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Posted by: Irsei.6802

Irsei.6802

Well after watching the twitch cast.. if what they showed was the only guardian buffs… well I am prob going to move over to my warrior and re do all the gear I allready have on my guardian.

buffs were small and a joke to say the least. I am waiting to see how much they are going to buff warriors.. if there shouts get more powerfull they will be the best healing..support..spike dps and great bleed class all in one!

So anyone else just plain disgusted with how they dont think guardians need help when warriors are just plain better heavy armor class period.

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Posted by: CptAurellian.9537

CptAurellian.9537

Funny. Looks a bit like some kind of mirror image to this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-play-anything-besides-guardian/first

Warning! This post may contain traces of irony, sarcasm and peanuts.

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Posted by: Interceptor.2653

Interceptor.2653

Never change, forums.

Let’s wait for the patch notes?

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Posted by: Deathmond.7328

Deathmond.7328

I am very angry too…
any changes too Spirit weapons \ Sword skills \Shield Skills…
I think that Anet must fire people who work on the balance of classes and skills…they work poorly!

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Posted by: Irsei.6802

Irsei.6802

Funny. Looks a bit like some kind of mirror image to this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-play-anything-besides-guardian/first

LOL sorry but read it and they are just being stupid. Passive healing… warrior wins… shout heals now heal for a great amount for a aoe. Great buffs with banners. Higher health pool to take advantage of the best passive healing in game! Best burst dps in game. Condition spec is super dangerous.

Guardians have protetion.. which is only up a very small % of the time.. I will take a passive 400hps heal with no healing over our protection.

If more was comming to guardians they would have talked about it in the pod cast but they were so illiterate about guardians one of the skills they buffed they couldn’t even find it….

It is obvious the devs dont care and are just plain ignoring guardian problems.. just wish I would have known that guardians would be the forgotten class (ever game ends up with 1 class that is obvious the black sheep no dev cares about) so I could have put all my time into making gear and farming gear for my Warrior. But hey after having to play 2 x as hard to keep a guardian competitive I feel like I am on easy mode when I play my warrior who is less equip t.

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Posted by: Irsei.6802

Irsei.6802

wow warrior buffs are massive.. one little nerf to stun but who cares… just listening to the devs talk about warriors will make a guardian sick.. they know all about them and are talking about how this or that needed help why they buffed the item… quality of life yaadaa yaadaa… while when they talked about guardians it was like they were just trying to get past it…

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

Harbinger.8637

They said during the stream, they didn’t show and talk about everything. So calm down and wait until tomorrow.

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Posted by: Kyle.3856

Kyle.3856

Just in case anyone is curious but not able to watch the vid for Guard the changes they showed off were:
All meditations are instant.
Focused Mind grants fury when a meditation is cast.
Purging flames cures 3 conditions now and reduces duration of incoming conditions.
Hallowed ground also increases boon duration now.
Chill has a new visual effect.

Most of which we already knew…

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Posted by: Donut.6914

Donut.6914

Are you crazy? We actually get some consistent and reliable accesses to fury, and you’re complaining? My Guardian can already heal better and take more damage than any Warrior, but now I can make use of my +30% crit damage with constant fury. This patch is huge, at least for me.

Either way, how about you way for the patch notes, huh? The devs said like 100 times that they didn’t mention all the changes, just be patient.

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Posted by: Mikau.6920

Mikau.6920

Focused Mind grants 3 sec of fury. So it is basically… USELESS.

Sorry for my english.

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Posted by: Azure.8670

Azure.8670

guardians got buffed I dont know if this is a joke or not

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Posted by: Donut.6914

Donut.6914

Focused Mind grants 3 sec of fury. So it is basically… USELESS.

Karl had 4 1/2 seconds in the tooltip and I think he had +20% boon duration. I have +50% which would make it around 5 seconds at least. 5 seconds of fury every 18 seconds (from Smite Condition) alone is enough for me to land all my burst. Throw in the extra 5 seconds each from 2 other meditations, and that’s pretty huge.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

Harbinger.8637

Focused Mind grants 3 sec of fury. So it is basically… USELESS.

