but you’re going to give up a substantial amount of sustainability.
C) Taking Zeal over Valour in this current meta would destroy you, there wouldn’t be enough condi cleanse. Again this is subject to change from meta to meta.
Either way though it seems that essentially every guardian lover in the game is screaming for hammer buffs and glacial heart relocation.
I agree that it does fit best in Zeal, the only reason why i said valor was because in my honest opinion for spvp circumstances only
A) Guards are locked into Virtues, no ifs ands or buts it is simply to strong to not go into.
B) DH trait line has amazing synergy with virtues so again it almost becomes a must, i mean you can choose not to but you’re going to give up a substantial amount of sustainability.
C) Taking Zeal over Valour in this current meta would destroy you, there wouldn’t be enough condi cleanse. Again this is subject to change from meta to meta.
Either way though it seems that essentially every guardian lover in the game is screaming for hammer buffs and glacial heart relocation.
I see it two ways.
1) The best option would be to rebalance all Elite Spec vs Core Specs. Because right now Elite are just too powerful compare to the core professions, which is nonsense if you ask me. If they do that, then the best spot for Glacial Hearts is Zeal because it will work for both PvE and PvP.
2) If they don’t plan at all to reblance Elite Spec vs Core Specs, then yes you are right better put Glacial Hearts in Valor Master. Because Hammer will still be good in PvE without Glacial hearts, while the Hammer in PvP need that trait and with a that poweful DH Spec, the only place you can put it is valor. Otherwise the relocation will be useless.
Make the guardian AA continue through the entire chain even if it doesn’t hit anything.
It would be a huge improvement & not without precedent as warrior AA chain on its hammer does this already.
I agree that it does fit best in Zeal, the only reason why i said valor was because in my honest opinion for spvp circumstances only
A) Guards are locked into Virtues, no ifs ands or buts it is simply to strong to not go into.
B) DH trait line has amazing synergy with virtues so again it almost becomes a must, i mean you can choose not to but you’re going to give up a substantial amount of sustainability.
C) Taking Zeal over Valour in this current meta would destroy you, there wouldn’t be enough condi cleanse. Again this is subject to change from meta to meta.
Either way though it seems that essentially every guardian lover in the game is screaming for hammer buffs and glacial heart relocation.
I see it two ways.
1) The best option would be to rebalance all Elite Spec vs Core Specs. Because right now Elite are just too powerful compare to the core professions, which is nonsense if you ask me. If they do that, then the best spot for Glacial Hearts is Zeal because it will work for both PvE and PvP.
2) If they don’t plan at all to reblance Elite Spec vs Core Specs, then yes you are right better put Glacial Hearts in Valor Master. Because Hammer will still be good in PvE without Glacial hearts, while the Hammer in PvP need that trait and with a that poweful DH Spec, the only place you can put it is valor. Otherwise the relocation will be useless.
And this is why they need to separate pve and pvp completely. Then they could look at every class and move around certain traits to other trait lines that make more sense for each game mode.
I agree that it doesn’t belong into Virtues. You might want to look at this discussion.
However, there is absolutely no reason to move it to Valor aside from creating a bursty one trick pony Meditation build we already had in the past. Valor does neither provide great synergies with Hammer nor will it be a favourable set up for Guardians in the long run (e.g. Hammer actually needs a buff, but won’t ever see it when in Valor).
If it was moved I would either move it to Zeal or Honor. If it was moved to Zeal, they could rearrange traits and move Zealous Scepter to Virtues (Might on F1 synergizes quite well with Supreme Justice). If it was moved to Honor, they could switch it with Honorable Staff. I personally would prefer having it in Honor. Double blunt weapon Cleric, here I come!
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Move it to Honor because it pairs well with Writ of Persistence or move it to Zeal because it pairs well with the symbol traits for hammer. Maybe it could switch with the master trait Kindled Zeal or Binding Jeopardy.
Honestly I think a swap in radiance with retribution ( retribution makes total sense in virtues with the retail and might give supreme justice some competition ) or in valor , swap with communal defenses.
in addition…
- please bring back Mighty Blow +JI combo
- change Mighty Blow baseline to ~1750 to make it a viable option instead of LB
