Guild Wars 2

hei im looking for a supp(boon) but at the same time good dps build what do u guys suggest me to use?

shameless.4728:

hei im looking for a supp(boon) but at the same time good dps build what do u guys suggest me to use?

Character select → Choose Race → Choose Profession → Warrior

I’m not joking, unfortunately. There’s nothing that Guardians do that Warriors don’t do better, except for Reflects. Warrior trait design allows for much more effective support/DPS builds. While Warrior doesn’t have a reflect, you really only need 1-2 professions with access to a reflect per group and those can be achieved by Guardians, Mesmers, and Thieves (sort of).

I’ve been leveling my Warrior through Fractals to join by Guardian who’s at 48+ and, frankly, I’m surprised I waited so long. Warrior is just hands down the superior profession.

(Before the Forum Warriors raid this thread: I am not saying Warrior is OP. I think Warrior is awesome. I think Warrior is in a great place. I wish all classes were on its level)

Look in this thread for hammer the details:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Fractals-LF-high-lvl-build

Here are some meta builds for dungeons and high level fractals:

Classic meta Sword/Focus + GS DPS guard fractal/dungeon meta. It still brings all the utility you’d expect from a guard but with a nice punch.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQNAsdRlUg6CHFyMEfIFSODRCBtZAQHUVh4BrAGB-jwxAYfBRiAIVIQJvioxWcLiGruGT5SEVDA-e

other variant of this build(just moves 5 kill points into radiance):
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQNAsdRlUg6CHFyMEfIFSmCRCBteAQHk/UVIewKgRA-jwxAYfBRiAIVIQJvioxWcLiGruGT5SEVDA-e

Classic Hammer build for high level fractals. Good for pugging, or if your group needs perma protection. My groups runs two guards and one of us runs this build.(Generally the other guard )

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQJARSlUg6CHFyMEfIFSmCRCBtPAQ1HiHMFYkHB-jgxAY/ARFCUyrIasF3ioxqrxUuER1A-e

EDIT: And ignore Kilandros. Guardians are always used in high level fractals. Hell DnT brings two a lot in their high level runs.

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

He didn’t say not to bring warriors. You need to read better. What he is saying is that guards bring stuff warriors can’t. So your post about replacing guards with warriors is asinine. Both are needed.

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

It’s almost as if you can take a mix of professions, to fit the needs of the party.

Never mind, I forgot you have to pick one profession to fill all 5 spots. What was I thinking!

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

He didn’t say not to bring warriors. You need to read better. What he is saying is that guards bring stuff warriors can’t. So your post about replacing guards with warriors is asinine. Both are needed.

My post isn’t asinine at all, actually. And while we’re on the topic of reading comprehension, please re-read my post under the OP in which I explicitly state that Guardians have access to Reflects and that Warriors do not—but also that other classes besides Guardian also have access to Reflects and missile absorption. The point, which was apparently lost, is that Guardians offer nothing unique in high-level FoTM; they excel at neither DPS nor support, and their one claim to fame—Reflects—are not exclusive to the class.

Most serious FoTM groups consist of 3 Warriors minimum. That’s because Warriors offer superior DPS and Support, and they do so with ease. Yes, Guardians have Reflects are Reflects are important. But that’s a utility, and you don’t need more than 1-2 Guardians (MAX) providing that utility. OP said he wants to contribute both DPS and Support and so far I’ve been the most honest with him on how best to achieve that.

I has been said a couple of time already but Guardian with Sw/Fc – GS can maintain one of the highest DPS (Pretty sure it’s better than War Axe auto attack) with auto attack. But to achieve high DPS, Guardian need to rely on his team for fury/Might because they are not good at self buff’ing compared to warriors. They also provide Aegis to party which in fight like Lupicus, or if you are melee’ing fractal bosses are total game changer.

Biggest downside though, when using Zerker gear with a classic 15/30/0/X/X you become extremely squishy (11k HP, 2100 Armor), as much as a Ele/Thief. Pretty much every boss in FoTM past lvl 28 will one shot you. Same for some dungeon bosses. It’s a very hard gameplay to learn at first.

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

It’s almost as if you can take a mix of professions, to fit the needs of the party.

Never mind, I forgot you have to pick one profession to fill all 5 spots. What was I thinking!

Truly ironic considering your reply to my post.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

EDIT: And ignore Kilandros. Guardians are always used in high level fractals. Hell DnT brings two a lot in their high level runs.

I’ve said it before in previous threads, and I’ll say it again here: Reflects are the ONLY reason Guardians are still relevant in higher level FoTM.