Karl had 4 1/2 seconds in the tooltip and I think he had +20% boon duration. I have +50% which would make it around 5 seconds at least. 5 seconds of fury every 18 seconds (from Smite Condition) alone is enough for me to land all my burst. Throw in the extra 5 seconds each from 2 other meditations, and that’s pretty huge.

Also you can factor in Inner Fire, and runes. So Guards will have plenty of fury if you choose so.

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

Karl had 4 1/2 seconds in the tooltip and I think he had +20% boon duration. I have +50% which would make it around 5 seconds at least. 5 seconds of fury every 18 seconds (from Smite Condition) alone is enough for me to land all my burst. Throw in the extra 5 seconds each from 2 other meditations, and that’s pretty huge.

For WvW 10/30/30 burst builds I can see this as being pretty pro. For dungeon play, it is quite underwhelming.

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Posted by: Brutaly.6257

Brutaly.6257

I have no issues with the changes to guardian from a stand alone point of view.

What i find weird is the buff to warriors. The change to staggernig blow with the motivation that it felt clunky would also fit into ring of warding.

The same goes for the trait change to shout traits. The reason for that was that a warrior couldnt use all shout related traits and at the same time they buffed the healing by a huge margin. 25% more heals and considerably better scaling with healing power. So basically we are talking about 7k burst aoe heal while removing conditions (rune of soldier) for my warrior. Combine that with 500 passive regen.

I think our symbol traits definitely should fall under the category of “clunky and awkward” or that you cant invest in all of them if you chose symbol weapons, its 55 points.

Also a huge boost to both necro and thief and aoe condition capability. Like it was needed.

9 sec of fury is just silly tbh compared to that, the above forces guardians even more to build for condition removal and its kind of tellling when we look at the build they used to demonstrate the changes to guardian.

As been said above, this wasnt everything but that clearly said it was the high lights and frankly if they dont adress zeal, spirit weapons or symboltraits that havent even been into these parts of the forum.

If anything meditations got less viable due to even more conditions flying around. Im not even sure its a relative boost to a x/30/30/x/x build compared to what necro, warriors and thiefs got.

I usually try to stay positive but i dont think positive is particularly realistic approach atm. If the stream accurately displays the overall major changes i think Anet is very disconnected from their own game.

I hope i dont get my “hopes” fulfilled tomorrow.

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Posted by: Relentliss.2170

Relentliss.2170

I am going to level my warrior. Its clearly better in every way now.

3 sec of fury is a kittenn joke.

I can’t fathom what game these people are working on. Warriors and Necros are clearly king of the heap and get more love in this patch. Warriors in particular get an incredible boost to their shouts that far surpasses any other aoe heal in the game.

Its clear they spent a lot of time and programming on these two classes and then gave everyone else the left overs.

Passive healing – its clear these people failed maths. I would need to have Hold the Line be a passive Aura to have it be on par with Warrior.

We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional

Anet lied (where’s the Manifesto now?)

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Posted by: Brutaly.6257

Brutaly.6257

I am going to level my warrior. Its clearly better in every way now.

3 sec of fury is a kittenn joke.

I feel kind of alright atm, i have thief, necro, ranger, warrior and mesmer at 80 with full exotics. So i can at least have fun tomorrow night.

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Posted by: Irsei.6802

Irsei.6802

I have no issues with the changes to guardian from a stand alone point of view.

What i find weird is the buff to warriors. The change to staggernig blow with the motivation that it felt clunky would also fit into ring of warding.

The same goes for the trait change to shout traits. The reason for that was that a warrior couldnt use all shout related traits and at the same time they buffed the healing by a huge margin. 25% more heals and considerably better scaling with healing power. So basically we are talking about 7k burst aoe heal while removing conditions (rune of soldier) for my warrior. Combine that with 500 passive regen.

I think our symbol traits definitely should fall under the category of “clunky and awkward” or that you cant invest in all of them if you chose symbol weapons, its 55 points.

Also a huge boost to both necro and thief and aoe condition capability. Like it was needed.

