Guild Wars 2

Now this is not a thread where i am going to whine about mesmers. I’m just going to ask you a question. I have been playing bunker for a few days now and tried several builds. I use sceptre/shield – hammer (Looks like nobody else uses it?) because i had more succes with these weapons then mace/shield – GS. I use the MASSIVE amounts of CC (on sort of low CD) to avoid damage instead of using mace 2 or GS 2 to regen. I have noticed i can survive a good amount of time against any class except for the mesmer. I lose 1v1 most of the time and sometimes i already die withing ~15 sec.

My question.
Is this normal or is this a l2 play issue for me?

Edit: putting l2p followed by issue will replace with “kitten” xD

L2p. Get used to fighting Mesmer’s and learn their tricks. Its pretty straight froward win everytime after.

Know your enemy.

KensaiZen.3740:

L2p. Get used to fighting Mesmer’s and learn their tricks. Its pretty straight froward win everytime after.

Know your enemy.

Hmm, yea. I thought so too. I heard dodging into the clones is the most important move to avoid shatter damage. Now i do know the enemy, because i have a lot of matches on my engineer and i only PvP. Maybe i should just l2p with the guardian, which i am new with xD

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

DDog.4350:

Now this is not a thread where i am going to whine about mesmers. I’m just going to ask you a question. I have been playing bunker for a few days now and tried several builds. I use sceptre/shield – hammer (Looks like nobody else uses it?) because i had more succes with these weapons then mace/shield – GS. I use the MASSIVE amounts of CC (on sort of low CD) to avoid damage instead of using mace 2 or GS 2 to regen. I have noticed i can survive a good amount of time against any class except for the mesmer. I lose 1v1 most of the time and sometimes i already die withing ~15 sec.

My question.
Is this normal or is this a l2 play issue for me?

Edit: putting l2p followed by issue will replace with “kitten” xD

Are you talking about wvw or spvp?

sceptor + shield / staff works pretty well for wvw if you travel with zergs.

DeathPanel.8362:

DDog.4350:

Now this is not a thread where i am going to whine about mesmers. I’m just going to ask you a question. I have been playing bunker for a few days now and tried several builds. I use sceptre/shield – hammer (Looks like nobody else uses it?) because i had more succes with these weapons then mace/shield – GS. I use the MASSIVE amounts of CC (on sort of low CD) to avoid damage instead of using mace 2 or GS 2 to regen. I have noticed i can survive a good amount of time against any class except for the mesmer. I lose 1v1 most of the time and sometimes i already die withing ~15 sec.

My question.
Is this normal or is this a l2 play issue for me?

Edit: putting l2p followed by issue will replace with “kitten” xD

Are you talking about wvw or spvp?

sceptor + shield / staff works pretty well for wvw if you travel with zergs.

sPvP

DDog.4350:

DeathPanel.8362:

DDog.4350:

Now this is not a thread where i am going to whine about mesmers. I’m just going to ask you a question. I have been playing bunker for a few days now and tried several builds. I use sceptre/shield – hammer (Looks like nobody else uses it?) because i had more succes with these weapons then mace/shield – GS. I use the MASSIVE amounts of CC (on sort of low CD) to avoid damage instead of using mace 2 or GS 2 to regen. I have noticed i can survive a good amount of time against any class except for the mesmer. I lose 1v1 most of the time and sometimes i already die withing ~15 sec.

My question.
Is this normal or is this a l2 play issue for me?

Edit: putting l2p followed by issue will replace with “kitten” xD

Are you talking about wvw or spvp?

sceptor + shield / staff works pretty well for wvw if you travel with zergs.

sPvP

I’d say your current weapon setup isn’t bad for spvp.

Mesmers are freaking annoying, if they’re stacking up confusion on you, get ready to cleanse yourself with Smite Condition or wait until Purity/Signet of Resolve ticks in.

When they mass pop clones, wait a bit and figure which one is the real one, clones don’t dodge, don’t move sideways, don’t jump, they only stand still and attack.
Players are usually constantly moving so it’s easy to get the real one. If he’s faking, just go in the middle of all clones and start attacking and you’ll see him running away pretty quick.