Do you really want to counsel someone down the grueling path of leveling through Fractals on his Guardian because of a couple of utility skills? I don’t. There are more than enough Guardians sitting at 48+ to fill the 1-2 max Guardians per party. I’d much rather recommend someone put their energy into a class that is in much higher demand and for a number of reasons.

But that’s just me. I’m just a caring and considerate dude.

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

It’s almost as if you can take a mix of professions, to fit the needs of the party.

Never mind, I forgot you have to pick one profession to fill all 5 spots. What was I thinking!

Truly ironic considering your reply to my post.

No, I just don’t have the patience to explain to someone why guardians are amazing at high level fractals, when you seem to have no idea about them. I played my guardian up to fractal lvl80, I’ve seen the difference guardians make, and so have my friends who have done it without a guardian or two.

Guardians maintain permanent protection, strong reflect up time and have good control, vuln and DPS (lol @ you saying guardians do bad DPS). They are a far superior choice than a Mesmer, unless you want to include the mimic gimic. Other classes do not have the same utility or reflect up time as guardians.

@OP, 10/25/0/5/25. This leaves you with 5 points to put where you please. Zeal for vuln on symbols (good for trash in combination with hammer, mainly dredge fractal), Radiance for RHS, good for scepter and sword (mostly for boss stomping), Honor for shout cooldowns, or Virtues for some reason that I’m sure you could justify. For this trait set you usually want to have x/focus + GS, swapping GS out for hammer or staff whenever you need the utility from those weapons.

Alternatively, there is 15/15/0/20/20. This is a very powerful guardian build, as long as your party remains melee and you don’t mind camping hammer (you should probably learn to like hammer). Hammer+Staff is the general weapon set you’ll want for this trait spread.

Obal from DnT has some very good, helpful guides related to guardian in high level fractals. I’d recommend checking out some of his stuff.

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

High reflect and prot uptime in higher fractals is just such a game changer. Warriors aren’t any good at providing those.

True. Warriors unfortunately are only good at stacking might, banners, sustain, and dps.

Oh right those are game changers too

It’s almost as if you can take a mix of professions, to fit the needs of the party.

Never mind, I forgot you have to pick one profession to fill all 5 spots. What was I thinking!

Truly ironic considering your reply to my post.

No, I just don’t have the patience to explain to someone why guardians are amazing at high level fractals, when you seem to have no idea about them. I played my guardian up to fractal lvl80, I’ve seen the difference guardians make, and so have my friends who have done it without a guardian or two.

Guardians maintain permanent protection, strong reflect up time and have good control, vuln and DPS (lol @ you saying guardians do bad DPS). They are a far superior choice than a Mesmer, unless you want to include the mimic gimic. Other classes do not have the same utility or reflect up time as guardians.

@OP, 10/25/0/5/25. This leaves you with 5 points to put where you please. Zeal for vuln on symbols (good for trash in combination with hammer, mainly dredge fractal), Radiance for RHS, good for scepter and sword (mostly for boss stomping), Honor for shout cooldowns, or Virtues for some reason that I’m sure you could justify. For this trait set you usually want to have x/focus + GS, swapping GS out for hammer or staff whenever you need the utility from those weapons.

Alternatively, there is 15/15/0/20/20. This is a very powerful guardian build, as long as your party remains melee and you don’t mind camping hammer (you should probably learn to like hammer). Hammer+Staff is the general weapon set you’ll want for this trait spread.

Obal from DnT has some very good, helpful guides related to guardian in high level fractals. I’d recommend checking out some of his stuff.

Please find and quote where I say Guardians do “Bad” Dps. Please.

Kilandros.2098:

Please find and quote where I say Guardians do “Bad” Dps. Please.

Kilandros.2098:

they excel at neither DPS nor support

I used hyperbole, but point stands. Guardians excel at both of these. Anyway, I’ll stop helping people who don’t understand guardians, to derail the thread. Good luck OP, hope the information was helpful.

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

they excel at neither DPS nor support

Guardians excel at both of these.

Excel: Verb. Be exceptionally good at an activity or subject.

You take the quote entirely out of context—Warriors are superior at providing Support and DPS. Do you dispute that claim? Do you honestly believe Guardians may as easily achieve strong DPS/Support hybrid builds as Warriors can?

You seem to have completely misunderstood my ongoing posts here. In some weird nervous reaction you run to defend Guardian when it isn’t really under attack in the first place. Are Guardians capable of leveling through Fractals and contributing to groups? Absolutely. As you yourself claim you’ve managed to reached level 80 Fractals (I am, however, skeptical on that claim). That’s fantastic for you. I know several people who have leveled Rangers through Fractals, too. But that doesn’t mean I’d ever post recommendations that people push Rangers through higher-level Fractals. On the contrary, when I spend time posting, it’s usually to help other players out.