9 sec of fury is just silly tbh compared to that, the above forces guardians even more to build for condition removal and its kind of tellling when we look at the build they used to demonstrate the changes to guardian.

As been said above, this wasnt everything but that clearly said it was the high lights and frankly if they dont adress zeal, spirit weapons or symboltraits.

If anything meditations got less viable due to even more conditions flying around. Im not even sure its a relative boost to a x/30/30/x/x build compared to what necro, warriors and thiefs got.

I usually try to stay positive but i dont think positive is particularly realistic approach atm. If the stream accurately displays the overall major changes i think Anet is very disconnected from their own game.

I hope i dont get my “hopes” fulfilled tomorrow.

You hit the nail on the head…. why pick a guardian for support.. ohh a couple of cheesy abilities which you can really go without. While bring a warrior and wow now Warriors get more use out of heal gear then Guardians…. wow and Like I said before.. just watch the video and see how excited the devs were while talking warrior.. and see how dead they were when talking about guardians… you cant hide it.. its obvious they dont care…

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

YAR! Totally sucks, even BEFORE I tried it. Sounds like my 5 year old son at the dinner table.

I don’t get the problem. I read every one of those things and think to myself “All improvements”. Did I miss a memo? You people have to stop comparing yourself to other professions. If you like warrior, go play it (gratz for those that did instead of constantly QQing in this forum)

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Posted by: Dahkeus.8243

Dahkeus.8243

I didn’t see the stream, but I caught the notes here (http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1og4v2/skill_change_developer_livestream_notes/). What caught my attention was this:

Hallowed Ground – now grant stability and boon duration for any boons activated while it is active.

Between this and the buff to purging flames, it looks like a good time to be a hammer warrior in dungeons. Blasting Hallowed Ground with your hammer will now be better than ever for might stacking.

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Posted by: Oxxy.7068

Oxxy.7068

I didn’t see the stream, but I caught the notes here (http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1og4v2/skill_change_developer_livestream_notes/). What caught my attention was this:

Hallowed Ground – now grant stability and boon duration for any boons activated while it is active.

Between this and the buff to purging flames, it looks like a good time to be a hammer warrior in dungeons. Blasting Hallowed Ground with your hammer will now be better than ever for might stacking.

You can blast stuff with your banners instead of using a sub-par weapon.

On a side note, i’m fine with these buffs, it is great for PvE and ok for sPvP imo, i’m not a big fan of the fury up-time though, it seems a bit low.

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Posted by: Storm.3952

Storm.3952

Hallowed ground gets a buff, as well as Purging flames? Happy Charrdian.

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Posted by: Guanglai Kangyi.4318

Guanglai Kangyi.4318

Warriors are getting nerfs tomorrow if the leaked patch notes are to be believed. Pretty severe ones too. Meanwhile guardians get straight buffs and people complain? Lol.

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Posted by: Tarsius.3170

Tarsius.3170

Signet of Mercy gets ground targetting. I wonder if they’ve “fixed” the cast time and CD too.

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Posted by: Crapgame.6519

Crapgame.6519

Outside the patch notes, which are sub par, notice how more and more of the regulars in “this” forum have seemed to go “poof”? I mean, we had a pretty good community here but over the last month give or take a few days, its dead.

I’ve parked my Guardian and have been leveling a ranger and warrior. Ascended gear bugs me to no end. No incentives to WvW outside a zerg. New map points and bloodlust are fun, but no rewards for players controlling them. Now lack luster patch notes, well, time to go catch up on some console games I guess…

Are the developers this out of touch from our community or do they honestly believe other classes need more help?

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Posted by: Exedore.6320

Exedore.6320

I’m not sure I like the Purging Flames change. If they removed the condition cleanse on entering/exiting, I’d say it’s worse than before. 20% condition duration reduction is laughable compared to being able to drop all conditions by strafing back and forth.

Hallowed Ground change will be interesting, though I still think the cooldown is a bit too high.

As for warriors, as soon as Healing Signet is reduced to a reasonable value, they’ll flock to the next Flavor of the Month profession.