I don’t know much about other weapons but try to avoid their Illusionist, always.
Greatsword is the one I’m most familiar with, when they raise the Sword above their heads and there’s a purple beam on you, it’s a sign the iBerserker is coming. Dodge right away and avoid a 1k~3k damage.
Illusions take a long time to recharge so you can easily kill them or just move out to avoid most of the damage.

So take your time and learn the Illusions of each weapon, they’re the most damaging skills they have (other than Shatter).

Shatter is also easily avoidable, since you can see it coming when the clones are all running towards you… run towards them and dodge, block if you can’t, or teleport to the real mesmer when they’re close (he should be far from them).

Fighting Mesmers is sorta trick because if you can avoid these damages, their damage will be severely kitten but they have to many ways to escape that you’d have a hard time actually getting a kill on one who knows how to run away.

Most of my experience is from WvW so maybe you have a better luck since you’re defending/attacking points in sPvP, and they’ll have to choose between standing on point or running away…

Danicco.3568:

Mesmers are freaking annoying, if they’re stacking up confusion on you, get ready to cleanse yourself with Smite Condition or wait until Purity/Signet of Resolve ticks in.

When they mass pop clones, wait a bit and figure which one is the real one, clones don’t dodge, don’t move sideways, don’t jump, they only stand still and attack.
Players are usually constantly moving so it’s easy to get the real one. If he’s faking, just go in the middle of all clones and start attacking and you’ll see him running away pretty quick.

I don’t know much about other weapons but try to avoid their Illusionist, always.
Greatsword is the one I’m most familiar with, when they raise the Sword above their heads and there’s a purple beam on you, it’s a sign the iBerserker is coming. Dodge right away and avoid a 1k~3k damage.
Illusions take a long time to recharge so you can easily kill them or just move out to avoid most of the damage.

So take your time and learn the Illusions of each weapon, they’re the most damaging skills they have (other than Shatter).

Shatter is also easily avoidable, since you can see it coming when the clones are all running towards you… run towards them and dodge, block if you can’t, or teleport to the real mesmer when they’re close (he should be far from them).

Fighting Mesmers is sorta trick because if you can avoid these damages, their damage will be severely kitten but they have to many ways to escape that you’d have a hard time actually getting a kill on one who knows how to run away.

Most of my experience is from WvW so maybe you have a better luck since you’re defending/attacking points in sPvP, and they’ll have to choose between standing on point or running away…

Thanks for the response. I have decided to replace my scepter with the mace but keep the hammer (no GS). Rolling into the clones seems to be a big success. Most of the time i avoid 2 mind wracks sometimes even all 3 of them. (lot of people seem to forget that the mind wrack also triggers from themself, i think every shatter mes traits for that?) From this point they will start auto-attacking a lot and eventually kill themself because i have retaliation up for almost 100% of the time. So i think i am making progress as a guardian.

I just keep on playing the guardian to learn everything about their skills. People tell me it is possible to survive 2 attackers but i guess this is another l2 play issue. I noticed yesterday in a 1v1 that the enemy just CANT kill me, he eventually even ran away because he noticed it was a waste of his time. This makes me feel good :p

I much prefer hammer vs a mes to a gs. MB can pop illusions very quickly.

Mesmer has some serious mechanical weaknesses as well… if you dodge/block/blind when they do summoning of their phantoms… they don’t even appear… that makes them the ONLY class where multi hitting/aoe attacks don’t even occur due to a single dodge/block/blind. RoW can stop the illusions from getting to you and so can the knockback from the shield if you time it correctly (they’ll just wind up commiting suicide out of range). You can also outrun the clones and they’ll just pop.

If you’re goal is to play a full-bunker then the following weapon-sets are pretty good:
sword-shield, mace-focus.

Mabye this explanation from Danto can bring you forward. It’s pretty good explained and is for a start a good build to run with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg1pxWk8MSw

Hope it helps

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

If you’re goal is to play a full-bunker then the following weapon-sets are pretty good:
sword-shield, mace-focus.

Mabye this explanation from Danto can bring you forward. It’s pretty good explained and is for a start a good build to run with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg1pxWk8MSw

Hope it helps

Ah, Very Very nice. I was looking in the list of streamers in the PvP forums to see what builds popular players are using. I was looking at danto’s and found that the sword/shield can reflect projectile’s. Exactly something i need, so i decided to try this when i get home ( at work atm xD ). Thanks for the youtube link, going to watch it for sure