And that’s precisely what I’m doing here; helping a player out. If OP wants to offer easy support and DPS, his best bet is Warrior. If, on the other hand, he wants to offer 1-2 utility skills and excellent DPS at the expense of being squishy with a low HP pool—well, you’ve made a good case for him to choose Guardian on those merits.

Kilandros.2098:

Warriors are superior at providing Support and DPS. Do you dispute that claim? Do you honestly believe Guardians may as easily achieve strong DPS/Support hybrid builds as Warriors can?

Guardians can deal equal or superior DPS to warriors with minimal effort. Guardians provide defensive support, warriors provide offensive support. Guardian rotation is 90% of the time spamming 1, warrior rotation has more involved than that. Sure, guardians are squishy, but their defensive utility more than compensates, and isn’t such a big deal after you practice for a while. I’ll put it in really simple terms for you.

Warrior buffs guardian, guardian buffs warrior. Team much buff, very damage, such defense, difficulty easy.

‘Princess Cookie’ – Death and Taxes [DnT]. Pm me and I’ll show you my lvl80 fractal.

Edit : COOOOOOKIE knows it.

On the other hand, I’m pretty sure sword Autoattack is even better than warrior Axes autoattack when buffed. And the Aegis is awesome, even in dungeon like Arah when melee’ing lupicus. However I do agree that warrior is overall better, the bigger healthpool is often the difference between a Guardian getting one shot and a warrior being able to tank 2 hits. Also you don’t have to rely on your team for Fury/Might buff, you can self buff very easily.

And running trash with a warrior is god blessed, Greatsword make skipping much easier for warrior.

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

Warriors are superior at providing Support and DPS. Do you dispute that claim? Do you honestly believe Guardians may as easily achieve strong DPS/Support hybrid builds as Warriors can?

Guardians can deal equal or superior DPS to warriors with minimal effort. Guardians provide defensive support, warriors provide offensive support. Guardian rotation is 90% of the time spamming 1, warrior rotation has more involved than that. Sure, guardians are squishy, but their defensive utility more than compensates, and isn’t such a big deal after you practice for a while. I’ll put it in really simple terms for you.

Warrior buffs guardian, guardian buffs warrior. Team much buff, very damage, such defense, difficulty easy.

‘Princess Cookie’ – Death and Taxes [DnT]. Pm me and I’ll show you my lvl80 fractal.

Congratulations I guess for being among the few who bothered past the 50s via (fixed) methods like Pets/Revive Orbs. Not something I’d brag about, but to each his own.

Clearly we’re at an impasse here. My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

Kilandros.2098:

My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

I main a warrior, I hate playing guardian because it’s boring. I’m just not letting my personal preference skew the reality of classes. I can accept and acknowledge the merits of each class, and judge what they bring to the table in context of the rest of their kit, relative to other classes. I think guardians are extremely powerful for fractals, I just hate playing it, I would much rather play my warrior because it’s more fun (see: opinion/personal preference), and is also very powerful. I have friends who hate warrior and love guardian, so it’s not like guardian is just boring to play for everyone.

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

I main a warrior, I hate playing guardian because it’s boring. I’m just not letting my personal preference skew the reality of classes. I can accept and acknowledge the merits of each class, and judge what they bring to the table in context of the rest of their kit, relative to other classes. I think guardians are extremely powerful for fractals, I just hate playing it, I would much rather play my warrior because it’s more fun (see: opinion/personal preference), and is also very powerful. I have friends who hate warrior and love guardian, so it’s not like guardian is just boring to play for everyone.

I’m the exact opposite. I main a Guardian. I’ve done a thousand Fractals on my Guardian. I have always and will always see myself as “maining” a Guard, but, as you say, I don’t let personal preference skew the reality of the class. Warrior is, I think, the superior all-around profession right now—and is, I think, objectively superior at bringing easy Support and DPS to groups.

Anyway, good talk. See you out there.

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

I main a warrior, I hate playing guardian because it’s boring. I’m just not letting my personal preference skew the reality of classes. I can accept and acknowledge the merits of each class, and judge what they bring to the table in context of the rest of their kit, relative to other classes. I think guardians are extremely powerful for fractals, I just hate playing it, I would much rather play my warrior because it’s more fun (see: opinion/personal preference), and is also very powerful. I have friends who hate warrior and love guardian, so it’s not like guardian is just boring to play for everyone.