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Posted by: George Steel.1804

George Steel.1804

ANet really screwed up. Focused mind should be introducing cripple into the Guardian’s aresenal, especially since meditations are supposed to be an offensive-focused gameplay set.

Fury? Lol. I’ll just drag my feet while every other class with perma-swiftness or move signets kites me around. But dat fury tho.. well, at least now that’ll get hit by corrupt boon, too.

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Posted by: Mightymealworm.8409

Mightymealworm.8409

Warriors are getting nerfs tomorrow if the leaked patch notes are to be believed. Pretty severe ones too. Meanwhile guardians get straight buffs and people complain? Lol.

Pure of voice fix is going to hit us harder than para sigil fix.

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Posted by: AgentChaos.4932

AgentChaos.4932

pure of voice nerf is going to suck hard balls. too bad im too invest in my guard to play another class :’(

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Posted by: Yaki.9563

Yaki.9563

25% more heals and considerably better scaling with healing power. So basically we are talking about 7k burst aoe heal while removing conditions (rune of soldier) for my warrior. Combine that with 500 passive regen.

Your healing power warrior is useless anyway so congrats on being slightly less useless.

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Posted by: Yaki.9563

Yaki.9563

You hit the nail on the head…. why pick a guardian for support.. ohh a couple of cheesy abilities which you can really go without. While bring a warrior and wow now Warriors get more use out of heal gear then Guardians…. wow and Like I said before.. just watch the video and see how excited the devs were while talking warrior.. and see how dead they were when talking about guardians… you cant hide it.. its obvious they dont care…

My god. You seriously think Warriors get more out of heal gear than Guardians? They only have one heal that affects the group. Selfless Daring alone gives Guardians more effect from their heal power than Warriors…1500+ heal on kitten cooldown kitten . Then add in the regen, the symbols, the mace heal, VoR passive and active, staff Empower, staff orb…. you can’t possibly be serious in your comments.

Any warrior who goes healing power is completely gimping himself.

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Posted by: Stx.4857

Stx.4857

Funny. Looks a bit like some kind of mirror image to this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-play-anything-besides-guardian/first

LOL sorry but read it and they are just being stupid. Passive healing… warrior wins… shout heals now heal for a great amount for a aoe. Great buffs with banners. Higher health pool to take advantage of the best passive healing in game! Best burst dps in game. Condition spec is super dangerous.

Guardians have protetion.. which is only up a very small % of the time.. I will take a passive 400hps heal with no healing over our protection.

If more was comming to guardians they would have talked about it in the pod cast but they were so illiterate about guardians one of the skills they buffed they couldn’t even find it….

It is obvious the devs dont care and are just plain ignoring guardian problems.. just wish I would have known that guardians would be the forgotten class (ever game ends up with 1 class that is obvious the black sheep no dev cares about) so I could have put all my time into making gear and farming gear for my Warrior. But hey after having to play 2 x as hard to keep a guardian competitive I feel like I am on easy mode when I play my warrior who is less equip t.

I can sympathize with your feelings that warriors outclass you(warriors seem to be A-Nets golden child), but you have to stop with the QQ about guardians being useless. They are still a required class in every aspect of the game.

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Posted by: Redscope.6215

Redscope.6215

Funny. Looks a bit like some kind of mirror image to this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-play-anything-besides-guardian/first

LOL sorry but read it and they are just being stupid. Passive healing… warrior wins… shout heals now heal for a great amount for a aoe. Great buffs with banners. Higher health pool to take advantage of the best passive healing in game! Best burst dps in game. Condition spec is super dangerous.

Guardians have protetion.. which is only up a very small % of the time.. I will take a passive 400hps heal with no healing over our protection.

If more was comming to guardians they would have talked about it in the pod cast but they were so illiterate about guardians one of the skills they buffed they couldn’t even find it….

It is obvious the devs dont care and are just plain ignoring guardian problems.. just wish I would have known that guardians would be the forgotten class (ever game ends up with 1 class that is obvious the black sheep no dev cares about) so I could have put all my time into making gear and farming gear for my Warrior. But hey after having to play 2 x as hard to keep a guardian competitive I feel like I am on easy mode when I play my warrior who is less equip t.

I can sympathize with your feelings that warriors outclass you(warriors seem to be A-Nets golden child), but you have to stop with the QQ about guardians being useless. They are still a required class in every aspect of the game.

They’re not required, they’re playable. There’s a big difference. You don’t require a guardian to complete dungeons. No one class is required in PvE. Some classes are sought after in WvW for one or two skills that can tip a battle in your favor. Veil anyone? That doesn’t mean it’s required. It also doesn’t mean that people want to play a ‘bot’ class that’s only good for one or two specific things.

Guardians are being shafted atm. They suffered from new player syndrome. They are the easiest class to bunker and dominate on against new players and therefore got little-to-no attention with trait/skill revamps. Play against someone who knows their options and has a solid build and you’re done. The only thing you can hope for is to either be a PvE-hero or play sPvP and cover points until your allies arrive.

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Posted by: Christos de Soufre.3802

Christos de Soufre.3802

Please run 20 people with no Guardians against another 20 with Guardians in WvW. Report back with your findings. Video is not required but preferred.

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Posted by: coglin.1867

coglin.1867

Wow, guardians get buffs and you guys cry. This is down right pathetic. Some of you need to get off your duffs and play a profession that takes skill to accomplish what guardians can face role. You guardians and warriors have no idea how good you have it. Reading this thread is like dealing with my kids. 1 has a birthday and gets a gift and the other 4 act like jerks because they didn’t get anything. Every last one of you complainers need the same thing my kids get.

“Honey, bring me my belt so I can tend to these spoiled brats”

A video on what weak PvPer’s and WvWer’s want.
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Posted by: TheGuy.3568

TheGuy.3568

Warriors are getting nerfs tomorrow if the leaked patch notes are to be believed. Pretty severe ones too. Meanwhile guardians get straight buffs and people complain? Lol.

Sigh….likely because the proposed nerfs will not be enough to even a anything out. Just because you see a nerf doesn’t mean things are getting balanced. It isn’t a +1 -1 column. The nerfs actually have to have a major impact. If not it does not mean a thing. The short sighted view of many players is that simply receiving a nerf means things are “OK”. With that same logikittentle buffs are often perceived the same as nerfs. This is the stupidity of many players. Instead of considering the quality of each buff and each nerf they simply look at the quantity.

the other issue is that some things are OP but because certain players only evaluate a win or a loss.They use the logic that they should always win. Thus, we see “whine” threads, and “If you can’t beat X you suck” threads that do not have kitten to do with balance. ATM warrior for example has the best access to debilitating cc (ie stuns, knockdowns, knockbacks, etc) and the best consistent and lasting access to stability in the game. They can run this build without making major sacrifices to condition management, burst DPS, mobility and physical mitigation. Nerf anyone of those things and some players will scream bloody murder that it is not fair. In their eyes as long as another class got any buff in the same patch. Even if it is to an unused line or skill where the buff wont even make it valuable enough to use.

That is the reality of the situation. So no matter the buff we get tomorrow unless they are insanely good I doubt you will see many change in the meta.

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@coglin People who threaten to beat people over the internet……you know what forget it. It is just a kittening game and this is just the forums.

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Posted by: Oxxy.7068

Oxxy.7068

Wow, guardians get buffs and you guys cry. This is down right pathetic. Some of you need to get off your duffs and play a profession that takes skill to accomplish what guardians can face role. You guardians and warriors have no idea how good you have it. Reading this thread is like dealing with my kids. 1 has a birthday and gets a gift and the other 4 act like jerks because they didn’t get anything. Every last one of you complainers need the same thing my kids get.

“Honey, bring me my belt so I can tend to these spoiled brats”

You must be an awful father.

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Posted by: Crapgame.6519

Crapgame.6519

Please run 20 people with no Guardians against another 20 with Guardians in WvW. Report back with your findings. Video is not required but preferred.