I’m the exact opposite. I main a Guardian. I’ve done a thousand Fractals on my Guardian. I have always and will always see myself as “maining” a Guard, but, as you say, I don’t let personal preference skew the reality of the class. Warrior is, I think, the superior all-around profession right now—and is, I think, objectively superior at bringing easy Support and DPS to groups.

Anyway, good talk. See you out there.

Before you slink away, why don’t you retract your statement of guardians not excelling at dps or support? Reflects, aegis and hammer symbol actually give the group the opportunity to apply strong dps full stop and fully buffed guardian dps is superior to warrior, and I’m sure people will be happy to show you the numbers if you don’t want to believe it at face value.

colesy.8490:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

I main a warrior, I hate playing guardian because it’s boring. I’m just not letting my personal preference skew the reality of classes. I can accept and acknowledge the merits of each class, and judge what they bring to the table in context of the rest of their kit, relative to other classes. I think guardians are extremely powerful for fractals, I just hate playing it, I would much rather play my warrior because it’s more fun (see: opinion/personal preference), and is also very powerful. I have friends who hate warrior and love guardian, so it’s not like guardian is just boring to play for everyone.

I’m the exact opposite. I main a Guardian. I’ve done a thousand Fractals on my Guardian. I have always and will always see myself as “maining” a Guard, but, as you say, I don’t let personal preference skew the reality of the class. Warrior is, I think, the superior all-around profession right now—and is, I think, objectively superior at bringing easy Support and DPS to groups.

Anyway, good talk. See you out there.

Before you slink away, why don’t you retract your statement of guardians not excelling at dps or support? Reflects, aegis and hammer symbol actually give the group the opportunity to apply strong dps full stop and fully buffed guardian dps is superior to warrior, and I’m sure people will be happy to show you the numbers if you don’t want to believe it at face value.

Because I am not going to retract my claim that Warriors bring superior Support + DPS at the same time than Guardians do.

Not the response you were hoping for?

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

I main a warrior, I hate playing guardian because it’s boring. I’m just not letting my personal preference skew the reality of classes. I can accept and acknowledge the merits of each class, and judge what they bring to the table in context of the rest of their kit, relative to other classes. I think guardians are extremely powerful for fractals, I just hate playing it, I would much rather play my warrior because it’s more fun (see: opinion/personal preference), and is also very powerful. I have friends who hate warrior and love guardian, so it’s not like guardian is just boring to play for everyone.

I’m the exact opposite. I main a Guardian. I’ve done a thousand Fractals on my Guardian. I have always and will always see myself as "maining" a Guard, but, as you say, I don’t let personal preference skew the reality of the class. Warrior is, I think, the superior all-around profession right now--and is, I think, objectively superior at bringing easy Support and DPS to groups.

Anyway, good talk. See you out there.

Well, you just seem to have not learned much about guardians in all that (wasted?) playtime then.
On a side note: Get one elementalist into your team and guardians are starting to out-dps warriors. One warrior is enough to take care of banners, two are the maximum of bringing buffs. Beyond that they simply become subpar.

Anicetus.1253:

Kilandros.2098:

hybrid.5027:

Kilandros.2098:

My recommendation is you start running Fractals on your Warrior (like I’ve been doing) and we’ll talk.

I main a warrior, I hate playing guardian because it’s boring. I’m just not letting my personal preference skew the reality of classes. I can accept and acknowledge the merits of each class, and judge what they bring to the table in context of the rest of their kit, relative to other classes. I think guardians are extremely powerful for fractals, I just hate playing it, I would much rather play my warrior because it’s more fun (see: opinion/personal preference), and is also very powerful. I have friends who hate warrior and love guardian, so it’s not like guardian is just boring to play for everyone.

I’m the exact opposite. I main a Guardian. I’ve done a thousand Fractals on my Guardian. I have always and will always see myself as “maining” a Guard, but, as you say, I don’t let personal preference skew the reality of the class. Warrior is, I think, the superior all-around profession right now—and is, I think, objectively superior at bringing easy Support and DPS to groups.

Anyway, good talk. See you out there.

Well, you just seem to have not learned much about guardians in all that (wasted?) playtime then.

Yeah, and apparently I haven’t learned the moral behind the saying “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink” either

Also, nice strawman argument. You should look that up.

Trice.4598:

Biggest downside though, when using Zerker gear with a classic 15/30/0/X/X you become extremely squishy (11k HP, 2100 Armor), as much as a Ele/Thief. Pretty much every boss in FoTM past lvl 28 will one shot you. Same for some dungeon bosses. It’s a very hard gameplay to learn at first.

Blasphemy.

Well, this thread was quite good comedy. Other than that, Cat Has Ducks said all the necessary stuff in the second answer (including his edit, ofc).