While I tend to agree with you, Guardians are pretty easy to spot in a zerg. Focus fire wins the day. I know you are aware of this but I was just playing devils advocate for a quick second. I won’t even go into condition bull larky that is flying around with two or more masses collide

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Posted by: Stx.4857

Stx.4857

Funny. Looks a bit like some kind of mirror image to this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-play-anything-besides-guardian/first

LOL sorry but read it and they are just being stupid. Passive healing… warrior wins… shout heals now heal for a great amount for a aoe. Great buffs with banners. Higher health pool to take advantage of the best passive healing in game! Best burst dps in game. Condition spec is super dangerous.

Guardians have protetion.. which is only up a very small % of the time.. I will take a passive 400hps heal with no healing over our protection.

If more was comming to guardians they would have talked about it in the pod cast but they were so illiterate about guardians one of the skills they buffed they couldn’t even find it….

It is obvious the devs dont care and are just plain ignoring guardian problems.. just wish I would have known that guardians would be the forgotten class (ever game ends up with 1 class that is obvious the black sheep no dev cares about) so I could have put all my time into making gear and farming gear for my Warrior. But hey after having to play 2 x as hard to keep a guardian competitive I feel like I am on easy mode when I play my warrior who is less equip t.

I can sympathize with your feelings that warriors outclass you(warriors seem to be A-Nets golden child), but you have to stop with the QQ about guardians being useless. They are still a required class in every aspect of the game.

They’re not required, they’re playable. There’s a big difference. You don’t require a guardian to complete dungeons. No one class is required in PvE. Some classes are sought after in WvW for one or two skills that can tip a battle in your favor. Veil anyone? That doesn’t mean it’s required. It also doesn’t mean that people want to play a ‘bot’ class that’s only good for one or two specific things.

Guardians are being shafted atm. They suffered from new player syndrome. They are the easiest class to bunker and dominate on against new players and therefore got little-to-no attention with trait/skill revamps. Play against someone who knows their options and has a solid build and you’re done. The only thing you can hope for is to either be a PvE-hero or play sPvP and cover points until your allies arrive.

I don’t believe you. It is widely known that Guardians bring excellent support and utility for PvE, while also providing above average dps. Every spvp tournament I have ever seen featured 1-2 guardians per team. There are tons of them in wvw not only for spreading boons and healing.

I am not saying you are the best class in the game or anything, but to say guardians suck is complete hilarity. Try playing a Necro or ranger in pve, now that is what i would call being shafted.

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Posted by: Zackie.8923

Zackie.8923

come on man, make hammer 4 aoe banish

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Posted by: akamon.2769

akamon.2769

it’s not like they said this is the last patch Guardians will EVER get..

play your warrior until they you feel the Guardian is in a good place again if it’s really that bad. or play both. or play what makes you happy.

even through this meta that is supposedly anti-Guardian, many of us are still sticking with ’em.

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Posted by: Shukay.3728

Shukay.3728

I think that this patch is not to be thrown away but there are still details that would have to say ..

Increasingly promotes the fact that Anet would like to build more affordable for all classes, and just this side even for DPS guardian who has easier access to meditations (enough to make a change to the maximum traits), the latest and greatest tank is buffata was perhaps the idea of ??making more use of the consecrations but if this can work in dungeons or pvp, I do not see how it can help in WVW, where you need more mobility and therefore you can not take full advantage of the game of consecration.

Obviously I do not want you unleashing the usual fuss of the type:

  • AH is useless
  • Do not need anything to play tank

People play what they want then forget it.

I think the keeper should have had access to more mobility so you can begin to make a paragon warrior with ok because the guardian has utility and gives various types of boons but you can compare the moves of movement with those of the warrior …

The side Banish acceptable in comparison by the skill of the warrior was the fact that you could cast Banish in movement. Now there’s just no comparison more.

my fear is the guardian was created a little too much with the idea of ??mage – warrior.

For goodness sake the guardian has an endless kitten nal of utilities but they are really necessary ?
Especially with the current meta the only thing you really need to do is dps .

We know that the guardian may move in that side but no one notices how have life too hard in that aspect ? as if it hadn’t been designed for that role. Surely it must and can have access to being DPS but it seems that in that side should be a passive spectator.. the mate for a warrior .

the factor of how much is easily create certain build for certain classes which makes me think more and more that the guardian is a mage with heavy armor , and not a “Paladin” .

P.S. I repeat I do not want to be formed fuss so I just wanted to point out the fact that even as the version for the DPS warrior is thus facilitated , however, while the guardian should lose those bonus stats of traits.

P.P.S. yes, the guardian has received a buff either version bunker, which in the DPS build but in the end were not resolved certain issues such as mobility, etc. … While other classes instead as has been shown, have been improved where they had their problems, not all … but something yes.. I only hope that PoV will not be fixed, but officially upgraded.

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Posted by: roachsrealm.9284

roachsrealm.9284

Im happy with the changes we know about so far. Still a great class to play.

Just wish they’d give us a longbow or something.

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Posted by: AndrewSX.3794

AndrewSX.3794

Warriors are getting nerfs tomorrow if the leaked patch notes are to be believed. Pretty severe ones too. Meanwhile guardians get straight buffs and people complain? Lol.

I’d wait actual patch notes.

Pre patch preview/leak madness is never healthy.

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Posted by: Relentliss.2170

Relentliss.2170

I would like to be brought up on par with Warriors in all areas of the game. Since they went to such bother to bring warriors more group support. More health, damage, CC and mobility seem to be a reasonable request.

We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional

Anet lied (where’s the Manifesto now?)

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Posted by: AndrewSX.3794

AndrewSX.3794

The right question is: should balance focus on getting all profession to a level allowing them to compete with Warriors in the various game modes, or it’s Warriors getting too much stuff?

Because if there’s a class to pick as meter for balance….that’s NOT the Warrior, imo.

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Most used: Guard/Mes/War/Nec/Ele.
Yes, i use 5 chars at time. Because REASONS.

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Posted by: ArchonWing.9480

ArchonWing.9480

Wow, guardians get buffs and you guys cry. This is down right pathetic. Some of you need to get off your duffs and play a profession that takes skill to accomplish what guardians can face role. You guardians and warriors have no idea how good you have it. Reading this thread is like dealing with my kids. 1 has a birthday and gets a gift and the other 4 act like jerks because they didn’t get anything

This is pretty true. I mained a necro before they got all those buffs and they were pretty awful in pve. When I rolled a guardian I was like “lol wut is dis?” I find it hilarious that people say there’s necro bias when they were bottom tier for about 9 months or so. Come some more time and the necro’s in a good spot, so give it some time. Balance isn’t something you can create with the snap of a finger.

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for there you have been and there you will long to return.

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Posted by: Oxxy.7068

Oxxy.7068

Necro is still the worst class at pve, and it is no secret that anet balances this game based on sPvP, not PvE or WvW. And necros are pretty strong at sPvP.

As for guardians, I’d be happy if anet made some sort of soft cc (think cripple) avaiable for us to make our damage easier to “land” since we have no real access to conditions.

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Posted by: Deathmond.7328

Deathmond.7328

Our complication that we still have useless weapons(sword and shield)and utility skills(spirit weapons and signets) in WvWvW. And this stupid feel that if you want to be a team player and good player in your static\guild etc. you need to play with GS\STaff|Hammer…maybe mace+focus and use shouts+one consecration or meditation for solo or roaming. So we play in this builds one year ago…and Anet says to us “go on…love this gameplay and forgot about your profession others skills and weapons”

So…Yeah…I am angry!

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Posted by: TheGuy.3568

TheGuy.3568

Our complication that we still have useless weapons(sword and shield)and utility skills(spirit weapons and signets) in WvWvW. And this stupid feel that if you want to be a team player and good player in your static\guild etc. you need to play with GS\STaff|Hammer…maybe mace+focus and use shouts+one consecration or meditation for solo or roaming. So we play in this builds one year ago…and Anet says to us “go on…love this gameplay and forgot about your profession others skills and weapons”

So…Yeah…I am angry!

Sword…..useless….lol

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